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Warren gambling big with Khan

Ben Dirs | 18:30 UK time, Wednesday, 11 March 2009

Frank Warren's sickness following a recent visit to The Fat Duck restaurant in Bray will be as nothing next to the feeling he'll have in the pit of his stomach if Amir Khan comes unstuck against Marco Antonio Barrera on Saturday.

For while Warren and hundreds of other diners were laid low by an as yet unknown assailant lurking within Heston Blumenthal's kitchen, Khan's promoter will only have himself to blame if Barrera does a number on his boy in Manchester: Barrera's ability to induce guts ache is hardly a mystery.

Make no mistake, pitting the 22-year-old Bolton lightweight against Mexican legend Barrera is a significant punt on the part of Warren, usually so cautious, in match-making if not culinary terms.

The 35-year-old Barrera joined the paid ranks in 1989 at the age of 15 (when Khan was not yet three) and has won 65 of 71 pro encounters, winning world titles at three different weights and engaging in 24 world title fights.

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To British fans he is most famous for his schooling of Naseem Hamed in Las Vegas eight years ago. Hamed, the bombast sucked out of him, had just one more fight before hanging them up, kicking back and getting prematurely fat.

Barrera doesn't lose to novice upstarts, he loses to other great fighters: American Junior Jones beat him twice in 1996 and 1997, great rival Erik Morales beat him in 2000 (although Barrera subsequently beat Morales twice), Filipino superstar Manny Pacquiao beat him in 2003 and 2007, and Mexican Juan Manuel Marquez also beat him in 2007.

But after 'retiring' following his demolition by Pacquiao in 2007, Barrera has looked pretty ordinary in his last two fights against journeymen opponents (his last opponent, Freudis Rojas, had one win from nine fights).

Clearly, Warren's scouts have reported back with the word that Barrera is shot - if not completely, then just shot enough that Khan can beat him.

And Khan's trainer Freddie Roach, who admits he had to think long and hard about taking the fight when it was offered by Warren, agrees it is taking place at the "perfect time".

"It's the 22-year-old kid against the 35-year-old veteran," said Roach. "Barrera's best was at 122 and 126lb, Amir is a big 135-pounder and has athleticism, speed, everything. Barrera can't mix it up any more and we're going to knock him out."

Khan joined Roach's legendary Wild Card Gym following his stunning knockout defeat to Colombia's Breidis Prescott last September, and Roach believes sharing the ring with a fighter of Pacquiao's calibre has been highly beneficial.

"Amir reminds me a lot of Manny Pacquiao," says Roach. "I remember Manny getting knocked out early in his career and everyone writing him off, but he rebounded and became a world champion.

"I brought Amir to the Wild Card Gym to be with Manny and sparring together has built Amir's confidence. If he can do as well as he's done against Manny, he can do as well against anybody.

"He made a young man's mistake against Prescott, going for the knockout, and he got caught. But Amir is perfecting his defence and has come a long way since his first fight with me [against Oisin Fagan last December]."

Khan has his critics - they're legion on this website's 606 messageboards - but he should at least be given credit for breaking free of the cotton wool and setting up shop in the school of hard knocks that is Roach's Hollywood gym.

"I've got the speed, I've got the power and I've got the height advantage," says Khan. "And I've got the fitness to do the full 12 rounds at a high work rate that Barrera can't handle.

"The criticism is always going to be there, no matter what. So this is the fight I need to stop the criticism and shut a lot of people up. And that's what I'm going to do."

If Khan uses his physical advantages, demonstrates patience and fights Barrera at long range, then he could bring down the curtain on a great career and catapult himself into world title contention.

But if Barrera's not as shot as many people assume he is, Khan, in Roach's own words, might need to "think about doing something else". As for Warren, he'll be lumbered with more of a Fat Duck than a golden goose.

Comments

  • Comment number 1.

    Even if Barrera is 'shot' this is a HUGE gamble for Khan but fair play to the kid for taking the fight. I for one will NOT be paying the rip off 'Sky Box Office' money to watch it but wish him the best of luck.

  • Comment number 2.

    Amir Khan has got no chin and you can't practice or train on account of that. Khan may well win here but if Barrerra is as shot at as Khan and Warren hope, what's the point in fightnig him in the first place? What will victory prove?
    With all the heart and determination in the World, Khan will always have a brittle chin and I don't see that he will ever become a World Champion. Sorry Amir but good luck anyway.

  • Comment number 3.

    the only reason i belive this fight was taken was because amir lost his first fight on sky and therefore viewers needed A REALLY GOOD REASON to buy his 2nd fight hence the matchup with barrerra

    also this fight was taken on because warren knows something we might not know. that BARRERRA IS GONE AND WONT HAVE ANY CHANCE IN THE FIGHT

    this i belive is why this fight has made. warren isnt that stupid to put amir up against a boxing legend like barrerra. he obviously knows amir will have a 70-80% of winning. also this will get the critics off his back about the sky ppv deal.

  • Comment number 4.

    Both fighters are no where near the best.

    Barrera is passed it. Not shot mind, but passed it.

    Amir is no where near the finished product, and on the learning curve.

    Would be better for boxing if Khan wins, and i personally would like to see him win, but i think Barrera's experience will get him the win

  • Comment number 5.

    Dont argue with me: You are spot on, i was saying exactly the same thing to a friend, this fight was made cos Khan did so terribly in his very first fight on sky box office and it would have had a massive efect on how many people are willing to shell out 15 quid every time he fights. Personally, i think it is disgusting how sky have Khan on box office. They expect us to pay 15 quid a time to watch a boxer who, in my opinion, has done nothing of note and proved nothing since he won his silver medal almost 5 years ago. I dont have a problem with it when you are paying to watch an established, world champion like Hatton but with khan it is just a blatant rip off and it has really affected my opinion of not just Khan but mainly Frank Warren and Sky. I suppose you can't really blame Amir for taking the best financial offer for him, anybody would do so. As for this fight, i am quite looking forward to seeing what happens, at first i thought Barerra would have too much for Khan but as time is passing i am starting to fancys Amirs chances more and more, especially after seeing the size difference at te weigh in.

    Good article by the way Ben.

  • Comment number 6.

    "Amir Khan has got no chin and you can't practice or train on account of that. "

    wrong wrong wrong... ah and stupid.

    Plenty of world class boxers have taken a knockout punch. It doesn't mean they have no chin. Lennox Lewis was knocked clean out by the fairly middle of the road Hassim Rahman. did that mean he was chinny? Pac man was KO'd in his 12th fight, round 3... does that mean he's chinny? Boxing is about attack and defence. If you don't defend you can get knocked out. ALL human beings are chinny to the right punch if their defence isn't up to scratch, but with training and experience you can mitigate the chances. Head movement is a large part of this. Khans trainer, and he himself will be acutely aware that this is an area he has to work on.

    The "Khan's chinny" argument is just an easy thing to trot out by those who don't really know what they're talking about, because everyone else is saying it, but all it really shows is that you don't know a great deal about boxing. Khan may get smacked out again, and if so it's because he's not learned from his mistakes, which is entirely possible, but it's also possible to mitigate "chinniness". Anyone who sticks their chin out in the middle of a fight is liable to get it punched, and that will, with sufficient force, knock an elephant out. From the sounds of things, he's been working on exactly that aspect of his defence. We'll see tomorrow.

  • Comment number 7.

    scottydog/don't argue with me - you may well be right, I don't think there's any chance this fight would be happening had Khan not been ironed out in such dramatic fashion by Prescott. I think it's very much last chance saloon stuff from Warren. And I agree that it's not ideal that people are being asked to shell out 15 quid to watch a largely unproven fighter like Khan in action. To be honest, reading the comments on the 606 messageboards, and judging by the booing of James DeGale a couple of weeks ago, I don't think it does either the fighters or the promoters any favours cranking up the hype so early. It only succeeds in putting people's noses out of joint. As a friend texted me to say after watching the DeGale card, "anyone would think these boys were world champions judging by their entrances".

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  • Comment number 10.

    Khan may not be chinny but he has limited punch resistance as even Willie Limmond proved. A better defence will undoubtedly improve his chances and Roach is arguably the best trainer out there so Khan has done something right in his career. The Pacquiao factor may also come into play as theres no better way for Khan to improve than being in with the best on a regular basis even if it is sparring.
    As for hype, I don't mind when that when a fighter has proved himself a champion, but the current crop of british fighters are being hailed as boxing heros too early in their career. As for who'll win on Saturday, I go for Khan only because of his speed and weight advantage. Barrera is a favourite of mine so I won't mind if he manages to go to the well one more time. Either way it should be an exciting fight.

  • Comment number 11.

    I'm glad i'll be out Saturday night so i'm not tempted to buy the fight on Sky BO. Joke they're charging £15 for this, its not even a title fight!

    Personally I hope Amir shows people that he's learnt from his mistakes and that he's serious about progressing as far as he can in the lightweight division. After watching Diaz v Marquez the other week though you do question just how far he can go. He's certainly got an awful lot to learn still and I think its disappointing he's talking about world title's again already. Being the best isn't just about winning titles, its about learning as much as you can from each fight till you get to the point where you're a match for anyone. All Khan seems to care about is the glitz and glamour rather than becoming the best. Admittedly he's better than he was and maybe a lot of it can be put down to youth, I mean at least he's gone to work with one of the best in Freddie Roach. I just hope that it isn't all hot air that's coming out of their camp and he really has learnt a few things. Otherwise after Saturday night Khan fights could become similar to the circus that's followed Audley Harrison's career.

    P.s. does anyone know if Audley has actually retired now or is he still saying he's going to be World Champion by the end of the year?

  • Comment number 12.

    I've been watching all the video clips and reading all the comments in the run up to this fight and whilst most of it is just hype and promoters trying to sell you their product, i do think Amir is looking very good.
    All the crap aside, he is an excellent athlete, hugely committed and single minded in his goals. These are characteristics of all exceptional sportsmen......Jonny Wilkinson, Tiger Woods, Roger Federer. They all show an almost unnatural committment to what they do and by the sounds of things so does Amir.
    Amir has clearly got a huge amount of boxing ability and a good mind for it. My favourite example is an unbelievable knockout punch against Medjadji and lets not forget he is still very young.
    My only doubt is of course his chin. It isn't the best and if he ever fights a marquez or Pac-man it might just get exposed. However that punch from Prescott was a hammer blow that Amir walked into. I think a lot of fighters would of gone down after that and defensively Amir didn't know what to do then. The Chin is an issue but there are other good fighters out there who have the same problem but have won titles (Calzage, Haye to name a couple of brits)

    My Money is on Khan for this one. I'm hoping for a 9th or 10th round knockout. Good length fight, good test for khan and hopefully a good finish!!

  • Comment number 13.

    I think Amir khan is "chinny". To compare him to Lennox lewis is crazy. Lewis was KO'd by a 16 stone heavyweight who was considered good enough to fight for the undisputed heavyweight championship, 9 out of 10 people will go down from that. So far in his career Khan has been floored by Limond, Gomez and Prescott almost took his jaw off it's hinges. These fighters are not and never have been thought of as world class yet they still dropped him. I do agree that some of it comes down to defense and technique and if this improves Khan definitely stands a better chance. However, it is plain to see that when he does get hit, he doesn't have a very high punch resistance AT ALL. Compare him to the current lightweight king Marquez and you will see what i mean, he took LOADS of massive shots flush in the face from Diaz but just walked through them to go on and win.

  • Comment number 14.

    fjsm33 - Can't agree to be honest. Of course some fighters are chinny, it's daft to suggest otherwise. No doubt, there are things Khan can do, tightening up his defence for a start, but it wasn't really the knockout punch that worried me against Prescott, it was the jab that stiffened Khan up a few seconds before. Plus his knockdown against Willie Limond, and against Michael Gomez. Yes, Lennox Lewis got knocked out, but as someone pointed out, he was defending his undisputed heavyweight crown when it happened, not fighting against a complete unknown.

  • Comment number 15.

    why the comments been deleted ben???

  • Comment number 16.

    I'm hoping Amir loses to be honest as I completely disagree with an unproven chinny (Khan is chinny, make no bones about it as being floored heavily by the pillowfisted Limond shows) prospect being put on PPV.

    If Barrera is even half the fighter he was, a victory should be assured but if he's too far gone Amir should be able to oupoint him. Too much is being made of the fact that Barrera went the distance with Pac/Marquez one and a half to two years ago. He retired after that and since coming out of that retirement has fought 2 no marks so we can't accurately assess how much he has left in the tank.

    As for the people booing Degale, I was led to believe that it was predominantly the Irish contingent producing the boos, although it wouldn't surprise me if many Brits joined in as he is far too cocky for somone who has just turned pro.

  • Comment number 17.

    Don't Argue With Me - sorry mate, I can only imagine the mods got a bit twitchy about some of your suggestions... you can never be too careful where boxing promoters are concerned...

  • Comment number 18.

    ok mate thats cool )

    lol but im sure don king and warren have got better things to do than to trawl through bbc blogs. but you never know...

  • Comment number 19.

    I was watching the Prescott KO this morning and have to agree Ben. The jab 5 - 10 secs before started it all. I'm not sure whether it rocked him or just scared him, but he didn't like it and should have taken the count then, and composed. Calzaghe was caught with similar blows in his last 2 fights which obviously hurt like hell but not sure if they were concussive. He had the experience to gather his senses and come back rather than landing an immediate KO response as Khan did.

    Good luck to Amir on Saturday. I think he gets bad press on the back of Fraudley and Warren's over hype but he's a great boxer and hopefully will go on to great things.

  • Comment number 20.

    I can see why some think a Khan victory would be good for boxing but if this steers Khan into a world title shot he will eventually have to face a live opponent and he will get hit on the chin, hard! The only way he could possibly avoid this is to develop a Mayweather-esque defensive style but even then there's still a chance that he'll get tagged.

  • Comment number 21.

    Scotty - I agree to compare Amir to Lewis is crazy. Lewis was knocked spark out twice - so you are right, Amir was knocked out by somebody the same size and Lewis by heavyweights two stone lighter.
    Lewis was 'chinny' and more than once proves it. Khan may be 'chinny' - we don't know yet, but let's see and give him a chance.

  • Comment number 22.

    Enanjay, Lennox was far from chinny. Yes he was Ko'd twice against genuine heavyweights but he also defeated them in rematches. Funnily enough Khan has been kept away from Prescott, I wonder why? Watch this clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4SQmxIP5Bk and you'll see that Lewis took some bombs in his career.

  • Comment number 23.

    This can go two ways... one is that Khan wins the fight & everyone will then agree that barrera is "shot" & therefore the win proves nothing! & the other is that Khan gets ko'd (again) & that will pretty much end him, because if barrera is shot then what chance has Khan got against someone in the form of their life!

    Silly choice, congratulations Mr Warren & Mr Roach... Amir Khan's career could well be over thanks to your choice! i hope it isn't though!

  • Comment number 24.

    Wow, did I actually read some guy say that Khan wasn't chinny? Chinny is being wobbled by jabs, as seen in the Prescott fight. And he's been wobbled by light punchers as well, who just weren't good enough to follow up.

    To compare that lack of punch resistance to the likes of Lewis or Pacquaio being knocked-out is about the most ridiculous comparison I've read on the boxing boards. These guys are not 'chinny' - they got knocked out by punchers with power, not by powderpuff punchers.

    Of course, if a boxer is good enough to avoid being punched in the head then he might even go far if his other skills are evident. However, at world level, how realistic is that of say, Khan fighting Marquez, Diaz, and alike? The answer is none.

    With Barrera, there's a chance because of the height and reach advantages, for a start. And really with other disadvantages that Barrera has, it's not going to be easy. But, if that's the case, just what will this show anyone who isn't on the Warren-Khan hype train? If Khan wins easily, he fought a shot fighter with a name - not skill. So, what's the point? If he wins in a competitive match, then I'm a bit more convinced - maybe not greatly, but I'll be convinced he still has potential.

    So, all in all, an intriguing fight with many questions. I'll be watching with interest. I favour Barrera to win, if he brings even a little of the skill he's shown many times before, but if Khan can jab and move all night, I expect Khan to get the decision.


  • Comment number 25.

    Enanjay, i cannot believe that you can say that we don't yet know if Amir Khan is chinny yet suggest that Lennox Lewis was!!!! The very name of the HEAVYWEIGHT division gives a clue that in this division, whether you are heavier or lighter than your opponent, your punches are gonna have some heavy weight behind them. Hasim Rahman was about 16 stone when he KO'd Lewis. When a bloke that big connects properly it doesn't matter who he hits, 99% of people will go down. In that fight it's more plausible to accuse Lewis of unprofessionalism due to the fact he seemed to cut corners on his training etc rather than being chinny. As for the Mcall fight, he was up at 6 but it was then waved off, who's to say whether he would have regained his senses or not???

    Now compare those 2 single incidents, which happened in world title fights in a 44 fight HEAVYWEIGHT career to Amir Khan who in his 20 fight career at lightweight has been sent to the canvas by fighters such as Drilzane, Limond, Gomez and Prescott. These fighters don't throw with the same power as a heavyweight and i think we can safely guarantee they will never be world champions so i don't see how you or anyone else can say that Amir Khan is not "chinny"??? The evidence is there for us all to see and anyone who thinks otherwise must see boxing in a totally different light to me???

    Don't get me wrong though, i would like to see Khan win and go on to become a world champion. He is a big hope for british boxing IF he can sort out his defence and with Freddie Roach on board, i think he has the best man for the job so good luck to him for Saturday night.

  • Comment number 26.

    OK, so Khan is "chinny" in that he put his chin in the way of a punch (or several punches) that he shouldn't have put his chin in the way of. I still maintain though that this is not so much a "natural" state of being, but is something that you can work to avoid and mitigate. The heavyweight argument with regard to Lewis doesn't stand up to scrutiny, heavyweights are put in with heavyweights. Pound for pound, it's the same thing, you're being knocked out by someone in the same weight category as you. If you go rushing in with your chin in the air and an over inflated sense of self belief, that'll make you more "chinny" than you would otherwise be. Taking flush shots to the face is not the same as taking a shot on the chin. Physiologically you can take 1000 on the nose or forehead, cheeks or eyes and they won't knock you out. Avoid being hit on the chin and you stop being chinny.

  • Comment number 27.

    fjsm33 - you find it hard to admit when you're wrong don't you. You can be knocked out on the forehead and other places and to say you can physiologically take 1000 on these places and not be sounds like someone who is talking BS and hoping everyone is so ignoprant they accept what you say because you use big words. Kahn is chinny, Lewis was not, re-read all the comments above and if you still think kahn isn't chinny you should maybe go back to school and learn the English language again.

  • Comment number 28.

    But just cos you weigh more doesn't automatically mean that you can take a punch any better, only that your punches are gonna be naturally harder than people lighter than yourself. I dont think that just because your body is bigger it means you can take a bigger punch.

    The argument isn't about the fact that Khan put his chin out to be hit. It's about the fact that when he did get hit he went over. It's just stating the obvious to say that if you don't hold your chin out you won't get hit as much but the fact is when s fighter is challenging or defending a world title, he is gonna take a few to the chin, however good his defence is. If he can't take those shots then he is gonna be in serious trouble. Simple as that so while Khan maybe able to lessen the shots landing by working hard in the gym, he will NEVER be able to change the fact that when he gets hit it hurts him more than it does to most of the fighters that operate at the level he aspires to be at.

  • Comment number 29.

    Monkeynutz. Maybe so, but at least I only give my opinions about what we're talking about. Don't generally see the need to get personal with people I don't know. It's just a debate kid.

  • Comment number 30.

    I'm also not so ignorant that I'd put the letter "p" in the word ignorant while advising someone else to relearn English.

  • Comment number 31.

    I am disgusted how Sky can put Khan of PPV box office at £15 a fight to watch, when this guy has done very little in his proffesional career. I for one would not pay it, and its the reason why i will not even suscribe to sky. Its a rip off!!

    The simple fact is Khan has been put on his backside by very ordinery and limited fighters i.e. Willie Limond, Gomez etc. If Barrera has 60-70% left in the tank he will KO Khan cause of his glass jaw.

  • Comment number 32.

    I'm also not so ignorant that I'd put the letter "p" in the word ignorant while advising someone else to relearn English.

    Excellent comeback!!

  • Comment number 33.

    Oi Oi, put your handbags away fellas! What about the other fights? Cook looks like he might have his work cut out, while Pryce v Hall could be a corker.

  • Comment number 34.

    Barrera's days are well and truly gone. Still a great fighter. Khan has all the assets to beat a tired ol' fella with his range. Khan a big guy for his weight, and that's why it's a safe fight for Warren to match. Warren is all about the PPV deal, so the win is key, and it's a good scalp on the record of Khan, if not in real life. Khan will challenge for a WT, but either fringe, vacant(interim) or against weak opposition. Warren can't make matches - the boxing world doesn't respect him the way he makes out. He's a bad fight maker - I feel for anyone in his camp that's over 10 fights into their pro career.

  • Comment number 35.

    fjsm33 are you from the "team khan camp" which is why you're
    defending him to death.

    just admit he does have weaknesses!!

    even he admits it himself yet you seem to think he's infallible...

  • Comment number 36.

    To be fair i haven't seen Martinez so i couldn't really comment on that but he does sound confident and seems to be a come forward in your face style fighter so hopefully that will make for a good fight. I like Cook, i thought he was very impressive against Alex Arthur when he won the belt so i hope he gets the win.

    Pryce v Hall does sound like it could be explosive. I'm a fan of Pryce and i feel a little sorry for him as he never seems to have much luck out of the ring which has seemed to have an impact on his career in the ring. I enjoy watching him though, he's got good skills but he's a fairly heavy hitter. I am looking forward to the whole card to be honest, thankfully i counter the feeling of being ripped off by sky by inviting my mates round and getting a couple of quid each off them!!!

  • Comment number 37.

    "you seem to think he's infallible..."

    Wha..... ??? where did I say that? My only point is that I don't think chinniness is necessarily inherent in your makeup. People are saying "if you're chinny you're chinny", and "Khan will NEVER be able to change that" whereas I believe it can be worked on and improved in a number of ways. What's controversial about that? Doesn't mean I'm Khans no.1 fan, nor that I think he might NOT have ironed his problems out. I'm sensible enough (unlike some) to know that absolute statements like "Khan is chinny" are generally simplistic, and therefore pretty useless as a guage of what may or may not happen. We don't yet know if Khan has worked out a way to avoid or limit being knocked down.
    You may find, at the bottom of my first post the words "we'll see tomorrow". This indicates that it's tomorrow that we'll see. You see?

  • Comment number 38.

    Barrera was a fantastic fighter. His demolition of Prince Naseem was a superb performance. Although Barrera may well be over the hill he still has it in him to beat Khan. I think if Barrera wins it will be a KO. The only way Khan will win is if it goes the distance and he nicks it on points.

  • Comment number 39.

    There's no doubt that Khan can limit how much he is hit if he develops the defensive side of his game, as is the same with all boxers. the less you get hit, the less chance you have of going down. He can most definitely change that part of his make up and style. The bit he cannot change EVER, is the fact that when he does get hit hard in the chin, jaw, face or head, it hurts him and puts him down or knocks him senseless a LOT MORE than the champions in his division.

  • Comment number 40.

    "Go back to school to learn the english language"!!!!!

    ....because "Chinny" is in the dictionary is it!!!!!????

    I Kind of agree with "FJSM33" on this one. look at the calzaghe/Lacey fight. Lacey impressively took over 1000 punches in that fight. I don't care how hard Calzaghe punches, taking that many is very impressive and the reason was because lacey used his defense to stop getting hit in the Chin. If he had been hit cleanly on the chin he'd probably of gone down and that would of been it.
    Khan can learn to deal with his weaknesses. I think it is good for him to now know that he has these and can work around them.

  • Comment number 41.

    we'll find out what khan has learned training with roach, thats for sure.

    if the same khan we've seen before turns up i can't see how he can win this one, he will need to have improved his defense and his ringcraft 10 fold, barrera may not be the force he once was but he is still marco antonio barrera, and he isn't likely to get smoked inside two round by a young upstart

  • Comment number 42.

    JAMESY1873 - I think Khan will win but its 6 of one, half a dozen of another. Khan has the youth and (should) have the fitness to go the distance so the longer it goes, the more it will suit Khan. That said, Barrera will frustrate Khan therefore the longer it goes, the more it could suit Barrera.

    In my view, Khan has the speed and the power to knock Barrera out. Question is though does he have the accuracy, the temperant and the tactics to do it? Barrera has all of that plus experience.

  • Comment number 43.

    I'm in 2 minds as to whether to get this or not.

    Like WelshLegend09 and other posters, i think its disgusting that a non-tile fight involving a fighter some way below world level is headlining a pay-per-view event - for the second time. According to this website, Khan isn't even in the top 10 british pound for pound rankings!

    On the other hand there's a couple of juicy looking fights on the undercard that intrigue me.

    I hate to be ripped off though so i'm leaning toward not getting it. I'm pretty angry that this is PPV so i don't want to line Warren's pockets with my hard earned cash.

    I'm not a Khan hater by the way - i hope he wins and goes on to challenge for world titles. When (if) he gets to world level, i'll happilly shell out the £15.



  • Comment number 44.

    All the talk of chinny doesn't really matter if we are talking about Khan's punch resistance. Very early on in the Prescott fight he was wobbled by a jab that hit him in the forehead and when he was floored both times he was hit on the side of the head/face. the shot that opened him up was also right on the front of the face. So khan can stick his chin to his chest for the rest of his life if he wants to. It won't change the fact that a big punch hurts him a lot.

  • Comment number 45.

    For what it's worth, Khan is looking like the over-rated olympian hotshot just like the others who we dare'nt mention. Bit of alet down really and i can really see barrera knocking khan bandy around that ring for fun, i would like to be proven wrong but i cant see it. I too will not be paying for box office either, warren is starting to look and sound like your typical snake oil salesman. We're not mug punters frank...sort it out!!

    Peace

  • Comment number 46.

    the mannerism of khans defeat to prescott tells me barrera will find a way through eventually and when he does, hel rock khan to the canvass. past it or not, my moneys on barrera by ko 8th round

  • Comment number 47.

    in comparison to the usual crap Warren has been serving us - this is actually worth 15 pound especially as Khan Cook and Macca are all fighting

  • Comment number 48.

    Some boxers have good chins, some have bad. Unfortunately for Khan he falls into the latter category. As people have said earlier (including me) he can tighten up his defensive skills all he wants but the fact remains that when he steps up his level of competition, he will get hit cleanly at some point and he will go down as he can't take the shots. It's no coincidence that the first genuine live lightweight he faced ended up starching him in less than a minute. He doesn't like it to the body much either.

  • Comment number 49.

    Also the term 'chinny' relates to a boxers ability (or lack thereof) to take a punch to the head area, not exactly on the chin!

  • Comment number 50.

    I think one thing we should all be able to agree on is that if Barrera and Khan were both at their peak the fight wouldn't last past the first round. Khan needs a way back into the limelight and Barrera needs a couple of paydays. That's all this fight is- PPV for this is truly a joke.

  • Comment number 51.

    James that is a remarkably silly remark to make - Khan at his peak may be faster stronger and much more experienced whereas Barrera would still be smaller and as quick and powerful as he once was - he could never carry that power up to Lightweight.

  • Comment number 52.

    Now i'm confused!! We're having a big debate about Chins, being chinny and Chinnyness and nobody seems to know for sure what it means!! after all this, i'll be damned if i know!

    Go Team "Khan!!!!"

  • Comment number 53.

    Ha ha, i was just thinking that!!! From now on i am not going to use the word chinny again. i don't even like the word anyway, it sounds daft. from now on i am using the term "punch resistance" which i think you'll all agree makes us sound much more knowledgable!!! ha ha......

  • Comment number 54.

    Yes this fight is definately worth the pay per view hype, every one needs to accept Khan is chinny, thats not worth debating, the two fights before Prescott the jab during prescott and then hes demolition b4 the 55th second.
    In this fight against Barrera he has the best chance hes ever gonna get against such an opponent, hes taller, naturally heavier, faster and should have more in the tank by stamina. He also has Freddie Roach who is an expert trainer in defence and an expert on Barreras weaknesses and has sparred with the other expert Pac Man not Jr Jones.
    Now taking all these advantages into consideration against all of Barreras disadvantages, hes should be able to beat Barrera, maybe by KO even if hes truly any good.
    It doesnt matter if hes chinny, he has the reach, strength and youth in him to keep away and outbox his over the hill opponent even though his opponent has a slow chance of turning Khans lights out.
    If Barrera beats khan by KO or even more embarassingly by outpointing him (highly unlikely) Khan should take what Freddie Roach said and think of another profession, although im sure Frank Warren will find ways of capitalising on this talented but chinny fighter, but hes pay per view days should surely be over. But anyway tomorrow will tell, oooohh weeee its an exciting fight with a fantastic british undercard, cheers Frank, young talent vs experience!!

  • Comment number 55.

    If i had sky i would pay for this! It may not be a title fight but looking at the empassioned responses on here it is clearly of great interst to a lot of people.

    I think the general feeling is we want to support Khan but need a bit more convincing.

    I personally think he is still mostly potential and after Barrera (which i think he'll win) he should take on a couple of the british names.

  • Comment number 56.

    Can only beat no-hopers and old men. Boy in a man's world. We hate you Khan!

  • Comment number 57.

    Harsh! and a bit personal!

  • Comment number 58.

    I still view Khan as a boxer learning his trade and needing more experience. The hype surrounding him has not helped him in this regard but I see Berrara as a good challenge for Khan and will need every strength he has to overcome this test.

  • Comment number 59.

    "I think the general feeling is we want to support Khan but need a bit more convincing"

    Spot on mate. I am not convinced with him and i KNOW that he isn't great with the old "punch resistance" but despite all this i want to see him do well and make the most of the talents he does have and hopefully, become a world champion.

  • Comment number 60.

    "The "Khan's chinny" argument is just an easy thing to trot out by those who don't really know what they're talking about, because everyone else is saying it, but all it really shows is that you don't know a great deal about boxing. Khan may get smacked out again, and if so it's because he's not learned from his mistakes, which is entirely possible, but it's also possible to mitigate "chinniness". Anyone who sticks their chin out in the middle of a fight is liable to get it punched, and that will, with sufficient force, knock an elephant out. From the sounds of things, he's been working on exactly that aspect of his defence. We'll see tomorrow."

    To be honest from reading your post you have no idea what you are talking about. Yes anyone who gets hit by a BIG punch could go down but Khan was wobbled by JABS inside 20 SECONDS of the FIRST ROUND. Where all this guff about him going in gungho and getting caught is coming from is beyond me. He wasnt all out attack. He was standing in front of Prescott weaving, biding his time and two stiff jabs wobbled him. That is alarming whatever way you cut it. He is chinny. You cannot persuade anyone with any sense otherwise. He was badly hurt against feather puncher Limmond for goodness sake. I mean he recovered well but he was all over the place. If you watch the Prescott match again youll see the first punch which floored him wasnt even that big a punch. Marquez an Diaz traded countless of those during their fight and i didnt see them hit the deck inside a minute.

    IMO he would much better suited to moving up two weights. At the very least 1 because it may well be hes weight drained and that is effecting his punch resistance. He certainly has no hope of a world title at this weight. He would have to take on Marquez, Diaz or Prescott again and he gets KOd in everyone of those fights.

  • Comment number 61.

    Interesting debate going on here. The first point I'd like to make is that I feel the outcome of this fight depends largely on just how much Barrera has left and this we won't know until the fight itself, this for me is part of what make this fight interesting, it's always great to see whether a legendary fighter has one more great performance left in him. As for the 'chinny' debate, I don't think it's outrageous to suggest that Khan doesn't have the greatest punch resistance in the world but as fans surely we can appreciate the benefits of this, the fact that there is every chance Khan will either get knocked out or with his impressive offence knock someone out is exciting. I personally would rather not dwell on his shortcomings, he's a decent British fighter having a go. Good luck to him.

  • Comment number 62.

    Warren would appear to be making a massive risk with this fight, which poses two important questions:
    1) Does Warren know something we don't with regards to Barrera's current ability?
    2) Is Khan now yesterday's news in Warren's eyes, now that he has the lucrative olympic boys under his wing?

    I personally hope that MAB makes a good account of himself. I would hate for him to get battered around, a shadow of his former self, with Khan claiming he has beaten a legend. The fact is that MAB in any sort of form beats Khan every time and twice on Sundays.

    I also think that if Khan was to get shot at Marquez, it will be a joke of epic proportions. He will have done nothing to warrent a shot at the title and the best lightweight in the world. There are many more who have put in ring time with better opponents who deserve their shot a lot more than Khan.

    I suspect that Khan will win on Saturday, and will once again start believing his own hype. But rest assured, Marquez would destroy him, and I will be exremely happy when he does.

  • Comment number 63.

    Actually chaps, I think you'll find that the correct scientific definition of Khan's condition is not, as you all describe it, 'being chinny'. The problem with Khan is that he suffers from a common boxing disease. It's known in scientific circles as VDD. Or to give it it's full name 'Verticle Deficit Disorder'. VDD sufferers all have the same problem, they end up horizontal far too often, thus VDD.

    Glad to clear that up, always good to be of service.

    Barrera to win in 7

    LJ


  • Comment number 64.

    This is a big gamble, and whether you like it or not - it's a genuine fight. A 50-50 fight.
    Is Khan chinny ?
    Is Barrera shot ?

    For once, well done to Frank Warren on promoting an interesting show, if this was the Barrera of 3 Or 5 years ago Frank wouldn't have made the match. It's a gamble, but a gamble worth taking. But not the sort of gamble Frank usually takes.

    But why did Frank make the gamble ?, has he had enough of Khan or does he know something about Barrera ? -

    Very interesting, could be a great fight and a close one at that.

    Pay up everyone - worth the money for once.

    Enjoy it,

    Bluesguy ...

  • Comment number 65.

    First off, it's typical that this is being billed as a WBO eliminator. Says alot about how the respective bodies rank boxers i.e. one fight a guy's getting sparkoed and in 2 fights time gets a title eliminator. But anyway..!

    I think Khan will beat MAB, though only if he sticks to boxing from the outside - If he does that he wins, if MAB drags him into a war it won't last 3.

    Funny thing is, even with 3/4 more fights, could you possibly imagine Khan getting in the ring with the likes of a Juan Manuel Marquez, Nate Campbell, Juan Diaz etc?! I'm not even convinced the guy's European class. I would have much rather see MAB stay retired than trying to be the first Mexican to win titles in 4 weight classes.

    If MAB wins i'll be happy as he's one of my all time boxing heroes, i would feel bad for Khan as i do like the kid. I personally won't be betting on this one, too many questions marks - Is Khan actually as good as people think he is? If he gets hit will he remain upright? Is MAB shot? Can MAB be effective against a big lightweight?

    To the PPV haters - Have a look at the undercard guys - Enzo Maccs fight will be explosive, Nicky Cooks the same, and we could have a possible domestic fight of the year in Pryce v Hall.

  • Comment number 66.

    Barrera is a legendary fighter and has been in with the best. Five years ago he would've taken Khan down to Chinatown. It's a shame if he is fighting with nothing left in the tank. 15 years of fighting the best takes its toll. The night he beat up Hamad particularly when he bounced him off the ring post was very satisfying.

    Barrera is part of the legacy of great Mexican fighters. To me Khan hasn't earned the right to fight a great. There is no way Kahn would take on a young Berrera. For me the fight is a bad advertisement for boxing. I really want Berrera to win but in realty he probably shouldn't be in the ring.

    Remember as Barrera said in a recent press conferencce he had 6 world title defences by the time he was Khan's age.

  • Comment number 67.

    This fight is a real 50-50, until the first two rounds are up. By then, it will be obvious whose going to win.

    If Barerra has anything left and catches Khan cleanly, Khan's career is over. If Khan's defensive work has improved and Barerra is a walking elephant, Khan's speed and combinations could see a mid-fight stoppage for him.

    I'm leaning towards the latter for one simple reason and it's name is Frank Warren. He is the ultimate expert at cathing a fighter who is shot but not everyone knows yet. Judging by Barrera's last performance on the 31st January, where he won a 3rd round DQ against a guy with a record of 1-7, I feel that Frank Warren could be pulling off one of the greatest tricks of all time and make Khan look very good in the process against a fighter, who people will say in the future Khan finished off. Finishing off any legends career can only bode very well on an up and coming fighter's CV.

    For all those reasons, my money is on Khan, with one the shrewdest promoter of all time in his corner, BUT all Barerra needs is one punch, and it will be curtains for Khan. That's what makes this fight so exciting, does Barerra have anything of substance left?

  • Comment number 68.

    Khan is going to have to absorb hard punches at some time in this fight, something he has previously struggled with, if Khan has improved his defence (10 fold), knows what to do when tagged which he will be, and most importantly (in my opinion) has the will and determination to win this fight he can win...but its a huge step up to marquez, or does king have a hand/ clause in this promotion to get khan to fight diaz if he wins, and get his fighter back with a "easy" ko

  • Comment number 69.

    fjsm33 - I never got personal about anything, maybe you shouldn't be so sensitive. I merely stated that you have difficulty accepting when your wrong and I also did comment on the subject by stating that your comment about taking 1000's to other parts of the head was nonsense. You also then proved my point by stating I was ignorant for spelling something wrong, ignorance is a lack of knowledge spelling something wrong just makes me careless, which proves that you are ignorant of the meaning of the word. And that isn't an insult as everyone is ignorant of something it isn't a bad thing just makes you look silly when you make ignorant comments.

    Mr_Pilks - I think by accident you've proved the point against yourself. Lacey took many to the chin and all over his face, he had no defense, Calzaghe could have hit him anywhere he wanted and did, that just proves that Lacey is made of granite and isn't chinny and that Calzaghe hasn't got a knockout punch but then he never needed it as he was so good.

  • Comment number 70.

    The most important thing is that everyone decides what side there on NOW, not AFTER THE FIGHT! It happened during the Pacman ODH fight. Before the fight everyone was saying it was wrong, on how pacman would get destroyed by getting in the ring with someone whos fought up in middleweight. But after the fight everyone was how ODH was weight drained but no one seemed to mention what they were saying before the fight. If you feel Barrera is shot say it now and stick to it. Dont get Amirs back now and then after the fight say Barrera is shot. CHOOSE YOUR SIDE NOW!!! I personally feel Amir's gonna win, good luck to him!

  • Comment number 71.

    Khan may have a weak chin. I wont go as far to say that Roy Jones Junior had a weak chin (as much as Khan) but RJJ certainly was not a great absorber of hard punches. In his prime RJJ used his lightning sharp reflexes so that when he got hit, he was moving with the punch landing on him. That way he didnt take clean hit so often.
    Khans main fault has been keeping his head too still. We can only assume that the experts like Freddie Roach and Manny have rectified this error.
    This is also an opportunity to see how good a trainer Freddie Roach really is. We expect to see a different Khan to the one who ran into Prescott and ended up on the mat.

  • Comment number 72.

    I feel that if Khan does what Freddie and Manny tell him to do, he can win the fight. But if he loses his focus (Barrera might try to disrupt him, the way Bernard hopkins often did) then he may be in trouble. But i doubt Barrera has the power that Prescott has. So i doubt the fight will end as early as some haters of Khan want.

  • Comment number 73.

    Khan is certainly not at Marquez's level at this time. And i doubt that Warren and Roach will encourage him to fight Marquez. Khan may beat Barrera but he wont challenge Marquez. Khan will have to fight a few more decent opponents and get experience before he tries to mix it with Marquez. But Marquez is preoccupied with vengence with Manny, so he might vacate the title and go after him.

  • Comment number 74.

    I seriously cannot believe some people on here honestly think that Khan is not chinny? I mean come on guys Limmond would (and should) have beaten him if he had any self belief about him, also the incredibly long count helped the Khan bandwagon carry on, Limmond is at best a decent puncher but no more and the fact he put Amir down for at least a 10 count should have had Warren running into the hills at the thought of Prescott, I said years ago that barerra would be way to much for Naz and for similar reasons, Naz too was chinny, but used his power and speed to get him out of trouble, that only works against someone who u are confident u can KO and as bad as they think barerra is i cant think anyone would ever be confident of KO'ing the man....Barerra late stoppage for me

  • Comment number 75.

    It might be worthwhile mentioning that when Barrera fought Hamed, a strange noise was heard when Hamed hit Barrera in the stomach. That video was on youtube but i have to look for it.
    Apparently that sound coming from the stomach is an indicator of performance enhancing drugs.
    Actually while i was writing this comment i was searching and found it:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX_n419n5CI&feature=related

  • Comment number 76.

    Also appears that Barrera was using hard substance in his gloves similar to what Antonio Margarito was using. And claims it was caught on photo evidence.
    I cant claim to know but it is nonetheless interesting

  • Comment number 77.



    Seamingwicket....Crap mate :) no offense....Barerra has fought what 70+ times and to my knowledge NEVER been caught using drugs or ur second ridiculous claim

  • Comment number 78.

    Not my claims.
    Was passing the info. That is all.

  • Comment number 79.

    There is another video of this funny sound coming from Barrera:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81N479snTfE&feature=channel_page

  • Comment number 80.

    Was passing the info. That is all.

    But its not info is it, its actually (if u will pardon the pun) well below the belt....Barerra has always for me at least been a champion in the ring......

  • Comment number 81.

    How was that a victory?

    Khan headbutted MAB and then fought him while he could only see out of 1 eye!!!

    Barrera wins for me! End of!

  • Comment number 82.

    Khan has just won. HAHAHHAHAHahhahahahahahhahahhaha all you haters can eat your words now. Just like Manny vs ODH.
    Yes it was an unfortunate headbutt accident BUT, Khan was dominating.

  • Comment number 83.

    I am so happy for Khan. With the amount of hate that gets thrown at him from people.
    Don King was impressed with Khans speed and precision.
    This does not mean that Khan is good enough to mix it with Marquez and the rest BUT with enough training and focus and experience he will rise up!

  • Comment number 84.

    Freddie Roach! Congratulations! You have proven why you are one of the greatest trainers in the world.

  • Comment number 85.

    I predicted a Khan win, but not like that. The result is a farce.

    Any true boxing fan will have to agree, no matter what side they were on. The headbutt in the first round decided the fight. The way the SKY presenters tried to ignore the headbutt and pretend Khan "came of age" was diabolical. It's almost as if they thought Khan had just knocked out Barerra with a left hook.

    I am so disappointed for both Barerra and Khan. This farce has proved nothing.

    The only true fair conclusion should be a rematch with all the people who paid £15 on Sky Box Office getting a free viewing of the rematch. I won't hold my breath, but I know if that doesn't happen, I'll never order another Sky Box Office fight invloving Amir Khan, after that farce, especially after Khan, his trainer, and the Sky commentary team tried to pass it off as a sensational win.

    Everyone who thinks it was is stupid, a first round severe headbutt decided that fight. I would even argue that Barerra was slipping all of Khans punches up until that point, this was a million times worse than Klitcshko Lewis, at least that cut happened after a few rounds.

    I'm taking nothing away from Khan, as I said I predicted him to win, but unfortunatley for me, this result is a farce and I hope any true boxing fan would agree.

  • Comment number 86.

    Ok, Khan beat Barrera. No matter the manner of the victory, record books will still have Khan as the winner. But that was a 35 year old Barrera who has fought 7 rounds in the last two years, against absolute nobodies. I believe his last opponent, Rojas, had lost 7 of his 9 fights. Khan cant possibly for one moment start thinking he is a world class fighter. The talk of him getting a title shot now is just ridiculous. But saying that, he’ll probably get one!
    That is what is wrong with boxing. The biggest loser from Prescott’s 54 second KO of Khan was Prescott! He now can’t get a fight against money spinning opposition as people don’t want to fight him and don’t want to risk losing what they have. Good managers avoid challenges like that. If Khan gets his title shot, and wins, he himself will know there are masses of fighters below him, including Prescott, capable of whupping him.
    If Khan has anything about him in terms of pride, he should now have a re-match with Prescott. Otherwise, I think it shows boxing has become more about the money and who’s manager can navigate a way to the top of the pile, rather than a proud warrior fighting his way to the top.

  • Comment number 87.

    #85 JobyJak - "I would even argue that Barerra was slipping all of Khans punches up until that point"

    You'd certainly have to, because that really wasn't the case.

  • Comment number 88.

    "You'd certainly have to, because that really wasn't the case."

    They were just flash punches that didn't really connect. Even Ian Darke commented on the early exchanges and said it looked like Barerra was slipping all the punches. In the post fight interview Barerra said he could not feel Khan's punches and it was the first round cut that prevented him from fighting.

    Do you honestly believe Khan's punches up until the cut really hurt Barerra? I don't believe so, but I am not going to argue against you because the time period involved was far too short to judge a boxing match.

    I am not a Khan hater, and I really wanted him to look good in this one, but for me this fight has proved nothing, and if anything has made Khan look worse in my eyes by the way he was trying to glam this up as a superb victory. But what really sickened me, was the vain attempt by the Sky broadcasting team Nicky Piper, Johnny Nelson But especially Glen Mcrory who tried their best to try and convince us the headbutt was irrelevant, (it is their latest cash cow afterall). At least Johnny Nelson had the guts to say it was an anti-climax, before Glen Mcrory (sensing the audience reaction) rudely interrupted him with more BS.

  • Comment number 89.

    I agree about Prescott deserving to move up the ranks and fight the big names in the future. I hope he dosent get deliberately ignored.

  • Comment number 90.

    Khan should eventually have rematch with Prescott. Maybe not now but eventually yes. Both are young and so they can meet anytime in many years to come.

  • Comment number 91.

    I don't see the point in putting down Barrera as an opponent. Noone really knew how good he was going to be, which is why the bookies had the fight pretty much even.

    Khan and his people took on the fight, and he's gone out and dominated it, cut or no cut.

    There's no point in a rematch, the fight's done all it had to do which was to show that Khan is serious about fighting proper fighters. Time now to move on to the next opponent...hopefully not a title fight just yet though.

 

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