Friday 22 July 2011

The euro crisis will give Germany the empire it’s always dreamed of

https://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100098260/this-crisis-will-give-germany-the-empire-its-always-dreamed-of/

'Yesterday’s witching hour of the European Union means that Germany has come very close to realising Bismarck’s dream of an economic empire stretching from central Europe to the Eastern Mediterranean.'

This isn't about a greater German empire and Oborne knows this the full well. Yet he continues to peddle the lies and live within the lie because he is paid very well to.

It's all about the interests of big business and profits over all else via oligarchy

JJ-five names was saying this would happen all along. It's the libertarians/freemarketeers/Tortskyists/Anarchists call them what you will have planned all along as this crises has been deliberately manufactured.

How did Ike explain the MO process, something a bit like this?

1. Problem
2. Reaction
3. Solution

Problem: Manufacture a crisis deliberately. Reaction: Let the masses wallow in the consequenses for a while when things are bad. Soution: Propose to the masses what the elites wanted all along when the masses are begging for the solution QED.

It's why successive govt's have planed and enacted devolution of the UK so that it is broken douwn into NUT units ready for the federal states of a united europe.

So James Murdoch's claim that despite signing a HUGE cheque to an alleged victim of phone hacking, he never checked to see what had led to NI being sued and no one told him anything about hacking @ NI. Now two NI execs dispute this - IMHO JM is in real danger of criminal charges.

I do hope this doesn't mean we take our eye of Coulson - I still want to know why he is the only No10 Comms Director who I understand was never "actively vetted" to give him the same security clearance as EVERY previous person in the job was required to have - are we seriously supposed to believe he didn't need it?

I feel there is a more credible explanation - Cameron's staff knew Coulson would fail the vetting - so they rewrote the Comms Dir job description to sidestep the security checks - and in doing so, allowed Coulson right into the heart of government.

I simply cannot sqaure this wth Cameron's explanation of how & why he took Coulson on - if he couldn't pass the vetting, by definition he shouldn't be in government, should he? Yet Cameron must have been a party to this - now that the wheels have come off, isn't conciously putting state security at risk in this way a resigning issue?

#1 Hey, Mussy, you're 'avin a laught 'en ya?! ; )

"JJ-five names was saying this would happen all along"

And a serious question Mr Five Names, do you think the plebs will ever revolt against the moneyed classes? i.e. demonstrations, riots etc.? Or do you think they'll all just lay down and keep taking the flack?

Problem with big business and global business is that the law is inadequate and allows both them and our politicians too much wriggle room on issues like bankers bonuses, Cadbury's, Lloyds and Halifax BOS etc.

Time for a new Constitutional Code setting out how all public and private decision makers must behave in the national interest and be transparent about this.

I know pipe-dream stuff as this kind of legislation/ ministerial code would not be aggreeable to the Chinese, USA and EU - but it never is and never will be.

If British people want a really big society that is fair and transparent and in the national interest - Britian would have to go it alone instead of being dragged along behind the rest - while we sink lower and lower with very new crisis and scandal that the global spivs and despots can land on us.

'We'll have the latest on the hacking story on tonight's Newsnight'

There's a thing.

You might see if there is any other news.

Hint:

@jeffjarvis - BBC commentator speculates that terrorists might confuse Scandinavian countries.

Shouldn't that be 'militants', and only after watertight oversight?

meanwhile, the DG is defending free speech over at 'The Editors' blog, but either the mods didn't get the memo or are not big on irony.

Of course it is a default, what is more,

They make the 'private sector haircut' sound like the banks will take a hit. The truth is the largest investors in gov bonds are pension funds for obvious reasons (supposed to be secure with a guaranteed return over many years).

I would have liked to have seen mdm legarde asked what the effect on pension funds of the voluntary private sector lossess would be.

The 20 billion hit from the private sector will not be coming from executives wages or corporate profit line it will be expressed as a reduction in a great many peoples retirement funds.

The rest of the bailout is also funded by the people of europe.

All it does is defer the underlying problem and hide it in the future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma6cnPLcrtA&feature=player_embedded#at=15

Two people can't eat the same biscuit, but many people can, simultaneously, spend the same money. Banking and Finance is a looking-glass world here on earth.

"Fractional Reserve Banking Makes Cats Sad"
https://www.positivemoney.org.uk/2011/07/fractional-reserve-banking-makes-cats-sad/

As for the ratings agencies, they aren't always wrong, but they are NOT independent public spirited watchdogs. If we liken the banking and finance "industries" to a predatory military-imperialist machine, then they are the spearhead military engineers, preparing the ground for the invading forces who rob the rest of us.

https://www.neweconomics.org/blog/2011/07/20/the-next-banking-scandal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX61PUZ3xkI

And finally, (ITN style)
https://www.private-eye.co.uk/pictures/captions/murdoch_brooks.jpg

Just one small anecdote which occurred to me after watching the the Monckton debate #8 was !

What kind of true environmentalist would support a policy which increased the amount of one of the most toxic substances know to science in circulation within the community.

Perhaps the reason the EU banned traditional light bulbs was nothing to do with saving the planet but a key factor in buying the consensus of Spain on EU policy in general. I believe that Spain is the worlds leading producer of Mercury, there was once an OU prog on the BBC about the mining and how strict limits to exposure were in force.

As usual with any alleged green policy Its probably all about promoting false economic growth, and thus increasing the financial apartheid between rich and poor.

# ecolizzy

I'm not JJ-five names.

#9 SC wrote:

'As for the ratings agencies, they aren't always wrong, but they are NOT independent public spirited watchdogs. If we liken the banking and finance "industries" to a predatory military-imperialist machine, then they are the spearhead military engineers, preparing the ground for the invading forces who rob the rest of us.'

Hear, hear!

Some Lord so-and-so on R4 yesterday morning said that blaming the ratings agencies for the CDO ratings shambles was like blaming the weatherman for a bad weather forecast.

Of course, he was being deliberately obfuscatory.

Your description above is far more accurate.

Please read the Paul Craig Roberts link in my post from yesterday for his assessment of the US rating aqgencies.

They are the most politically motivated NGO's in the western world. Hence the EU reaction to them. China are developing their own!

Huhne has totally lost the plot, it may all come back to haunt him !

https://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/07/21/uk-enivronment-britain-huhne-idUKTRE76K5BG20110721

Oh!, and now a bomb has exploded in happy, sleepy Oslo!

(more manufactured consent?)

Looks very much to me like weapons grade explosives (ala 7/7). Now just where could the 'terrorists' have obtained that from?



New York/London is the home of the enemy!

Al-Qaeda are responsible for the blasts in Norway
https://www.debka.com/article/21142/

Supporting link #13

https://www.prisonplanet.com/global-warming-alarmist-calls-for-eco-gulags-to-re-educate-climate-deniers.html

#8 bro

re the link

'Defying climate deal like appeasing Hitler, says Huhne'


What a strange turn of phrase given the subject!

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The real terrorists are based in New York, Washington and London and they all wear suits!

MuseV #17

You have got to look at everything they say through the mirror, all the evidence points towards the fact that its Huhne and others who are actually the one's appeasing the Nazi's. ( remember der Vandervogel )

I can remember most of what JJ said as well, even from the time when she used to post as ardrianne.

Yet again on the 24 hour networks we are getting blanket coverage of ONE story at the expense of everything else. Yet what is known and relevant about the Oslo attacks could easily be summarised into 5 minutes, at most twice per hour. The rest is gossip and speculation, designed to squeeze the last drop of significance out of people who mostly just repeat what everyone else has said. This strategy is subject to a law of exponentially diminishing returns. Advances in technology are ignored. For people who switch on five minutes too late, there is always the ticker, the red button and the internet! They won't miss anything - just the artificial angst.

One might think that 24 hour news would give the opportunity to have breadth AND depth, but that's not what we get much of the time. Instead we are treated to a myopic and obsessive microscope on one very small part of the big picture, whilst everything else gets neglected.

The whole structure of 24 hour news, not just the BBC, needs to be rethought.

#1: mV: then that will be the shortest lived "empire" in history. Empires die when the costs of enforcing the will of the rulers onto the subjugated exceed the incomes, - and any stored wealth/capital the Empire's leaders wish to spend to maintain it. (on to which can now be added the function "debt" as well).

regard Eurozone. Certainly, the Germans and French elites wish to push for an EU where their own pockets are lined - it is those occasions where whichever Elites do NOT do this that are remarkable. But ALREADY there is massive civil unrest in the PIIGS, and Washington's lapdog UK!

the EU Banksters and their subordinates/partners in the political spheres, think they can pull another 1930s. Perhaps they are right.

and perhaps, due to Public information, through the P2P internet and twitter, knowledge not parsed and distorted through the Elite-controlled media, perhaps, perhaps they are not.

#4 lizzy, as he is in identity-denial for some reason, i'd answer by reminding you that there ARE already demonstrations most weeks, in most UK cities, and that's even before the cuts will add another 1,000,000+ active and enraged and recently unemployed citizens to "the barricades".


what saddens me is just how much of this is completely avoidable, and the potential for total disaster it is risking. Surely by now much of the UK's population is beginning to wake-up to how much of the 'politics' they see on TV is rigidly structured and controlled? How little of Reality there was in the 'Leaders Debates', how little of Reality there is GENERALLY shown on TV?

and yet, despite all that, i am still certain that come an election time, and the bunting comes out, and the Parties start trotting out their favourite clichés and controlled-debates, the Public will once again be led into choosing between the 3 identikit parties, and then afterwards, AGAIN wonder why the basic policies don't seem to change whichever Party is in.


i'll get me Burkha and sunglasses.

#21: YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Irrespective of the merits of the different sides in the climate debate, Huhne has added nothing to it except unjustified insults and hysteria.

The evidence for the Holocaust, and it's deliberate nature, is overwhelming.

However, given that there is incomplete understanding of non man-made climate change, the theories of man-made climate change can only be a hypothesis, albeit a plausible one. To me, the associated issues such as projected human population size, resource scarcity and environmental degradation are equally important. This is a matter for a rational case, and not a quasi-religion.

However, the amusingly named Mr Huhne (Mr Chicken was the name of his likely German ancestor) has a career which is being blown off course by allegations of personal impropriety. His counterproductive raising of the temperature in the climate debate will be seen as an attempt to deflect attention from other matters and save his political skin. As Barrie might say, however intelligent he might be, he has much to learn in terms of maturity.

@22 Mork - Some things do change. I'll lay odds that whatever headlines we see after the next election, we won't see "It Was The Sun Wot Won It!" :-D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poH2xih0FWw&feature=feedu

my best wishes to the Norwegian People.

just watched the NN report on the Oslo attack: #14 hmmmm.

https://www.infowars.com/oslo-police-conducted-bombing-exercise-days-before-terrorist-blast/

Norway
Problem reaction solution. Possible.

The usual managed media reports follows. At least the reports of the attacks came after the event...unlike the reports of Building 7 and it "collapse". Its easy to think govt conspiracy when these things happen...but Govts do have form on this. The ancient Greeks, the Romans, the British -especially the British, the Yanks, the Germans...think of a country and they've probably done the old false flag routine. Offical history erases any Govt machinations from the memory, well its easy done considering these events are covertly done with the govt corporate media steering questions and eyes to other things.

I used to laugh at the conspiracy theorists. 9/11 changed my attitude and with a glance at real history -not the offical nonsense -there is no getting away from the fact...Govts do naughty things. Thankfully, enough of us are awake to how they operate..and they know it; we are on to them. Too early to say who was responsible for the attacks in Norway. Could be the far-right or Islamic extremists (too easy is that)...Gaddafi's got a sound grievence, could be his doing. Who benefits from this attack?

I pity the families who have lost loved ones today, and all of those other victims who have had bombs dropped on them or killed via western made weaponery throughout the years.

Be cautious of the man who says 'I rest my case'...one of Al Gore's favourite line is that. And be especially cautious if its an old retired hack from Fleet Steet who trots it out.

#22 Ah Mr MH I think they've found the answer! ; )

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8655861/Whitehall-told-to-make-Britain-happy.html

I don't think it'll work

from weds show: it was amazing this Govt was ahead in giving aid to the people of East Africa stricken by famine, and David Cameron's Govt has shamed the other powerful nations that can afford $Tns for war, but not even a bare *Millionth* of that money to save millions of the lives of the poorest, and most vulnerable people on the planet. Sometimes, just like in Northern Ireland, this PM can be surprising. Not endorsing his choice of Coulson and Osborne, though. Definitely shows bad judgement.


mind you, who hasn't been guilty of that themselves in the past? I certainly have. My mother recommended i got rid of a friend - very similar in character and beliefs to Osborne, as it happens - in my late teens, and i ignored her, to my great cost. I pass the advice on to David Cameron, in the hope that you have more sense than i did - dump George Osborne, he is untrustworthy, and disaster will attend you from having him around.

there are few UK politicians who could have made that speech to the Catholic Irish and been even slightly credible, i heard you wrote the script yourself, after tearing up the formulaic CS speech. You spoke from the heart, you *knew* what you said was true and moral. And you helped healed part of something that had been broken for centuries.


sometimes, aren't we glad that the UK is the kind of country that gives more than 10x the amount of money towards famine relief, than France under Sarkosy, and twice as much as the USA under Obama, in this current catastrophe in East Africa?

i wonder what the amount of money spent on our behalfs to "protect the civilians of Libya" would have been able to do in the Horn of Africa, properly spent. I wonder which spending priorities would have saved more lives, and i wonder why the western powers decided to reject every Libyan offer of ceasefire and discussion, which could have avoided the events ever since in that country. Not that i would trust Ghaddafi further than i would *anyone* with $Bns in their bank accounts. But this whole exercise seems to be little more than an exercise in complete futility, at vast cost to everybody concerned. Not least of all the thousands of Libyan civilians, security and irregulars who have died in the country itself, during this conflict.

GREAT POSTING ABOVE - I GOT IN TOO LATE (:O(

Re Huhne and Hitler: Obama likened the Mexican Gulf oil spill to 9/11, almost as soon as he could get to a microphone. Do shape-shift lizards suffer from bad analogy?

Re Campbell: he manifests a sycophantic LOVE for Blair (and a related deep rage if Blair's being or works are impugned – see his final few minutes at Chilcot). I surmise he would do ANY task for Lord Blair.

Campbell underlines everything I have said about Westminster drawing its own AND HE WAS NOT EVEN ELECTED. Just how perverse is that?

IN THE AGE OF BIG PHARMA, HAPPINESS IS THREE TIMES A DAY WITH FOOD (#32)

I have had my eye on Gus O'Donnell for some time. If he stays true to form, an agreeable answer should be forthcoming - agreeable to power, that is.

I seem to remember his decisions go unchallenged?

LAYARD: 'EXAM FACTORIES' AND 'RAT RACES' - BUT BLIND TO CANNULA IN EVERY HOME (#32)

I wonder if Lord Layard has put in the hours of relevant study and thought that I have? He comments on school and work, but what of early development, and state sponsored drugs, to name but two?

AND WHAT OF THE CANNULA TO EVERY MIND found in every home, delivering elixir of nihilism - our cultural essence - to the deeper parts of every brain? If Layard read my words, would he have any clue as to their import?

Nuff sed.

from your #9 link sasha: did you read the comments afterwards?

https://www.positivemoney.org.uk/2011/07/fractional-reserve-banking-makes-cats-sad/


#32: why lizzy, have you so little faith in our popularly and democratically elected Leaders?? I'm appalled.

spend half an hour a day looking in a mirror, practicing tugging your forelock. If you feel the need of a greater Faith-Refreshment, even consider kneeling, and doing full body bows to pictures of them on the wall. If this STILL fails, i can only recommend a full pre-frontal lobotomy, and this *will* restore your trust and faith in the Party Leaders. Don't worry, this isn't as bad as its sounds, clearly millions of other Britons have already had this done! Unfortunately, it is not yet available on the NHS, but Private health-care providers are perfectly willing..

and so much easier for the Tory Govt than actually cutting short the gravy-train that is causing so much of most people's unhappiness!! Perfick!!

totally recommended, happiness guaranteed. Similar in neurobiological terms to exclusively watching News Corp output. "Ignorance is Bliss".

seriously, don't you find the more you know, the less happy you are? Kudos then to this Govt for closing down or privatising skkools and libraries, and making access to university impossible for the poorest.

after all, would a loving Parent of us Like David Cameron want to add the burden of unhappiness due to knowledge, to take away the joys that poverty brings? He loves us, as does Milliband, and Lord Mandelson, and Clegg, and GWB, who protected us from terror! How could *anyone* be unhappy with such wonderful, devoted politicians taking care of them??

*totally* recommending the lobotomy, its marvellous, - a miracle!!!! :o

Barrie: regarding your comment about Obama.
"Do shape-shift lizards suffer from bad analogy?" haha!

Whats not funny is this community organiser president has put the American astronauts on the back of a bus..hitching a ride on Russian rockets. Not a word mentioned in the lame stream media other than the shuttles are now museam pieces with nice video footage. The argument about the need to save money don't wash. You only have to look at what Obuma has spent money on: the public works that equated to each paving stone laid cost $2m. He's hell bent on destroying America and its standing in the world. Meanwhile he's still trying to increase the national debt. What is it about those that get into high political and economic office are schooled in the Chicargo way of doing things eh?..go figure.

#16:
- eco-consumers want to "save the planet" by buying ecological stuff.
- ecologists & environmentalists want to save the planet through pollution reduction, sustainability, and efficiency.
- eco-fascists hate people, and want to "save the planet" by wiping all the humans out.

"fascism", - am i the only one spotting the key word here??


but i tell you what, when Brighton Council workers start goose-stepping in the streets, i'll get worried. Until then, i'll live with that terrible risk the Greens are just a front for the EDL!! I would think, what with living in kkkorporate America with its Republicrat Party and foreign policies, Alex Jones would have more to worry about than the Green Party.. i mean really! C'mon!


#25: so "it was twitter wot won it" then?? ;)

actually, i have absolutely no doubt the Parties, and other interested groups here in the UK, or from abroad (primarily US), have already laid out plans, carefully constructed 'personas', and built up reputations in preparation to divert twitter information streams, and prevent too much of the Public getting too much of an idea of what the actual problems, possible solutions, and trustability of the individual politicians for the next round of sham-elections. You think it is just the Afghans who get 'Karzais' chosen for them?

And the Press is still a valuable tool of 'mass-brainwashing and misinformation' - just as it is still potentially (and occasionally actually achieves, in the hands of good and brave journalists) a tool of accurate information transfer, education, and an essential channel of communication. So who knows?? Maybe theSun's hostility to the LibDims will enable them to sweep a landslide in response.... ;D


#9: AVAST!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wwg6rED7-Q&feature=related

and ultimately, they refused to pay the gambling debts of the banksters..


..rather than enslave themselves and their children for generations to come. Cutlasses at the ready??


final point: just an honourable and respectable Menschion. ;)

LEARNING AT MUMMY'S KNEE CAN TAKE YOU BOTH UP AND DOWN

Mensch MP, functions in the 'Mother of Parliaments' under the law (Cameron).

Mensch MP was delighted to point out the distorting Mirror trick of saying: "WE WORK WITHIN THE LAW (present tense).

How long before we hear Mensche MP use 'a form of words' (Westminster has many) to avoid meeting a question or to escape from telling a simple truth? After all, she is ambitious for Westminster 'success' and devious construction is what GREAT PARLIAMENTARIANS do with the 'mother' tongue.

Nuff SED.

In passing: it was Mensch MP’s party (Con) that conceived, composed, printed and distributed, during the 2010 election, the illegal FORM OF WORDS that I term the ‘Liar Flyer’. QED.

"BLUE EYED AND BLOND"! BBC WASH YOUR MOUTH OUT!

Not thick lipped and frizzy? Not slitty eyed and glossy? Not starey and thick lipped?

SHADES of Brigstocke at his best. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1L8pWTeeNs

#40: she's not an Angel. Don't be churlish. :P

would you rather have her or millibad on TV discussing the Media?



nuffsed? ;)

Just thought I would share my latest attempt to explain things as they are to a couple of collegues at work (below) who would fit into the hard working families category and who worry about pensions etc.

I dunno guys, I wish NN would ask the right questions of Mdm Legard and the like, Mishal almost forced the mask to slip from mdm Legarde the other night.. just need a little more one feels. Anyway.. missive as below.

xxxxx and XXXXX,

'' The greeks have effectively defaulted on thier debts, part of the deal is that the 'private sector' takes a big hit.

They make it sound like fat cats at the banks and large corporations will pay some of the bill off their bottom line. The truth is it is nothing of the sort, a large chunk of the 'private sector' contribution is actually pension funds (the biggests investors in gov bonds (i.e. gov debt) as they are long term and supposed to be the most secure investment .. ideal for pensions.. you buy a gov 15 year bond .. they pay you 3% of its value every year for 15 years then give the original value back... also note inflation is now running way above bond return values...so you may get the paper money back in 15 yesrs but it will only buy you a loaf of bread by that time for all your efforts at saving....).

High inflation erodes the true (purchasing power) value of the debt when it is repaid. The longer the period the bigger the reduction.. pensions are worst hit.. Yet despite all this people are forever warned and encouraged to 'save for their retirement'..... hmmmmmm. I am starting to wonder who really benefits from that ?

The private sector will not take a hit, except their commision for 'managing' YOUR pension funds will be reduced. Who really takes the hit are all those with money invested in private sector pensions and most will only ever notice this when they get their annual statement.

This strategy, in effect, pushes the problem into the future (via pensions) and does not resolve it, even under this deal it remains doubtful that the Greek economy (constrined from de-valuing as they are part of the Euro) will be able to ever 'grow' enough to pay back the debt on this new deal, never mind the other endebted nations (Ireland, portugal, Italy, spain.........USA)

Meanwhile in the USA the 'tea party' nutters are holding to ranson raising the debt ceiling, I think they will reach an 11th hour agreement, if they do not the euro crisis will look like a storm in a teacup, irrespective it just goes to show how tenous it all is economically. Even if they do raise the debt ceiling in the States unless a huge amount of economic growth appears from somewhere (how ?) in the next few years and is sustained those debts can never be repaid anyway. Given this hoo ha it is likely that the USA will need to pay more interest on its new debt thus compounding the problem even further even if they reach a deal.

I am pretty sure I am right about all of this but try and find someone mainstream to tell it as it is. There is an answer to it but it requires a huge shift in how things work currently which would not be in the financial interests of large corporations in particular... who... incidentally have alot of influence over politicians and the media .

Funny that eh...

If I were to hazard a guess I would say 1 to 2 years before the wheels fall off or ... next week if the USA does not agree to raise the debt ceiling..


Feel free to ignore all of the above and consider me to be a nutter .. most people do..


Tally ho.

YOU HAVE TO WORK HARD TO ATTAIN NUTTERSHIP ON THIS BLOG JERICOA ('43)

Minimum requirement: serious OCD and at least five noms de post.

I'll get me epithet.

#43: pretty accurate, i'd say. Personally i would have added some more potential disasters on the horizon, (mainly because i believe warning people of the truth, no matter how scary, can enable them to respond better, maybe even to prevent!), but specifically taking pensions, you've covered the bread-and-butter.

i think the biggest obstacle to change is this pernicious belief that politicians SHOULD be working in the Public's interest, therefore they ARE - the "State as surrogate parents".

in actual fact, we have the equivalent of Baby P's parents (my apologies), kkkorporate, Thatcherite-feudalism.

when "doing the right thing by the Public" is seen as soppy, naive, and "not something a proper chap (or lass) does", we are in the serious do-do.


PRIVATISATIONS AHOY!!! :/

btw, pensions used to be national, like the National Health Service they were available to all. In the 80s, private pensions were introduced, "to add competition". Only a few years later, the National pension scheme was largely scrapped, - but the Murdoch press kept quiet the implications for that for their readers, who were largely under 50 and didn't really grasp what the changes meant.

this is PRECISELY what will happen to the NHS if the Tories current plan to shaft the Public goes ahead, and - wait for it - "competition is to be introduced to improve efficiency", - AGAIN! Well, the line worked the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that... why won't it work THIS time?? They just have to prevent violent revolution until the next election, where once again BOTH main parties will say "there is no other way", but the resulting vote will be proclaimed a "vindication" and "legitimisation" of the despised policies, and the media will ensure the circuses take the Public's minds off what they have lost.

the NHS is seen as a "cash-cow" to be exploited by those with insider information and contacts, and you don't need a degree in economics to realise this is also exactly what happened, and what is still happening, to the pension funds.

not, you may reliably guess, to people like fred (the shred) goodwin or tony bliar's pension plans, however.

basically, the people who should be in prison for misconduct, have extremely good pension plans, the vast majority of other (good and hard-working) people are looking at poverty. If they even live long enough to retire.

it is sickening watching it happen, even to some of those lucky enough to be on the 'winning' side, it seems. That doesn't include me, btw!!

#34 barry: "Re Huhne and Hitler: Obama likened the Mexican Gulf oil spill to 9/11, almost as soon as he could get to a microphone. Do shape-shift lizards suffer from bad analogy?"

actually, i think that's one of those "unintentional truths". After all, 9/11 was a kkkorporate false-flag operation..

'21.
At 20:24 22nd Jul 2011, Sasha Clarkson

Yet again on the 24 hour networks we are getting blanket coverage of ONE story at the expense of everything else. Yet what is known and relevant about the Oslo attacks could easily be summarised into 5 minutes, at most twice per hour. The rest is gossip and speculation...

The whole structure of 24 hour news, not just the BBC, needs to be rethought.

Beyond being spot on about Mr. Huhne as well, I fully agree.

The 24/7 news maw needs feeding, and when they run out of stray morsels, the flavour turns rancid quickly.

I left the broadcast variety pronto once ignorant peroxide sinks started asking large red noses what their 'analysis' was of stuff no one knew anything about, or saner heads were keeping counsel upon until they did, evidenced by the Norwegian police press conference.

So what was served up was a lot of folk whose thoughts were going out... prior to not engaging brain before proving that with them had gone any professional integrity.

Twitter was no better. And once the wannabe level TV guest brigade decided to pop Milly and hacking on the back burner and bring this one up to full heat over light in supporting their pet projects, the sun and garden beckoned.

As it does again. I just hope those whose incomes depend on lack of ad eyeballs are suffering.

As to the rest, well, you can stay unique for only so long.

The DG is 'discussing' this over on the' The Editors Blog. Just, don't have a different take. Whilst good to demonstrate irony at work, not very satisfying otherwise.

WEDGIE SAYS (WITH USUAL BOGUS APLOMB) “POLITICIANS LEARN BY MISTAKES”

Er - no. Politicians make mistakes - they EARN by them, and we NEVER learn.

Until the muppet class of rump-voters realise they are bought (with lies, and with their own money) at election

https://www.electionleaflets.org/leaflets/5831/

this sad charade will continue all the way to EU absorption - or social collapse.

ANYONE NOTICING HOW MUCH BETTER-USED THE ANY-ANSWERS TIME IS?

Nick Robinson far more focused and far less ragged.

No time to comment I'll leave that all up to you ; )

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2017817/Poles-sending-home-3bn-year--pay-4-5m-week-benefits.html

SUPPOSE AN INTERNET-LED 'INVASION' OF EU UNEMPLOYED, TARGETED ENGLAND (#50)

Would that amount to our 'spring'?

Could happen - this IS the Age of Perversity.

I'm starting to think that the Left might actually be right

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8655106/Im-starting-to-think-that-the-Left-might-actually-be-right.html


‘It has taken me more than 30 years as a journalist to ask myself this question, but this week I find that I must: is the Left right after all? You see, one of the great arguments of the Left is that what the Right calls “the free market” is actually a set-up.'

#52: " "!

I AM BEGINNING TO THINK THAT LEFT-RIGHT DIVISION IS A SYMPTOM OF IMMATURITY (#52)

The holistically whole psyche, of the mature, integrated (having integrity) individual (one who has achieved individuation?) must surely have little need for 'left/right', and certainly not as antagonistic stances.

All the more reason to subvert, through wisdom, the juvenile psychopaths who, out of desperate need to CONTROL (like anorexics, bulimics and OCDs generally) are making life hell for the slightly less barmy masses.

BRING NEW MINDS TO WISDOM - NOT MAMMON.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRiqpd9pRbI

One of the biggest problems in Britain is that we barely live in a democracy. The electorate only gets a shout every five years in a system tailor made to distort the will of the people.

If we had a democratic system like Switzerland we would be living in a very different country. There the electorate is entitled to vote in referendums on a huge variety of subjects and if they are dissatisfied with their politicians they can throw them out of office by invoking recall.

If the British electorate had had a general right to referendums since WW2 there would be no problems now with the EU because we wouldn't be in it. Immigration would never have happened and so on.

Our intractable difficulties are therefore largely caused by an unrepresentative parliament which usually has been acting against the will of the people.

Referendums and Recall are the solution.

The two common sense words most feared by our friends in Westminster and the end of their cosy world.

https://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=25478

AND THERE'S MORE (#56)

In the Age of Perversity, during the few weeks of electioneering, media become terrified by the spectre of 'uneven handedness', and totally focused on parties. If Jesus registered as a candidate, with a manifesto of integrity, they would ignore him, and he would lose his deposit.

Once Parliament re-convenes, any attempt to raise a FUNDAMENTAL political issue (like lying for votes - a criminal offence which should void an election) is simply ignored.

Yes: let's have a junta of Swiss Gnomes, to run England in 'Special Measures'. We can have a whole new paradigm and some very satisfying war trials.

Make it so.

#56: ONLY when the Press are not controlled by lying megalomaniacs, otherwise we end up like Australia... where Murdoch has almost total control, because he can work up 'Public Outrage' and 'take out' politicians that are not doing his bidding. Which wouldn't be so bad if his media weren't behind most of the wing-nut, racist and totalitarian policies in that country.


or Switzerland, where for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON WHATSOEVER TO A RATIONAL MIND minarets were banned by referendum. This was purely a right-wing-media led campaign in order to persecute a small minority.

the same, or worse, would have happened in the UK, whilst the Islamophobia campaign was in full swing.

direct democracy is great - truly - BUT!!! - minority rights MUST be protected, or else it becomes a "Dictatorship of the Majority". Such societies disintegrate even faster than minority dictatorships, because the "blame" really does fall on the People, rather than an 'Elite'.


what if there was a referendum in the UK that all EDL members must swim to America, do you think this would be a Just method of governance? Minorities have rights, even extremists who would take those rights away from others.

btw, despite the terrible events in Norway, was it not refreshing that the 'perpetrator' was arrested ALIVE, instead of shot dead? Strongly indicates the Norwegian security forces had nothing to do with this attack/the Norwegian police are clean. Thankfully.

makes such a change from the 'normal' course of such events, in the last 11 years.

The Unions can bleat all they like but its them at the root of the problem by supporting Miliband's 2008 Climate Change Act, the former BR Derby works is probably one of the first of many UK heavy engineering victims of Climate Scam policy !

https://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/Derby-stands-united-10-000-join-Bombardier-rally/story-12995185-detail/story.html

#58: "If Jesus registered as a candidate, with a manifesto of integrity, they would ignore him, and he would lose his deposit. "

https://blogumentary.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/jesusbush2.jpg


"Yes: let's have a junta of Swiss Gnomes, to run England in 'Special Measures'. We can have a whole new paradigm and some very satisfying war trials.

Make it so."


we had them. The acknowledged perp of the war crimes (the Robin to Bush's Batman), is still running around the world, earning vast sums of money.

only our enemies commit war crimes, 'our' politicians simply make "mistakes". The first book i read by Chomsky covered the truth of this with the Russia/Israel/US/UN votes, vetoes and resolutions, and gave so many examples of this it quite literally reversed everything i had thought i'd learned about international relations and international law.

blew my head, frankly. And helped me realise what a unreal Reality had been force-fed me by the mass-media throughout my childhood.

a good and necessary wake-up call. It WOULD be nice to have an International Court that did NOT take into account the relative 'power' of the potential defendants before prosecuting, but so far "Equality before the (International) Law is more honoured in the Breach than in the Observance", to paraphrase Willy.

NICK APPEARS TO THINK HE CAN SCENT THE TOP JOB (#57)

But it's probably school-sick under his shoe, from the gateway. As things stand, the two smell very similar.

CLEAN UP WESTMINSTER PUKE. SPOILPARTYGAMES.

Lone right-wing radical nut with links to freemasonary. Another selected useful idiot perhaps?

Interesting that the good folk of a certain religion collectivley jumped up and down with joy yesterday.

No mention of how the Norweigions are unhappy with multiculturalism on the Beeb. Meanwhile on Russia Today has many mentions of the hated Labour unlistening elite and how the high intake of immigrants -the draw been very generous benefits etc is winding up the indiginous..hence Norways population entertaining rightwing views.

ah well, their plan marches on.

THERESA MAY APPOINTS ELIZABETH FILKIN - I WONDER HOW DAVE FEELS . . .

Are the rats gnawing at the poop deck?

'56.
At 18:26 23rd Jul 2011, museV -
The electorate only gets a shout every five years in a system tailor made to distort the will of the people.

Imperfect, but possibly better than no shout, ever?

'There the electorate is entitled to vote in referendums on a huge variety of subjects and if they are dissatisfied with their [entity] they can throw them out of office...

That has an appeal, mind. But, as with Mr. Miliband's desire for investigation into various wrong-doings, are there limits in mind that could simply lead to yet another conclusion redolent of a certain farmyard analogy?

If applied equally, and to all institutions, it would get my... er... vote.

AND THERE'S MORE (#56) Redacted #62

In the Age of Perversity, during the few weeks of electioneering, media become terrified by the spectre of 'uneven handedness', and totally focused on parties. If XXXXX (well known Eponymous religious founder) registered as a candidate, with a manifesto of integrity, they would ignore him, and he would lose his deposit.

Once Parliament re-convenes, any attempt to raise a FUNDAMENTAL political issue (like xxxxx for votes - a criminal offence which should void an election) is simply ignored.

Yes: let's have a junta of Swiss Gnomes, to run England in 'Special Measures'. We can have a whole new paradigm and some very satisfying war trials.

Make it so.

:o( RIP Amy Winehouse (27 years old). Your amazing talent will be missed.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2018020/Amy-Winehouse-dead--Found-dead-London-flat.html

PRECISELY JUNKK - AND GUARANTEED THROUGH UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE.

In the Age of Perversity: we can bomb whom we choose, but allow no death penalty, EVEN THOUGH A MAJORITY WANT IT. We can kill the unborn, but not the "wish I were dead" - stored alive. And we give votes to all, even though they speak not a word, understand not an issue, and can be bought through expensive advertising, by Westminster manipulators.

ALL VOTERS ARE CLEARLY UNEQUAL, EXCEPT WHEN WESTMINSTER DEEMS OTHERWISE.

What a farce.

#63: i look forward to the time when all those nations now inept corrupt dictatorships become peaceful democracies - and the indigents THERE start screaming blue-murder at the European and American refugees/immigrants.

mind you, did you know that IRAN has already taken in millions of Refugees?
https://www.trust.org/alertnet/news/iran-support-for-afghan-refugees-in-teheran/

bearing in mid they are under crippling sanctions, and have unemployment rates that are truly shocking, as well. Also that Ahmadinadjad is a profoundly un-nice person.


- however, i think kevsey you may have actually expressed the truth behind this, with your comments:

"No mention of how [some] Norweigions are unhappy with multiculturalism on the Beeb. Meanwhile on Russia Today has many mentions of the hated Labour unlistening elite and how the high intake of immigrants -the draw been very generous benefits etc is winding up the indiginous..hence Norways population entertaining rightwing views."

which only need a spark, a la 7/7?

a "Lone right-wing radical nut with links to freemasonary. Another selected useful idiot perhaps?"

maybe...

"ah well, their plan marches on."

and the far-right hope to benefit from this outrage? Inhuman. This was a massacre of CHILDREN, deliberately. This is not some theoretical media-game.

Michael Crick's gone to Channel 4! The BBC are looking for his replacement...
https://www.guardian.co.uk/media/mediamonkeyblog/2011/jul/21/michael-crick-bbc-news-newsnight

Christine Lagarde is not good enough, it's not a gender issue, she does not cut it, not experienced enough and she follows a long line of predictable men with failure as their middle name. They should have gone to the emerging nations and let the IMF (a cursed enterprise at the best of times) take a chance on a Brazilian or a Mexican rather than the narrow confines of northern Europe....also Cameron should resign this weekend as we had no cover and Caulson was a mega security risk and Cameron should go now because of it......

mindy:
my comment "ah well, their plan marches on." refers to the globalists: The banksters, the eco fascists, the eugenicists, the depopulation mob, the western war machine, the socialists.and all helped along with govt funded media arms such as mnsbc, the BBC etc

P:S you can put Obuma in that list if you want. Him being a Marxist and all.

Be careful you dont go too far up your own, if you get my meaning, because arrogance, self importance and ignorance means you may miss stuff happening. You just continue getting your info from the beeb and your legs between you legs. Well give you a shout for heads up when the fire ball comes down the road...keep your wits about you in the mean time..the greens are coming.

And remember Hitler was nice to dogs so don't be fooled...lol

D'ACCORD MORK - CUI BONO (#69)

CIA stands for Carefully Investigate Advantage. e.g. Let's paint a picture:

Norway is getting a reputation for competence and - dare I say - maturity. The disaffected masses under Machiavellian regimes (USA, UK, etc) might increasingly cite the 'Yes We Can' of Norway in rejecting manipulative lies and scams at home.

Solution: stitch Norway up with a home grown nutter. Remember what the BBC kept repeating? "Blue eyed blonde." (Doesn't that sound a bit like Al Quaida terrorist on 9/11?)

We have been lied to so many times, the truth is now a conspiracy theory.

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#70: NewsNight, you have my mobile number. I'd *apply*.

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3rd time lucky?

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Posting:

i can't get away with ANYTHING!!

[re]Posting #74:

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#72 kevsey: also from this page. Keep it up.


#73: there are no perfect "hævens". No real need to look for massive conspiracies on this one. Not saying there isn't one, however.

[everything else removed, sorry guys, 70 words or so. I also said this is personal, like 7/7, probably too many bleeps.]

hey, y'know, kids might read this who have never heard swearing, right?? Gotta keep it clean.

wow, just watched TW 03: ep 01, awesome!!

Syria: George Orwell's 'Homage to Catalonia'. Just mentioning.

night.

Russia Today:

https://rt.com/news/norway-attack-multiculturalism/

#80: Russia Today.

russia today that no doubt supports the Russian military occupation and BLATANT ethnic cleansing against the muslim Chechens.
russia today, that is using this terrible disaster in order to score points against the West.
russia today that is hoping to use this disaster to increase racial/community tensions in the West.


russia today is disgusting, immoral 'journalism', the carefully constructed, more intelligent KGB knock-off of FauxNews.

and if your article doesn't clearly demonstrate all of those points to you, its because you don't want to see it.

this was a revolting article, a pure-poison propaganda piece, and even the FSB (KGB) should be utterly ashamed of this.

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Mindy

Isn't it funny how the radical liberals are always tolerent of different cultures...but never tolerent of their own culture, always shouting down the concerns raised about the potential damage to a society that multicuturalism can bring.

Thats why Liberalism is a mental disorder and should be treated as such. The road to hell is often paved with good intentions..er and I think history has already taught us that. Some never learn.

#81 Mindy


"and if your article doesn't clearly demonstrate all of those points to you, its because you don't want to see it."


Maybe a wide range of opinions should be evaluated and considered before judgements are made (i.e. non egocentric ones). Some would judge that you too are guilty of only seeing things the way that you want to see them.

Take post #15 above

"Al-Qaeda are responsible for the blasts in Norway
https://www.debka.com/article/21142/ "

Someone was prepared to voice their opinion as fact even though it was only a few hours after the atrocity (or maybe even as the atrocity was continuing elsewhere).

My post #18 was wiped merely for pointing this out at the time.



PS - I find a good night's sleep free from alcohol the night before also aids the ability to make good, considered judgements!

Euro-zone Debt and Fiscal Union

I hear the new powers designed to boost the EFSF (Euro zone bailout fund) will not be confirmed until mid September , probably after the German Constitutional Court has finally made its ruling and Euro-zone legislators have come back from their holiday.

Personally I am still of the mindset that such harmonization across such diverse economies will just increase the systemic risk and increase political instability in its regions.

Still with ever closer union happening in the Euro-zone , it does highlight, in bright neon, the question of what our relationship should be with it.

I look forward to the debates on the subject.

CLOUD Experiment

For those that don't know about the CLOUD project you can catch a recent lecture here.

The alleged Gagging of any conclusions.
In away I can understand it , this science has been ill embraced by politicians for their own political ends , which nearly always trends towards seeking more power or holding on to the power they already have.

So given how political it all is now, it is probably wise for the scientists to publish all the data , how to replicate that data and let others argue it out between themselves.

From the video above, I understand there are a lot more experiments that the CLOUD researchers are wanting to perform. I say let them get on with it.

https://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100098537/climate-change-fake-charities-nazis-and-chris-huhne/

@83 "Isn't it funny how the radical liberals are always tolerent of different cultures...but never tolerent of their own culture..."

Always and never are big words to use without evidence - unless you're inventing facts to suit your prejudices, or defining a tautology. Putting words into imaginary peoples mouths is an easy but sterile way of "winning" an argument.

#86

Really interesting link, well worth the 1 hour investment, he did the same presentation at cern which is a lot better than the later U-tube version on your link, you can find it here.


https://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1181073

He is a genuine inquiring unleveraged scientist, not the best communicator but the correlations speak for themselves and, to his credit, he is not drawn into any opinion on it, he just presents the data.

Good stuff.

Thanks


Susan Watts should take it up although she seems firmly in the anthropogenic camp. There are anthropogenic aspects but no where near as strong as most 'scientists' would have us believe.

SHOCK AND AWE?

Much discussion of the horror that ONE FANATICAL MAN, wanting to improve the world, can inflict on the undefended, using modern weaponry.

Might NewsyNighty get the 'Blair of Jerusalem' take on that?

"I'LL TEACH YOU A LESSON YOU WON’T FORGET"

All nations, with military power, have taught the men of the world that ‘might is right’ – extreme violence, for the 'greater good', is OK.

In The Age of Perversity, extremism becomes ever more extreme.

Zimbardo's 'Stamford Prison Experiment' elegantly illuminated the basic truth that opportunity releases bad behaviours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0jYx8nwjFQ

That experiment only had to create the PHYSICAL conditions; the PSYCHOLOGY was already in place in the male psyche.

Until OUR deluded 'Lords of The Earth' confront their own errors of culture, and leader-mentality, the odd Lordling, such as Anders Breivik, will emerge and SIMPLY FOLLOW THEIR EXAMPLE.

Had Breivik been born American or British – with political ambition – just think what MORE he might have achieved. Will any of the above be aired at his trial? Or will 'we' just have a blood-orgy of Wilful Blindness – until next time.

WE HAVE THE TOOLS – BUT THOSE IN POWER HAVE NO WISH EVEN TO START THE JOB.

For Evil to triumph . . .

#84 kevsey: "Isn't it funny how the radical liberals are always tolerent of different cultures...but never tolerent of their own culture, always shouting down the concerns raised about the potential damage to a society that multicuturalism can bring."

kevsey, you cannot seriously be arguing that *I* am not appreciative of my own culture? I mean, c'mON!!!

as for "dangers of multiculturalism", this sounds all too similar to "dangers of interbreeding" by the 'purist' racists. In fact, it is THAT desire for "purity", of genes, or culture, or thought, that is the exemplar of mental illness. "Purity" is sterility, and the quest for it is a quest for nihilism. What is a "pure" Englishman? What is the "pure" English culture? Point to that Pure Englishman, and let us all copy him, with his "pure" English language, "pure" English mannerisms. And pure genes too?

what if *you* don't match up?

should the English 'evict' any not of the pure Angles stock? All Celts, Irish, Welsh, Scots should be 'evicted'? Any who are not of the CoE (presumably THAT is English enough for you?) evicted?

part of MY culture is what we English/British achieved over centuries - the right to Freedom of Conscience (religious tolerance), Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Assembly (the right to form political parties), and Habeas Corpus (the right to be judged by your peers, and not the current Elite), and the right to be innocent until proven guilty.

my language is part of my culture, the most radically evolving language in existence today, the most creative, the language that can take words and concepts from very different other languages/cultures and incorporate them without anyone blinking.

my media is part of my culture, the TV shows, music, films, documentaries, news programs that leave the UK and are respected around the entire Globe.

not "tolerant" of my own culture? Even above on this blog i defended the edl to have the right to hold opinions, and just because they are a political minority i argued they *have rights*. You're having a tantrum here, not a rational criticism.


"Thats why Liberalism is a mental disorder and should be treated as such. The road to hell is often paved with good intentions..er and I think history has already taught us that. Some never learn."

no, it is this strange desire for "purity" that is the mental illness, it is the same insanity that religious fundamentalists often have, the Afghan Taliban, the American Taliban (neo-con, some tea-party, hard-line-Christian republicans), that is the true mental illness, and the proof of that is in the result.

is it true liberals that have started all the wars in the last 11 years? Is it liberals that plant bombs in crowded shopping areas, or drop missiles onto markets and air-raid shelters? Is it liberals that want to ethnically cleanse areas?

(i am not using the contempory American sense of "liberal" here, but the true historical philosophical/European meaning).

no, it is not liberalism that is the "mental illness", it is the opposite. It is that desire to make everything "pure", and to enforce upon everyone else this false "purity", no matter the cost to them.

the nazis created WW2, concentration camps. The liberals created the post-war world, with rising incomes, peace and prosperity. It is the right-wing 'neo-liberals' post '79 who have created the conditions for a rigid class system again. It is the liberal UKUncut that are fighting it, along with the liberal majority of the population in the UK.

no, it is *definitely* not Liberalism that is the sign of mental illness. Imho.


"The road to hell is often paved with good intentions"

so where does the Road of Bad Intentions lead? Just out of curiosity?? ^_^


#84 mV:
"Maybe a wide range of opinions should be evaluated and considered before judgements are made (i.e. non egocentric ones). Some would judge that you too are guilty of only seeing things the way that you want to see them."

thanks for your criticism here, mV, and i'll bear that in mind.


#85 S-L: you realise your arguments there would lead to the break-up of the UK, if applied to it? Despite which (your euro-sceptia), i tend to agree with your post.

will check out this CLOUD stuff when have chance and in mood.


#89 Jeri: "Susan Watts should take it up although she seems firmly in the anthropogenic camp. There are anthropogenic aspects but no where near as strong as most 'scientists' would have us believe."

however there are no doubts whatsoever about the anthropogenic nature of global environmental destruction. It is not cosmic/solar rays that are causing deforestation, nor poisoning our oceans, streams, rivers, lakes and seas. It is not cosmic/solar rays that is causing monoculture, the draining of the continental water-tables, and the subsequent droughts and desertification. It is not cosmic/solar rays that are injecting incredible amounts of hormones and antibiotics into vast cattle/meat factories, breeding the conditions for pandemics. It is not cosmic/solar rays that is causing the wars, and the profiteering, and the genocides. It is not cosmic/solar rays that is causing Mankind to turn the entire Earth into one big giant Easter Island.

no, that is not cosmic/solar rays, that is Humankind's handiwork. And it is future generations for 100s of years that will pay the incredible price for the decades of insanity. And some STILL do not wish for that insanity to end. And they will lie, and obfuscate, and subvert, and do everything they can to maintain the status-quo, and prevent the necessary changes.


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from last night:

the norwegian - what press did he read? Who owns it?


the Good norwegians: do not feel guilty tomorrow [today] about listening in to the terrorist. For knowing what he said, and his justifications, will better enable you to answer and discredit those beliefs.

remember this is a man who believed that planting bombs, and massacring innocent children, was justified in order to start a program of ethnic-racial cleansing across Europe. He SHOULD be given a platform, so all sensible, normal, moral and sane citizens can reject his arguments. For what kind of human CAN believe such? And the BBC journo was entirely wrong: he DID NOT need to slaughter defenceless children to "get a platform", - like everybody else, he could express his views through the internet. This was not a "desperate attempt to be heard", it was an act of cold-blooded terrorism, in order to start ethnic cleansing and probably "death camps".

peace.

[and the timing is truly extraordinary also, as the wing-nut media is in such crisis!......?] I would *DEFINITELY*, if i were the Norge authorities, be interested in what media (especially Press), this terrorist read, and if it turns out that the press was openly racist/Islamophobic, then the owners editors AT THE VERY LEAST should make a Public apology, for whatever part they have played in this tragedy.