Friday 22 October 2010

I'M FUZZY ABOUT THE WHOLE FAIRNESS THING.

We should be more concerned that the cuts are 'nice' or 'agreeable' or even 'the right thing to do' going forward. Fairness, is such a woolly concept.

But no doubt Definitive Dave and Nearly-perfect Nick have put those two scrubbed, clean-shaven heads together, and defined 'fairness' to a cucumber 'T'.

Oh it's all going awfully, frightfully, fairly jolly well.

“It needs to be made clear to the Palestinians that they have to give up this pipe dream that their Arab and Europeans friends will give them a state without them having them to make concessions or sacrifices,” said Foxman."

Foxman:
US must stop Palestinians from declaring state, Jerusalem Post

Can someone (Mark Urban?) please explain to us why Mr Foxman has said this? How can there be a two state solution if there aren't two states?
Israel declared itself a state in 1948. A NN piece on the logic (and there must be some surely?) would be helpful. Is there any hint of paranoia here by Mr Murdoch? There are actually some sane voices about all this being voiced both in Israel and by some Jewish people abroad. Those voices need to be heard more clearly I suggest. Spoilt children grow up to be narcissists - but what if it is in the genes?.

Speaking of which, Cheryl Cole says she doesn't get men.

Men get Cheryl though and that's a Y thing probably. Does Cheryl want to get men do you think? Or is she happy just looking nice?
Does she even know why she likes that?

Reply to .....

At 7:55pm on 21 Oct 2010, tabblenabble02 wrote:

As with my recent rant on ADHD ( and now the Upper House reprobates) the real issue I have is with regard to the ‘choice’ - in this particular case, the free reign nay ‘obligation’ - to excuse responsibility due to a ‘handy’ label.

I read your posts on the subject of ‘genetic disparity’ and think - and I’m not being patronising here - it’s so loobdy obvious but they still don’t listen i.e. choose not to hear. Why? For the very reasons you explain so well.

But they still won’t listen!

Over the years I have had the good fortune to work with many students whom, for a variety of reasons, have been written off, sidestepped (thru’ fear of ....) or ‘allowed’ to drop to the - academic - bottom. The reality IMVHO is that once they have been ‘educated’ to understand that they can no longer hide behind their - safety blanket - label e.g. poverty, race, parent numbers, ADHD et al there is invariably an improvement in attainment!

(And the key as to how - in this instance - to “educate” is plain and simple!)

OK! So they won’t all be Neurophysicists, Economists or Newsnight Luvvies but ....



As for Teachers .... (aka ‘Omnipotent Ones’ or ‘The blind by choice’ )

You say .....

Quote. They are not alchemists, as I'm sure you must well know. Unquote.

Absolutely! But as I am sure you will agree some demonstrate a pretty good penchant for changing one thing into another!

But now is not the best time to get into the maelstrom of ‘relative values’.

The real handicap that they - all within the entire education structure and, particularly, their ‘masters’ sic - endure is that they ‘surrender to’, hide, have no alternative but to hide or are forced to hide behind their own little structure of ‘labels’ aka Flak defenses.

IMVHO the most destructive “label” ever applied to the Education ‘system’ is ....

“Race Inequality”

Whom, how and why this act of ‘hiding’ has been allowed stroke made to happen? You’ve explained that more than adequately many, many times.

But where is the willing in the ‘system’ to consider and apply effective solutions?

I suspect that you know the answer as well as I .

But ‘they’ still won’t listen!

Why not?

I know that you know the answer just as well as me.



There you go Nn production team, a possible ‘item’ for you ...

“Is racism’ (and religion) destroying the education system?”





P.PS. sic

In view of the fact that - another - ream of Theses could be written on the subject I have necessarily excluded those Teachers whom can only be described as grossly incompetent and hide beyond another set of excuses. ....

Oops! Sorry! ....

Labels.


And .... Oh yes!

Reaction to last paragraph .......


At 10:12am on 22 Oct 2010, JunkkMale wrote:


People don’t know the half of it .........

It really is one of the most protected, destructive, secretive and deceitful structures stroke bureaucracies I have ever experienced ...... And that includes Politics!

We’iz all goin’ down! ....

Fast!

What!

An audience!

Nah! Nah! Nah!

Has someone fed me Pounds, shillings and pence!

Perhaps someone could also ask Francis Maude why a Government that is supposed to be committed to ending the Quango state and fostering the
private sector retained the venally corrupt, anti-competitive, bloated
British Council but axed the FCO budgetary grant to BBC World Service?

Were they knobbled by vested interests? And why was Jeremy Hunt MP the
Culture Secretary applying pressure on the BBC when HM Treasury itself
had by then got settlements with departments with cash to spare? Does
he agree that this looks very odd to outsiders - not least given Hunt's
intimate links with British Council through his old company Hotcourses?

#2

You've claimed yourself, table2, that you are i'n touch with VIPs, why don't you then ask Mr Foxman yourself?

#3

All? I can think of a few of us that are going up.

3. At 5:15pm on 22 Oct 2010, JAperson wrote:

You say .....

Quote. They are not alchemists, as I'm sure you must well know. Unquote.

Absolutely! But as I am sure you will agree some demonstrate a pretty good penchant for changing one thing into another!"

What they do is take emerging, (genetically) emitted operant levels (classes) of behaviour and find apposite areas where these can be productively expressed and reinforced. That is not changing behaviours, it's a skilled process of selecting and reinforcing behaviours.

"Whom, how and why this act of ‘hiding’ has been allowed stroke made to happen? You’ve explained that more than adequately many, many times.

But where is the willing in the ‘system’ to consider and apply effective solutions?"

My guess is Rawls and a) The Difference Principle plus taking The Original Position's 'Veil of Ignorance' far too literally and b) human greed, exploitation and, the rolling back of regulation/governance (the state), without which one increases the likelihood of injustices and anarchism as the population runs dysgenically (see Lagos Nigeria).

The greedy don't care. They just want consumers, the more feckless the better, especially if money can be funnelled to entrepreneurs who prey upon them, from taxpayers after the Executive arm of Governance has been rolled back of course, that arm is egregiously vilified as fascist by anarchists!

"1. At 4:47pm on 22 Oct 2010, barriesingleton wrote:
I'M FUZZY ABOUT THE WHOLE FAIRNESS THING.

We should be more concerned that the cuts are 'nice' or 'agreeable' or even 'the right thing to do' going forward. Fairness, is such a woolly concept."

Perhaps because you delight in being incorrigibly ineducable?

An earlier comment to Mason's blog on the Clegg-IFS issue. I'd be interested in other readers comments on this point (aside from remarks about the typos etc) as it's all too often missed, but is, I suggest, what this is really all about in the long-term. It's been aired in these blogs for some time now as regulars will know, but it needs to be more openly discussed. There is a marked inequality in the population, which few seem to notice, and it's not where most think it is either, nor is it's effect clear to most, it's insidious. Left to its own entropic course, it breeds vulnerable consumers and in the longer term, national decline as a consequence. See Lagos post.

:p Oh crumbs......

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/8081366/Wikileaks-documents-expected-to-be-released-as-Nato-warns-of-unfortunate-situation.html

Fairness, schmairness

I think we all understand that the rolling media need to fill the vacuum between the Coalition's statement of intent and the effective implementation of their proposals, but do we have to have this continual prattle about "fairness"?

Ask them about the specific measures they have taken and will take to stimulate growth and don't just accept a list of activities; query the effect of each stated measure; eg "In what ways will this measure stimulate growth; what are your estimates of job creation via this measure and how have you calculated them?". This approach applies to the Opposition as well.

As Alistair Darling said yesterday and as Mary Dejevsky alluded in the Independent today, fairness is irrelevant but clearly what the Coalition want to talk about; it avoids the hard questions like why the banks have been let out of jail with a £2billion levy when they were all expecting £6billion- and even at that rate, they would not have jumped ship to Singapore.

The media need to grow up a bit, stop swallowing the hook and ask tricksy questions; forget the fairness debate, it's a dead end.What about growth, Paxo? Or is it sufficient to search continually in interviews for that elusive "Michael Howard moment"? Methinks even Paxo knows he must move on after the "date" incident with Ms. May.

Maybe it merely indicates that for all the knowing cynicism, the Newsnight team are in the same queue as Alan Johnson for the A-level Economics Primer.

And finally; IDS did NOT say people should get on the bus and look for work; he was highlighting the extreme parochialism of Wales with the example of the unemployed in Merthyr stating "there's no jobs" yet in Cardiff, there were plenty, they just hadn't bothered to look, believing that the jobs should come to them , not the other way round.

A piece of lazy journalism, not the proudest ever moment for Esler.

Never mind, off to Frankfurt tomorrow, where business is booming, the economy's on the upswing and no-ones jibbering about "fairness".

@1 barriesingleton

FAIR = Doubleplusgood
UNFAIR = Doubleplusungood

For anyone who doesn't understand the above terms see-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak

To illustrate this

Money to support banks commiting fraud and bankers bonuses - FAIR

Money to spy on you and me, just incase we might voice some disapproval - FAIR

Money for war for foreign governments who themselves support terrorism against you and me, e.g. the USA - FAIR

Money to help Britons who have spent their lives trying their best to do the right thing by themselves, their families and their country - UNFAIR

I hope that clears up any misunderstandings.

TURBO PROP (#13)

Thanks for your support Turbo - I shall wear it always.

I think I prefer compassion to fairness (although when put before 'Conservatism' it is somewhat emetic). It is so apparent that politicians and advertisers alike, employ the crass slogan; both are looking to control us, to their advantage. As I have posted before: Politics is the art of self-delusion, wrapped in the craft of deceiving others, for 'their own good'. It is the most despicable of occupations, utterly without honour, doubly so in that they carry that enhancement without a sign of embarrassment.

If ever our governance achieves slogan-free compassion for the people of these islands, as their PRIMARY AIM (rather than puffed up world status) we shall have moved forward. For now, the deeply 'un-fair' will continue to display the unprepossessing face of politics, in their synthetic, manipulative espousal of 'fairness'.

Comment on ....

10. At 7:42pm on 22 Oct 2010, tabblenabble02 wrote:

Particularly ....

Quote. .... See Lagos post. ..... Unquote


Little doubt about what you say which begs the question ......

“Where does the London Borough of Tower Hamlets go from here?”

https://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/oct/22/tower-hamlets-mayoral-poll-labour

And how do you deal with a pending problem if your superior sic has a poster on the inside of his office door i.e. with the intent of ‘being read’, every time he - or another - leaves the room ......

“If a person believes it to be racist ... then it is!”

Which, to me, only says .....

“I will only deal with ‘it’ according to someone else’s rules!”



We’iz all goin’ down! .... 

Fast!

‘Coz the Pilot is no longer in charge of the ‘plane!

LET HIM WHO IS WITHOUT DISCRIMINATION CHOOSE THE FIRST STONE. (#15)

Racism is so last year. I shall stick to hate crime.

#13

It doesn't seem to be the question of voiciing disapproval but either some extraordinarily interesting quality or vile methods used.

Compris ou jamais?

#14

If it's true that you prefer compassion to fairness, you have to prove it to me. First of all, who is it that you feel compassion for in particular and secondly, wouldn't you say that if one is really compassionate, the politicians, as viewed by the likes of you, also deserve some?

#15

Is it you the pilot who's lost control, or are you talking of anybody else, ja?

Who was the obvious Tory Central Office plant in the audience for the Francis maude interview?

Are we supposed to believe it is a coincidence that the UK gov decided to release the post mortem report for Dr david Kelly on the same day as the astonishing Wikileaks publication.. ''to maintain confidence''

Are they serious?


This is very very bad for the states, but i wonder what light it will also shed on the UK in all of this with our covert Catholic prime minister overseeing that period in our history.

This all looks extremely ugly to me and could blow the USA's moral Authority (such as it is ) on the world stage into smitherines.

How will they react?

How will attitudes to the USA, its currency and its bonds change in the world through this.


This looks really serious to me, perhaps not immediately, but the reprocussions of the removal of 'the benefit of the doubt' concerning some western powers conduct in the world coupled with a time when they are weak economically could be enough to tip the balance into some form of economic collapse.

The few friends they have will be running for the exits now to appease their population (especially in the middel east) as oppose to a phased withdrawal from over relience on USA consumption and technology.


Hilary Clinton was right to be concerned about the 'risk to life' this leak poses in the world, what she failed to mention is that her nation created that risk in the first instance, wiki-leaks only exposed it.

It seems extraordinary that the discussion tonight about the impact of the cuts and their fairness had such a limited representation of the "general public".
Given some of the cruelest cuts to benefit are for those on ESA and DLA, why was no one in receipt of these benefits on the programme to question Maude about these? Very disapointing BBC!

12. At 9:05pm on 22 Oct 2010, kashibeyaz wrote:

"Never mind, off to Frankfurt tomorrow, where business is booming, the economy's on the upswing and no-ones jibbering about "fairness"."

Perhaps just not when you're in earshot?

"Now suddenly the talk is of an immigrant-bashing, Islam-hating Germany nostalgic for the firm leadership of the 1940s. Why? And which is the real Germany?

"The person responsible for spoiling the mood is Thilo Sarrazin, an obscure member of the Bundesbank’s board, who in August published a controversial book, Deutschland schafft sich ab (“Germany does away with itself”). The dour economist reached this conclusion—surprising in light of Germany’s splendid economic performance—from his reading of the demographic future: with the country's population shrinking overall, immigrants and the underclass are having too many children, well-educated native Germans too few. Biologically, culturally and professionally Germany is dumbing down, Mr Sarrazin argued (and was then forced out of his job)"

Deja vu?

13. At 9:09pm on 22 Oct 2010, turbojerry wrote:

"I hope that clears up any misunderstandings."

Except, that it's rather important to appreciate that said author was probably instrumental in bringing all this to pass, contributing to an entire generation anarchistically pulling down almost everything what their parents had worked hard to secure for them.

"14. At 9:34pm on 22 Oct 2010, barriesingleton wrote:

I think I prefer compassion to fairness (although when put before 'Conservatism' it is somewhat emetic). It is so apparent that politicians and advertisers alike, employ the crass slogan; both are looking to control us, to their advantage. As I have posted before: Politics is the art of self-delusion, wrapped in the craft of deceiving others, for 'their own good'."

Is that how you chemically concocted and successfully marketed and sold (no doubt with added value) to your eager consumers? Enlighten us as to how businesspersons peddle anything different to politicians. Did you not stand as an Independent in this great liberal-democracy which appears to equate profitability with success..

"And how do you deal with a pending problem if your superior sic has a poster on the inside of his office door i.e. with the intent of ‘being read’, every time he - or another - leaves the room ......

“If a person believes it to be racist ... then it is!”"

What you do there is point out that there's legislation which also makes it an offence to bring false and malicious allegations, and that under the new Equality Act (2010) (which replaces much previous legislation) one can't so readily use having a Protected Characteristic as justification for making an allegation, pointing out that just because one thinks something true, it doesn't necessarily make it true (cf. paranoia), just that one can bring a case if one thinks one has evidence. There are plenty of cases where such false and malicious allegations never get to a tribunal, never mind a court, and where the plaintiff very effectively hoists themselves by their own petard.

The fact is that most people are not racist. But then, most people don't seem to know that discrimination of differences between races isn't racism, it's just anthropology and biology!

On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life"

Not to mention the basis of Differential Psychology, or the Psychology of Individual Differences. I reckon some folk just didn't want others to know who they were as a group, or what they were up to as a group, and hoped anti-racism would help cover their tracks. The clear message to them is: it hasn't worked.

"HOW WILL THEY REACT?" IN A WORD - ARROGANCE (#21)


Neither 'western' politicians nor senior Catholics care a fig for Johnnie Muslim. He is expendable. This is the mentality of the African slave trade, and the worst of colonisation. 'They' have no souls. When you get a 'closet Catholic', who is also a megalomaniac whitey, Johnnie Muslim is a 'price worth paying. Indeed - he grants a war against evil-doers, on their land, that generates 'heroes' to be 'worn' in Parliament. What more could a posturing, nobody desire?

The height of inanity was reached when Derring-do Dave told a Harrier pilot what a fine aircraft it is.

Oh - it's all going awfully well for Dave. Nick - of course - must lump it.

TIRESOME TORY LINE

Over and over they trot out the 'Labour legacy' as the cause for cuts. Time and again it is rebutted with the USA-induced monetary crisis. Neither side admits both are relevant.

Maude a depressingly 'straight bat'.

Maude, Osborne, Clegg & Cameron appear to have committed the most fatal blunder in politics - they clearly believe their own PR.

The picture the ConDems seek to paint is of tough Tories being moderated by caring LibDems to produce a "fair" method to make "unavoidable" spending cuts, "in the national interest."

I think they are genuinely upset with the IFS criticism and believe it is wrong - hence the assault by Clegg today and the Maude charm offensive - why are we in anyway surprised at this?

But is a +/- 2% impact on the richest/poorest really that interesting - and are the forecasts really that accurate anyway? For me it's a pretty sterile debate.... even thought I'm sure those at the bottom are getting it in the neck either way.

What I feel is completely unfair is the whole idea of a coalition government taking power with the LibDems who did not seek a mandate for these policies at the election at all (nor actually get one as the LibDems ran on exactly the opposite policy of slower, less deep cuts)- so why should they be able to take this huge political gamble with everyone's future in this way?

Their glib claim that the private sector will generate 2.7M NET new jobs, invest £400 Bn+ in new capacity and raise exports by a third by the next election is a very dangerous delusion. It would require UK PLC to outperform even the most successful developed economies, at a time of severe constraints on growth in our key export markets and a weak home market to boot - the deflationary impact of £128 Bn reduction in spending on aggregate demand is anywhere from £500 Bn to £1 Tn - GCSE economics tells you that this is going to stop the recovery dead in its tracks, at the very least. Look across the Irish Sea to see what the worst case scenario looks like...

The other unfair aspect to thie programme is the way we are being told that the size of the public sector and its cost IS the problem - when the most successful economy in Europe - Germany - has a larger public sector that we do - so why aren't they even deeper in debt than we are?

The real problem is we import too much and we borrow too much to pay for it - regardless of how big or small the public sector is.

We don't employ enough of our workforce in productive jobs making things, and we have used the public sector to "soak up" the surplus workforce; we have allowed a low wage, low skill service economy to develop as well as letting the financial services & banking industry run amok, with the public finances hooked on tax revenues from the City to pay for it.

Simply tipping people out of public sector jobs into an economy starved of manufacturing jobs won't solve anything - and if those people don't find jobs, all that will have happened is that instead of paying them to be in government service, we're going to pay them to sit at home and do nothing, having paid their redundancy costs too.

What is also fundamentally unfair is to deliberately ignore and misrepresent what the economic problem really is, to take this massive gamble that most people voted against and to fail to address the central problem of unfair trade and industrial decline.

It is not the fault of those losing their public sector jobs that the economy has been run in this way - neither is it the fault of those who find themselves better off on benefits rather than taking one of the low paid service economy jobs - it's the fault of successive governments in failing to arrest the decline of British manufacturing and being totally supine to the laissez faire economics of globalisation, allowing rigged trade and currency markets to rip the guts out of our industries, whilst the City grew to monstrous, unmanageable proportions, gambled and lost big time, then came cap in hand to joe public to bail them out.

Fairness demands that the economy is run in the interests of the British people, not those getting fat on globalisation.

Slashing public sector jobs solves nothing - and banging on about welfare reform won't change anything either.

Ian Duncan Smith quotes figures for "new" jobs and claims all that needs to happen is to "make work pay" and marry up those out of work to the available jobs. But his figures are not the NET NEW jobs - once you look at the real trend and the nature of these jobs, you rapidly discover they are low paid, part time jobs that are only just keeping up with the level of job loses elsewhere. Throw in a million public sector jobs lost, a big shakeout in construction, defence, etc and it's not going to be too long until there will be Labour posters showing long dole queues, with the caption:

"ConDemed to the dole queue - the Coalition isn't working."

Deja vu?

Wikileaks:

Watch out for the Chinese style US Govt control proposal of the internet.
Well, its not gonna be so much a proposal, but more a well planned agenda push for "controlling infomation" (read crushing dissent) The rise of the internet has been the biggest threat to the Governing elites ambitions for ever more global control. Not really hard to spot whats going on really, go listen to the players at the top, read their books etc, they don't even bother hiding their agenda. I myself saw this leak coming months ago and knew it would come within the month of october, just before the elections in the US. Some say the leak came via Fox. You don't need a crystal ball for this, you just have to watch the game.

#30

On one hand it's good and important to know the truth, especially what really happened in Iraq /and elsewhere/ under G W Bush but on the other hand the true facts that WilkLeaks have made known to the public may put the current allied forces, as well as Iraqis, at risk and in danger. Do we really want more and more people die for the sake of the 'game'? Is it game for fame, a fight for might or bunny for money?

Monika

15

"And how do you deal with a pending problem if your superior sic has a poster on the inside of his office door i.e. with the intent of ‘being read’, every time he - or another - leaves the room ....."
.“If a person believes it to be racist ... then it is!”"

One of the other things to bear in mind is that mental age varies independently of chronological age, and that both the sexes and different ethnic groups mature at different rates, where those who mature early also plateauing early - which can be said to be as relative arrested cognitive development. Thus, what some think and believe to be fact is just child-like fantasy and irrationality as a consequence. That doesn't mean that one has to accept such child like behaviour as having equal status in the world. just child like. Behaving otherwise is how many have gone wrong, and wrecked their workplaces if not countries, but that's what Civil Rights, Women's Liberation etc was designed to do, it was designed to subvert, and it worked very well.

Just stand up to it, as it's nonsense.


30. At 04:26am on 23 Oct 2010, kevseywevsey wrote:

""Watch out for the Chinese style US Govt control proposal of the internet. Well, its not gonna be so much a proposal, but more a well planned agenda push for "controlling infomation" (read crushing dissent) The rise of the internet has been the biggest threat to the Governing elites ambitions for ever more global control."

That sounds about right. These 'leaks' are appear to be largely dross, but will be used as you say I suspect.

https://www.newamericancentury.org/index.html

29. At 04:11am on 23 Oct 2010, richard bunning wrote:

"Fairness demands that the economy is run in the interests of the British people, not those getting fat on globalisation."

Psychopaths/narcissists see other (than their own kind) as sources of supply. They only care about people as means to their ends. This is very hard for normal people to grasp. I suggest you look into this carefully.

What the Con-Dems are, as agents of financial predators behind them, after is the annual tax revenues which used to be regulated by an army of regulators in the Public Sector/Civil Service. Once these tax revenues assets are further devolved to schools, prisons, health centres etc (they already have been to a large extent in recent decades), my bet is the money will flow into trusts, which will be used like pension funds to feather the investment nests of the trustees. In bad times, in the downstream services will be cut, and the 'bad times' will become a permanent feature of their economy, as those services will just be serving as a front for those who control the cash cow. The trustees will be operating essentially as fund managers.

This is what these 'Snakes in Suits' get up to. They have seen naive workers and tax payers, and they are out to make a killing out of them.
The rate one encounters these types out there at liberty is higher than the rate one encounters them in Secure Hospitals etc.

The truth is out!
https://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/WikiLeaks-Reveals-Iraq-War-Files-Documents-Detail-15000-Previously-Unreported-Civilian-Deaths/Article/201010415768884?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15768884_WikiLeaks_Reveals_Iraq_War_Files%3A_Documents_Detail_15%2C000_Previously_Unreported_Civilian_Deaths

...and it wasn't just the US troops who were torturing and killing Iraqi civilians. British troops were too.....

LEADING BY EXAMPLE (#33)

When your government holds Johnnie Foreigner's life cheap - inflicting UNTOLD PAIN, MISERY AND DEATH, ON A WHIM - and your political leader glories in the heroism of OUR AGGRESSORS, where is the restraint on the psyche of individual squaddies?

Will we be getting Terrible Tony's take on this?

Oh - it's all going hypocritically well.

A Jewish/British/Polish/ piece of news:

https://www.peopleforum.cn/redirect.php?tid=44835&goto=newpost

Regarding a man of and on transformation. It's a really fascinating evolutionary story, in my opinion at least:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zygmunt_Bauman

Monika

When you see the Wayne Rooney's (250K per week), Cheryl Cole's laments, and downstream all the other celebs which include highly paid school 'Future Leaders' running Academies etc, just note that it's all about their vanity, their narcissism, which others are preying upon to make even more money out of them. Behind them are agents and others who take cuts or get control of the money they then get a cut of. The high profile front-persons are happy as they seem to be well looked after, but in reality, they're all just playing a role in a branding, marketing process. This is the venality which socialists have always said is 'unfair'. The problem is, it's now ubiquitous. Even consultants, dentists, doctors heading polyclinics etc. It all preys upon greed and insecurities branded as 'ambition'. To see the price, see the high frequency of relationship, and other symptoms of narcissistic implosion - psychiatric disorders as they realise that supply never quite works out as they envisaged. They're like heroin junkies.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1323031/Meet-Wayne-Rooneys-unsavoury-Mr-20-Per-Cent-agent-Paul-Stretford.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Stretford

https://www.footballfancast.com/2010/10/football-blogs/the-parasites-ruining-football

#35 addendum

One of the other recipients of the Spanish Nobel equivalent Award is Alain Touraine who took active part in the Solidarity Movement in Poland:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Touraine

@ Mim #31 - As Barrie pointed out a few weeks ago, on The Stanford Prison Experiment by Zimbardo, (Source: [Unsuitable/Broken URL removed by Moderator]even the "good" soldiers turn "bad," so I wasn't surprised to see that British troops were torturing and killing Iraqi civilians. Who knows what's really going on in Afghanistan?

Real reason for invading Iraq = Oil
Real reason for invading Afghanistan = US$Trillions of mineral wealth https://bbc.kongjiang.org/www.bbc.co.uk/news/10311752

#38

Do you believe, Mistress76uk, that that's the reason why, after what seemed like prolonged and almost painful considerations, Barack Obama decided in the end to continue keeping the American troups in Iraq and Afghanistan rather than helping both nations, as well as deal with the terrorists threatening the West and not only in fact?

mim

#36

Are you absolutely sure, mr table /whatever the number you 'award' yourself/ that you are not narcisstic, vain, greedy excitement 'wise' and financially. I'm also wondering whether it's not you who steals the identity of others, including those of who you call with disdain 'celebs'?

@ Mim #39 - YES.
The whole world knows Bin Laden is living in Pakistan. If they really wanted to find him, then they would. As for the US troops in Iraq/Afghanistan - why do you think Obama's sent more troops there? Answer - to cut down on the jobless figures.......

WHO ARE THE TERRORISTS?

Iraq war logs: Apache helicopters kill 14 civilians in hunt for insurgents
https://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/22/apache-helicopters-kill-iraqi-civilians?intcmp=239

SHOCK AND AWE = TERROR (#42)

"You are either with Terror or you are with the Terrorists".

Nuff sed. Anyone seen Tony?

Oh - its all going nowhere near Geneva.

#43

It seems to me it's quite an accurate post, this one, singie.

#41

My impression is, though admittedly I do not all the facts, that you are mistaken, Mistress76uk. I simply can't help but trust the Obamas and their motives. And on top of that I do like them. It's, as they say, one of those things.

mim

#45 addendum

And with regard to finding Bin Laden, the real one rather thany any of his pretending and pretentious doubles, if he is still alive and living in Pakistan, it's not an easy job for the Allies to simply go and find him in some cave in the mountains surrounded by his well armed protectors.

As for his assumed doubles, it's just possible that he, or they, pretends he lives in Pakistan to make himiself/themselves more attractive and acceptable. So, to put it bluntly, it's most likely the case of 'stolen' identity.

mim

#44 correction??

It may, of course, that I've misunnderstood your message, singie. If this is indeed the case, let me assure you that despite 'everything' I am having a superb day and the French/Swiss, as well as the Polish, Hungarian and East of Poland sides i'n my blood are doing and mixing just fine or, in fact, better than simply fine, especially since they are aided by the very best and normal of the British spirit.

Monika

Mim: the US don't want to find their best bogeyman. Bin Laden(CIA) and Al Qaeda(CIA) are the best front group for keeping that vast war machine doing what it does best...make a lot of money, weild more international power(resources) and reduce populations. If there is no wars, The US go and create wars...thats what they do best. Have a look at the 30yr Vietnam war/s. for a good example of how the US operates. You don't have a massive military doing nothing do you, and the US don't have natural enemies on their borders, hence thats why the US created, over the last 60yrs, as many conflicts to far flung fields...its good for business...er hello! And today what you are witnessing is an empire on the decline, they are on there way out as a power, and they intend to pull others down with them. They learnt from history that when empires collapse. there will be a chance they will be lorded-over by their old enemies. They won't be havin that, so have planned a pull-down of others...a finacial pulldown, and maybe nuclear war...can you have a guess where that'll spark from?

"41. At 2:07pm on 23 Oct 2010, Mistress76uk wrote:
As for the US troops in Iraq/Afghanistan - why do you think Obama's sent more troops there? Answer - to cut down on the jobless figures......."

Obama is sending the US unemployed to Iraq/Afghanistan?

How did he managed to arrange that in the land of the free and what do they do over there? Do they sell iPhones?

"WE WERE ALL LOSERS - I KINDA THINK PEOPLE HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT"

Nick Clegg's words, on Desert Island Discs, are soooo telling.

Nick turned HIS honourable loss into a dishonourable win. LibDem voters, by the same token, became two time(d) losers.

I suspect it is Nick who NEEDS to forget.

Shakespeare wrote of ambition's effect on the soul - nothing has changed.

#49

Iphones4

1. given the uk was legally responsible for the whole of iraq [see iraq inquiry] then any war crimes, crimes against humanity apply to the uk too.

2. how can it be fair to make the people suffer for bankers debt? maude makes out like it was us who bonus binged buying 'AAA' mortgaged backed securities. Those who did made millions. Every bonus for every failed 'investment' should be clawed back. That would be 'fairness'.

"42. At 3:10pm on 23 Oct 2010, DebtJuggler wrote:
WHO ARE THE TERRORISTS?"

Turbojerry posted on and linked some of the footage back in April 2010, and there was some discussion here then. I wonder how much one can reliably infer given that US enemies would be eager to exploit such opportunities (it must be easy to professionally doctor video, audio etc?). I found myself quickly treating it all as a distraction for this reason.


52. At 7:17pm on 23 Oct 2010, jauntycyclist wrote:

"2. how can it be fair to make the people suffer for bankers debt? maude makes out like it was us who bonus binged buying 'AAA' mortgaged backed securities. Those who did made millions. Every bonus for every failed 'investment' should be clawed back. That would be 'fairness'."

Because what they consider fair is to go to the electorate for a mandate to do as they will politically. Once people vote for them in sufficient numbers to give them that mandate, so long as they don't violate the law, they think it's fair for them to pretty much do as they think fit, given that the electorate has given them a mandate.

For some time now, the basic practicalities of liberal-democratic politics have been clearly spelled out in these pages and NN, and yet, many people still just complain and argue instead of behaving in their bettter interests. Why is that do you think?

Great style: shame about the writing.

More on appearance (fantasy) vs reality. Who is who, and what matters?

Whilst on the subject of image over substance, have you thought about who the Muggles are?

#54

Without the author there would not have been the following, as listed in Free Wikipedia:

List of works
Novels

Sense and Sensibility (1811)
Pride and Prejudice (1813)
Mansfield Park (1814)
Emma (1815)
Northanger Abbey (1818) (posthumous)
Persuasion (1818) (posthumous)
Short fiction

Lady Susan (1794, 1805)
Unfinished fiction

The Watsons (1804)
Sanditon (1817)
Other works

Your 'clever' arguments do not wash with me, mr table. Re: 'muggles' - are trying to imply 'mugs' or 'ordinary' people? Which one would you like to be treated as, a mug or ordinary?

Sir Charles Grandison (1793, 1800)[121]
Plan of a Novel (1815)
Poems
Prayers
Letters

#54

I see that in order to make some strange point about a contemporary author you now resort to using those who passed away ages ago. Where is it supposed to lead, mr 'important'. Why don't you come out of hiding, table, if you're not incarcerated and able to move around? Or just tell us who you are. I know that you're going to say that it's the points that are being made that are of value but considering I do not agree with you on the way about your ways of communication, it doesn't seem to me you have much choice.

@53 tabblenabble02

If the Wikileaks Apache gunship video was not authentic then the Pentagon would have not have tried to suppress it and not arrested Bradley Manning over it. Your argument is contradicted by the known, verifiable facts.

"Because what they consider fair is to go to the electorate for a mandate to do as they will politically. Once people vote for them in sufficient numbers to give them that mandate, so long as they don't violate the law, they think it's fair for them to pretty much do as they think fit, given that the electorate has given them a mandate"

Well as the banking crisis was caused by fraud, then any government intervention to Aid and Abet those acts, or engage in acts of Conspiracy to avoid the bankers facing justice are violations of the law.

For some time now, the basic practicalities of the due process of law have been clearly spelled out in these pages and not by NN (who prefer to ignore what the law says in favour of talking heads spouting untrue, and unquestioned statements on behalf of who ever is 'in power'), and yet, many people still just complain and argue instead of behaving in their better interests. Why is that do you think?

#57

Turbojerry

Me, I shall continue to argue with utmost vehemence and complain against the likes of tabs and people with no hearts to speak of who have been cuddling up to the bankers to raise profits for their own mean ends. Now that the 'project' is being unravelled and failing fast, though they do not seem to have come to terms with it yet, they seem to blame all and soundry, including politicians, writers, celebs, journalists and artists, for their own obvious failure.

mim

#58 correction

I've made a mistake in the spelliing of the word 'sundry' but considering that sounds do play a very important part in the 'project' I'm quite happy, in fact, to have made the mistake.

A piece of news regarding gay sexuality made known to the public:

https://bbc.kongjiang.org/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11613992

But is the sex 'game' project going to come to light? What do you think, mr table?

i've just made an amazing disocvery:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Seeger

As you will see from the link abobe, Mr Seeger not only known for such world famous songs like 'Where have all the flowers gone?', sung notably by himself and Marlene Dietrich, but also, it turns out, but has also been a spokesman for civil rights, against violent revolutions and the Polish Solidarity Movement. I think I shall consider him as one of the extraordinary men currently alive.

Monika

A silly ditty

A silly ditty I thought I might do
Without much ado
After having a bath
Hoping to be still on the venous track.

starting to get a bit suspicious about these studio, audience participation thingies where Jeremy asks the questions and we get the reply from an obvious 'plant' from Tory central office, an the official NuLabour drone that will bore the pants off a dead person, please do a vox pop in the street anything that will earn a little belief that thes guys are for real and not because the producer couldn't be a.....d about trawling around for some decent comment....

@ Tabblenabble #49 - :p of course they don't work mobile phone companies! In the US, it takes a civilian 10 weeks to become a soldier
Source: https://www.goarmy.com/content/goarmy/soldier-life/becoming-a-soldier.html

after that, they are sent out as cannonfodder to try an win an unwinnable war in Afghanistan or Iraq......

PAGEANTRY AND HEROISM (#64)

At least if you are a ten-week, rubbish soldier, you stand a higher chance of becoming a hero. How's that for inane paradox? But then, TECHNOLOGY BASED military confrontation is pretty stupid from the standpoint of 'best man wins'.

Does America celebrate with military display, the way we do? If so, the future is more of the same - megalomaniac leaders, magically elevated in 'democracies', and sending mercenary adventurers to war, backed by jingoistic rhetoric. Yes they can.

Harry Patch? No one was listening.

#62 a dittying update

So here we go
The words will now flow
And it will be about a pole
As my veins are still pumping, dancing and smoking.

The Parliamentarians used to be in the habit of talking
Years ago about climbing up some greasy strange pole.
Though these days they now talk of a treasure
But I haven’t found out its real value and measure.

The pole is a pole
Defining its role
For the sake of the freedom
Against idiotic control.
Freedom of being, freedom of stardom
For the sake of the Kingdom,
Where Her Majesty has been doing so well
And to Whom I’m considering sending more mail.

mim

#63

stevie

I think I know who the 'dead' person is and I suspect he is indeed worried about his pants.

This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

#60 & #66 update

It’s now turning out it’s the pole that is going up
Climbing mountains and flying quite high
Oh my, oh my, oh my, oh my!!!!
I never mind strange words that are said
But I do mind by force to be ‘wed’.

mim

#57 turbojerry
#53 tabblenabble02

The video footage in the link in post #42 occured only 4 days after the similar one that was released by Wikileaks back in April.

Both 'incidents' followed the same MO, whereby the helicopter gunships even attacked and murdered CLEARLY unarmed samaritans who were only trying to recover the injured from the aftermath. It was not clear in the video if any of the initial targets actually had weapons. One or two may have had weapons, but they looked more like cameras with long range lenses.

The mutilated bodies that were blown apart by the cannon fire looked too real to be faked. It was total, sickening, carnage.

The Third attack involving the firing of three rockets into the derelict building that several armed men had entered was total over reaction. All of the attcks occured in densely populated areas, evidenced by a complete 'by-stander' (just walking by as it happened) during the first rocket attack, who was blown to pieces by the blast. There was also the report of a young child (girl) being injured in the first attack -'wounded in the belly'.

These abominations were REAL. They were OBSCENE.

Why would the Wikileaks personnel put themselves at huge personal risk if the footage was not real or the truth?

Remember, these attacks were being done in OUR/the West's name. Tony's troops were in Iraq alongside the Americans at that time.

57. At 01:33am on 24 Oct 2010, turbojerry wrote:
@53 tabblenabble02

"If the Wikileaks Apache gunship video was not authentic then the Pentagon would have not have tried to suppress it and not arrested Bradley Manning over it. Your argument is contradicted by the known, verifiable facts."

Presumably they arrested (and are prosecuting) him because the US military doesn't (usually) encourage its personnel (especially its intelligence officers) to release ANY classified information to the general public which may include US enemies as that puts their forces at risk. This is why it is proscribed. The same is the case for Civil Servants!

What this shows is that some material has been put in the public domain.
What we don't know is a) if this has been intentional by the US command or b) how authentic any of it is (i.e how much of the footage may have been doctored in audio/video and to what ends). Bradley Manning could technically have been arrested even if he'd given out his middle name without authorisation. The military court proceedings may reveal more in time I guess but I'm not holding my breath.

What the general response to release of these data reveals is how most of us are far too willing to believe things based on inadequate information. Military intelligence and psychological warfare is a deadly political/war game. Lives are risked and lives are expended for military and political objectives. It's nasty stuff.

More locally, see the Credit Crunch (private sector) , public vs private (20% of the workforce is in the public sector, 80% is in the private sector! and of that 20% about half work in staff intensive (where the budget goes) education and health) .

As I see it, the Con-Dem anarchists (libertarians) want much smaller local government (i.e regulation) so that they and their privateers in the private sector can get their hands on the tax payers' readies without those Stalinist bureaucrats' getting in the way! It's a con I suggest, see other posts and figures in Paul Mason's blogs.

"Well as the banking crisis was caused by fraud, then any government intervention to Aid and Abet those acts, or engage in acts of Conspiracy to avoid the bankers facing justice are violations of the law.

Fraud and conspiracy are legal terms though. Is not what we are seeing just clever, venal, sleight of hand? Irwin Stelzer made the point on NN that what the bankers were doing may have been venal but it was legal!! Same with these politicians.

As always, I am really just advising extreme caution and critical analysis of the facts. That is, advising others not to jump to conclusions based on limited evidence. The latter is how many of us are misled. I don't think we have enough data is what I am generally pointing out, but I have drawn attention to how the shell game is played. See language and the intensional idioms of propositional attitude. It is clever psychological warfare.

I'm not asserting that you are wrong (I clearly don't have access to the facts), but I'm not asserting that you are right either. I am suggesting it helps to stand back and be highly sceptical. One can see the gaps more clearly that way.

ALL RECENT WARS WERE STAGED IN A LARGE HANGER WITH ADDED CGI. (#70)

What is more, The World Trade Centre is still there. David Copperfield advised on that one. The Bond films were disinformation - Smersh and Spectre are real. They have combined to achieve world domination. The sub that got stuck, was caught in a giant magnetic field they were testing. I would tell more, but like Tony, hey, you know . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfy2JMcyMyA&feature=fvw

Deficit Reduction Plan (fairness)

I find it rather odd that it is claimed that the poorest percentile of the population will be worse off, when the benefit modernisation has not yet been announced in any detail.

The benefit trap is still alive and kicking , those with resources or that are lucky enough to get a job offer which pays enough to cover their families living costs escape its clutches. But those who don't, get trapped and written off by the system. It is the most pernicious government program I have had the misfortune to witness. I can not understand how anyone who has seen it in practice or personally experienced it can say it is fair.

Here is a simple example , someone is claiming Job-seekers while looking for a full time job. Then a friend tells them that a company is looking for a person for one days work, for which the pay is £100. Fortunately the claimant has the required skill-set and looks forward to brushing off the cobwebs and practising their skills , who knows , maybe the company will be impressed with their work that they may send more work opportunities their way in future.
The claimant takes up the one days work, does the work , takes the pay, declares it to the benefit office, all lawfully done.
The benefit agency continues paying their full benefit for two or four weeks (depending how busy they are), then sends a letter explaining that JSA claimants are only allowed to earn £5 extra per week without it effecting their benefit claim, and so goes on to declare that the claimants JSA benefit will be reduced in the following weeks by the amount the claimant earned (less the £5 they are allowed) for that one day of work they did , which by this time was nearly a month ago.

So in the end the claimant is no better off, their is no incentive for them to take work, earn and practice their employable skills.

This defect in the benefit system scales up with the more benefits the claimant is having to claim, it is a pernicious trap that institutionalises social failure in our population and has got to change.

I can understand why some would like a trapped flock , that way they can pontificate their parable of victim-hood and envy instead of dealing with the real problem, which is reversing their legacy of economic failure.

I for one hope the coalition stays its course and makes work pay for the poorest in our country.

HAS ANYONE TOLD NICOTINE NICK HE IS A USER?

All very well speaking five languages, if all you do with them is buy drugs.

Here is a man who judges himself of a clibre to run MY life, but clearly cannot run his own without chemical support. He made it clear it is A NEED on the Marr show

Has Dave closed any user-boozer bars in Westminster yet? Thought not.

:o) Good news!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1323141/The-gun-crazy-women-preparing-blow-Obama-away-mid-term-elections.html

"These abominations were REAL. They were OBSCENE."

That's certainly what some people currently want us to infer.

Read Manning's official charge sheet. What we have is evidence of a low ranking US military soldier being prosecuted for releasing a video (amongst other offences) to unauthorised persons. We don't know for sure at this stage what that video was, or what it comprised, we are inferring a lot (putting a 'narrative' together, from what we have been told and shown. That is how the game is played. At the beginning of August he was still in solitary we are told. he hasn't been tried yet.

It's dangerous to speculate under the circumstances especially given the international politics.

A WIND OR ORATORY IS BLOWING THROUGH AMERICA (#76)

Perhaps those who live by empty rhetoric, die by empty rhetoric? Only today, I heard Michelle still doing the 'yes we can'.

But then - Tony is a chief adviser of some sort to Obama. A man who is THAT good a judge of character, can't fail - can he?

Do you think those two might constitute an Axis of Spin?

"75. At 7:32pm on 24 Oct 2010, Mistress76uk wrote:
:o) Good news!"

From your link:

'Kristi can drive a tractor and she can drive a combine harvester,'
says Kone.

'She managed her huge family farm when her father died in an accident and she had to come home from college. But those aren't the reasons we're pushing so hard to get her elected.

'Obama and the Democrats have been dragging us towards socialism. That healthcare bill and his so-called economic stimulus package are driving America down a hole so deep that if we don't start trying to get out of it now, it could take us a hundred years. That's why we need people like Kristi.' "

Were you being ironic? Or do you seriously think we need more unbridled capitalism/anarchism? If the latter, please explain your rationale.

It's good to see that the Law is catching up with 'naughty' bloggers and internet companies:

https://bbc.kongjiang.org/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-11610510

https://bbc.kongjiang.org/www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11616582

mim

#75

I've read the link and it doesn't seem to me that these ladies are either particularly sensible and caring,, Mistress76uk.

#76 tn02

Wikileaks: release 'politically motivated', Iraq's prime minister claims
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/8084022/Wikileaks-release-politically-motivated-Iraqs-prime-minister-claims.html

Maybe the timing of the release was for political motives, but it doesn't diminish the barbarity of these acts carried out by US forces.

Tony Blair's sister-in-law converts to Islam
https://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/oct/24/lauren-booth-converts-to-islam

'Tony Blair's sister-in-law has converted to Islam after having what she describes as a "holy experience" during a visit to Iran. Journalist and broadcaster Lauren Booth, 43 – Cherie Blair's sister – now wears a hijab whenever she leaves her home, prays five times a day and visits her local mosque whenever she can.'

I bet the Blair’s Christmas trip to the in-laws might be a bit more interesting this year...or do you think they’ll leave it until Mawlid?

Robert Fisk: The shaming of America
https://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-the-shaming-of-america-2115111.html

‘As usual, the Arabs knew. They knew all about the mass torture, the promiscuous shooting of civilians, the outrageous use of air power against family homes, the vicious American and British mercenaries, the cemeteries of the innocent dead. All of Iraq knew. Because they were the victims.’

‘The shooting of men trying to surrender. In February 2007, an Apache helicopter killed two Iraqis, suspected of firing mortars, as they tried to surrender. A military lawyer is quoted as saying: "They cannot surrender to aircraft and are still valid targets."’

War is always a dirty business Debt whichever side you're on. We should never have been in Iraq, or Afganistan, but once started there will always be atrocities.

I'll tell you one of world war 2. My mother in law and her parents along with many hundreds of their neighbours, walked from Lille to Brittany to avoid the Germans. They became thousands in the end, during this march, a small group of Germans found them, the French then murdered them. Once the Germans caught up with one group of walkers they stopped them, they separated all the men and boys, and left the females on the road. These males were all herded into a field, they didn't know why, my grandfather in law with them.

He spoke a bit of german from the first world war, and got chatting to a soldier, they had both been fighting in the same battle in the Somme, my grandfather in law was only 16 at the time. The German soldier told him to run for it and hide, which he did. Then the Germans machine gunned the whole field full of men and boys, and left them there to die, they all did. All unarmed civilians, the Germans did it in retaliation for a few of them being murdered. A great many innocents died, I don't think there was any enquiry or wikileaks in those days.

War is terrible, we should take more notice of men like Harry Patch that Barrie mentioned.

#75

In my opinion , the TaxedEnoughAlready Party seem to want to dump President Clinton's Third Way policy and head back towards the policies President Reagan advocated.

#86

If it hadn't been for that chat, Ecolizzy, you wouldn't have the children that you have.

mim

For Tabblenabble02 @#78 and anyone else - yes my post at #75 was ironic!

"87. At 09:00am on 25 Oct 2010, Mistress76uk wrote:
For Tabblenabble02 @#78 and anyone else - yes my post at #75 was ironic!"

That's a relief.

Do you not think we have a major problem on our hands? If more and more child-like-to-be people keep being produced, and less and less grown-up-to-be people are being born, it doesn't bode well for most of us, does it? Just the few who can venally take candy from them with impunity, as I see it.

"85. At 00:35am on 25 Oct 2010, Steve-London wrote:
#75

"In my opinion , the TaxedEnoughAlready Party seem to want to dump President Clinton's Third Way policy"

Giddens clearly didn't like Anatoly's analysis (it was largely purged), but then, from many of the other comments, who could possibly have ever been taken in by such centrist, inert, political 'rhetoric'? It was 'do nothing anarchism' was it not? Something which was surely all concocted in the USA by empathy-free libertarians.

From your link:

"One of its central aims is to protect the modern welfare state through reforms that maintain its economic integrity."

Dump out of the frying pan back into the fire.

STORM IN A TEACUP (#87)

Terrible waste of irony 76! There are far more deserving tagets for that mode of expression. YES THERE ARE!

#75

You are excused then, Mistress76uk
Are you OK and are you all right?
The day today is sunny and bright!!!!
And so are the Obamas, sunny and light.
As light as the circumstances permit them to be.
They are doing a great job with many a kid.

mim

Jon Sopel goes to hospital with a broken hip on a scooter! I wish him a speedy receovery.
https://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23890521-jon-sopel-rode-scooter-to-a-and-e-after-crash-with-broken-hip.do

#92

So do I. Mistress76uk, and I'm sure many a jurno colleague of his, including tonight's team who might just be kind enough to pass on our best wishes for a speedy recovery to him, please.

Monika

#90

I suppose you wouldn't care but would you really like to see something similar in the press read by millions of people, singie?

mr table

You might expire if you yourself
Keep 'weaving' yourself from the frying pan into the fire
I can just envisage you up in the 'flames'
But there will be no one for you left to apportion the blame

written on the hoof in a mere few moments
with the Sun caressing my nose and my cheeks
An excellent antidotum for harassing creeps

I don't think I shall award myself four stars for this ditty
but hope that some others will consider it witty
a bit at least for the final feast

mim

Whoever started the 'game' and abuse,
And what is its use?,
Should have studied heart mathematics
Before developing his tactics.

The 'genius' who likes wearing jeans
Will go down in history as one of the beasts.
So please the followers notice with care
Or you will be condemned to a similar fate.

Monika

#89

The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they know about what they imagine they can design.

"97. At 9:05pm on 25 Oct 2010, Steve-London wrote:
#89

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they know about what they imagine they can design."

Still under Gosplan, Gosbank etc, and the Chinese equivalent today, it fared reasonably well until they went soft, as it did here in the 40s and 50s. The problem seems to be a) the wrong sorts of people (a variant of the British Rail complaint), which is a breeding problem (the China angle), and black market etc crime (again, a breeding people problem).
It's always the breeding people! Politics and economics would be fine if it wasn't for all those breeding people! ;-)