Friday 28 May 2010

is it not surprising that before drilling began no one asked 'what if' questions and then had solutions already tested? but then that would be a society building science and we know we don't have that.

did no one ever think a leaking pipe a mile under water was a possibility?

Gango. I see you did your research on Reich. Wakopedia. oh dear, you fell into that trap of pulling up only the popular controversial stuff eh.
Er yeah:
and David Bowie once released a single called the Laughing Gnome...the fool!

Anyhow, wing Commander Gango. I'm off to Manny airport to take flight to some Russian outpost. So you'll be in charge. If the Jerries make an attack, you know what to do and keep Hargreaves covering your left flank only, remember, he's only got the one eye. I'll be meeting a butcher in Vilnius -lovely place, beautiful women - I'll bring back some pork chops for the chaps and the dog. Wing Commander Gango.. if i don't make it back, look after trigger for me won't you.

Although it might not seem like it at the moment, the USA is lucky that the company concerned in this disaster is BP. They have the resources, both financial and in terms of expertise, and are best placed to deal with this. Also, they are an extremely 'responsible'(that old-fashioned word) company. This WILL be fixed - the problem is how long it will take, not because BP are holding back, but due to the complexity and the unknowns they are facing. Give them a chance - I know it seems like it's taking forever - but these guys are working 24/7 - it's their Earth too!

It doesn't look like they've stopped the leak to me!

https://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/homepage/STAGING/local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html

On the oil spill you get the feeling that the oil and chemical dispersant could leave a legacy for a decade.

I understand then on the regulatory front we are way ahead of the US but as we prospecting in the South Atlantic I wonder whether there should be a requirement for a "doomsday" shutdown like an emergency shutdown valve if the valve loses a signal from the rig.

You just can't have millions of barrels of oil floating about.

"Former home secretary David Blunkett said today he was considering suing the Government for the £30 cost of his ID card, after it was announced that holders of the documents will not be compensated when they are abolished. "

Who cares as the scheme was a bureaucrats dream and an audit office nightmare.

As many have suggested why not sue him for the millions wasted on the scheme that nobody wanted.

The rabbit Campbell said of Question Time:

"Along with their plans to pack the Lords with new Tory and Liberal peers and the dodgy 55% rule, the coalition's talk of new politics sounds more and more like the politics of a dim and distant past."

Does he mean like dodgy dossiers and 45 minutes claims and Iraq and wailing that he was being "vilified" when he was asked perfectly reasonable questions about Iraq.

Does this in fact show that Campbell is to be a high profile person in the New Labour/Labour camp and that the "sofa politics" of old are not dead?

I know that the EHRC were able to freeze membership to the BNP as they had failed to comply with their legal requirements on racial membership rules.

The BNP must have lost a lot of money in the election due to lost deposits and so on.

So are they really freezing membership and are they bust?

Also as I have said many times does this not show that they actually do know that there is no scientific basis or ethical argument for their desired procedures as they have not even attempted to cite scientific papers and so on in an appeal against the EHRC?

'the biggest environmental disaster in history?'

Lets not get carried away shall we.

Didn't an massive planet size asteroid or what ever smash into earth and the fall out was the moon some billions of years ago ?

And massive volcanoes have done plenty more.

#2 kevseywevsey

"I'm off to Manny airport to take flight to some Russian outpost."

No doubt and you will have Kirsty Wark in tow along with the "orgostone energy accumulator". I daresay that was the Woody Allen source for the orgasmotron in "Sleeper".

In the meantime I will struggle on with my life and I will always remember the English "nationalist" who is NOT the BNP thinks well of "the Griff" and bragged of throwing bottles at the "British" Army.

I won't elaborate.

By the way on David Bowie think of that gay pub that was blown up some years back in London and "the Griff" commenting that the victims were "disgusting creatures".

'Also, they are an extremely 'responsible'(that old-fashioned word) company.'

WHAT

HE MENTIONED THE WAR! YOU KNOW - THE ONE THE AMERICANS WON. (Nobody mentions WWE)

I just took in the latter part of Dave's assurances to a bunch of businessers - this time IT'S ALL GOING TO BE ALRIGHT! Clearly all those other politicians, who said the same thing, were idiots. This is the Age of Dave.

The funny thing is that Dave drew a parallel between the miracle his coalition will work, and the miracle worked in Germany, after WWII. But here Dave shows his ignorance. I was living in Krefeld, Germany, throughout 1969. It was explained to me, by a man in his late 50s, that when bombed into oblivion (we did that) and reduced to eating the neighbour's cat; as rampant inflation bites, ALL VESTED INTERESTS DISSOLVE AWAY, and those with get-up-and-go become a new, FRESH elite.

THAT IS WHAT BRITAIN (unwittingly) CRIES OUT FOR! Our vested interests are long overdue a purge. Monarchy - lynchpin of patronage, and Palace of Westminster feudalism, and the land-ownership legacy - STILL ALL WITH US. Power is Money - Money is Power. DAVE (money and power) is not going to fix it for us ordinary folk any time soon.

Dave reckons his coalition is heading for the appellation: HISTORIC. No Dave - its a very different word you will accrue.

if this spill had only affected a poor 3rd world country, what would be the chances of hearing *that* president being able to state that "BP will pay every penny of the clean-up costs"?

bhopal, india, union carbide.


and on the same vein, the helplessness of the 3rd world in trying to get hard, actual aid for the poorer countries to be able to develop sustainable energy sources, re Copenhagen summit. One rule for the rich and powerful, yet another for everyone else. As per usual.

THE BANKS - YET ANOTHER ELEPHANT

Dave took questions, and was asked about business funding difficulty. In the spaces between his words, I heard him say: "With the banks - even with the ones we own - there is only so much we can do to make them lend to business." In earlier times I 'heard' Mighty Brown saying the same gutless words. Or did I miss-hear? Is the truth that government DOES NOT WANT THE BANKS TO LEND FREELY? Is the deal that: the banks take the flak in return for the 'bonuses that got away'? DO I SMELL A QUID PRO QUO?

Power = Money Money = Power Banking and Government are one.

JUST WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THIS COUNTRY? HAVE WE BECOME COMPLETELY INSANE?

https://www.meatinfo.co.uk/news/fullstory.php/aid/10700/Halal_meat_hub_hopes_for_the_UK.html

So we are going to become the halal meat hub, probably of europe. I find this utterly incredible, for years and years we have had all the animal rights groups going on about the appalling conditions in our slaughter houses. So much so that they all became centralised. Now we have the situation where it's ok to ritually slaughter an animal, that takes several minutes to die, totally conscious throughout, and in agony. Where are the RSPCA, PETA and AFAW when you need them? Keeping extremely quiet I note. Are they being silenced by government or just don't care a jot unless it's us being cruel to some animal. Or giving us all a guilt trip about eating meat at all.

Oh I forgot saying a prayer over the dying animal makes it all ok, it makes me very cross indeed that we keep running backwards to appease other faiths.

WHY HAVE WE BECOME SUCH A BARBARIC NATION?

I'll answer that myself, because we go to war at the drop of a hat

addendum to #4

under the live stream (no pun intended), it says...

'Throughout the extended top kill procedure – which may take up to two days to complete - very significant changes in the appearance of the flows at the seabed may be expected. These will not provide a reliable indicator of the overall progress, or success or failure, of the top kill operation as a whole. BP will report on the progress of the operation as appropriate and on its outcome when complete.'

Seeing is not believing!

THE RESPONSE OF AMERICA TO DISASTERS

I have just had a simple post on 9/11 blocked. I note an American opinion poll percentage in the blog above. Might Newsnight post the opinion polls IN AMERICA regarding 9/11 - the people's view of its genesis, enactment and attribution?

As Dodgy Tony said: '9/11 changed THE RULES OF THE GAME'. The truth is that (as Tony well knew) the rules were discarded BEFORE 9/11 and 'WWE', the War Without End, rides on that iniquity.

Before too long you will be reporting this truth Newsnight. Hold your nerve.

As for the Oil Rig: well, the story rings true so far . . .

Oh dear, oh dear https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/10183941.stm

All quiet on the NI front then? What was Kev saying?!

Back in the "old days", we used to think like this https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2977086.stm and the BBC reported it.

I notice the Beeb hasn't been shouting from the rooftops and interviewing animal rights groups about us becoming the Halal meat hub of europe. Why Not?

#14: barry, have you watched the 3rd part of the documentary 'Zeitgeist'? Here is the rub, the economic ideology/ignorance that leads large corporations to lay-off thousands of people, yet somehow increase 'profits' by such behaviour, is the same ideology/ignorance/class war that is allowing the banks to *deliberately* cause an economic recession in the UK.

it actually makes them money, as they can then seize the assets either directly, or through the later bankruptcy asset strip.

now, any economist that deserves such a title (and thus either ignores 'the Economist' completely, or else screams abuse at it) would point out that a healthy economy NEEDS to have people working.

there is only one conclusion from this - the neo-liberal economic doctrine is *designed* to destroy a national economy, its focussing on short-time profits to be rushed away into tax-havens rather than long-term investment and aiming for sustainable growth is a recipe for disaster - the disaster, less-than-strangely enough, that we are experiencing now.

how can it be that 'Fred the Shred' can walk away with £Millions+?


because he is being *rewarded* for what he 'achieved'. This 'Banking Crisis' is anything BUT accidental.

MANY OF OUR OLD WOULD WELCOME HALAL SLAUGHTER (#15)

Totally bonkers Ecolizzy - but I guess Nick'll fix it.

SEVERAL MINUTES TO DIE? LUXURY! My brother took eight months, and was conscious throughout. No law was broken - no one lifted a finger. He would have been HAPPY to hang upside down, briefly, had he known for sure, he was 'out of here'.

Sorry Lizzy - I got off the point there. I have been listening to too much Daveja vu lately. He is going to fix all the PHYSICAL STUFF but has absolutely no conception of INSANE BRITAIN. Indeed, if you, or I, were to be allowed enough of his precious time to get the words out, HE WOULD PROBABLY AUTOGRAPH OUR PALPABLE DESPAIR, AND MOVE ON.

In truth: WE ARE A CRUEL NATION. War, rendition, industrial mothering, institutional nurturing, kids at the Bailey - this list is endless. Meanwhile Nick n Dave will fix the economy.

Oh - I cannot bring myself to be flippant.

Response to ....


At 9:03pm on 27 May 2010, Mistress76uk wrote:


@ Barrie #11 - I doubt it has anything to do with her ethnicity. It's more likely to be the fact that she is a hypocrite......

I couldn’t agree more!

There have been ongoing murmers in the UK that what ‘we‘ need in this country is an “Obama” ! (Lengthy debate to one side!!! ) The only thing IMHO that this candidate has in common with President O is an excess of ceratonin in the body and that, as some American are starting to realise, ‘aint never not gonna be sufficient reason - on it’s own - to elect anyone!

Her comments to Andrew Neil on the “This Week” show last week - hopefully her swan-song appearance. No, I don’t have very much time for her at all for a whole variety of reasons, none of which are to do with her ceratonin levels! - regarding her prediction of people being ‘surprised‘ at the level of support she will receive will come back to remind her that that she is actually elected to represent all of her constituents.



Response to ....

15. At 9:08pm on 27 May 2010, jauntycyclist wrote:

12
..for whatever reason..

like debt, drugs and slavery?

Nice one!

Though I have to suggest that these were stroke are “Predator” imposed!

And what about adding ‘individual choice’?


Response to ....

At 9:17pm on 27 May 2010, jauntycyclist wrote:

Excellent post!

As is ....

At 11:07pm on 27 May 2010, kevseywevsey wrote:

As is ..... (Sorry, nearly forgot ....)

1. At 12:17pm on 27 May 2010, wendymann wrote:


Response to ....

At 00:38am on 28 May 2010, barriesingleton wrote:

IDS has ‘spent years’ voluntarily sic reviewing benefits and the best he can come up with is pretty damn near as much as the previous HMG - which, although a slow process, was working with some elements of compassion - but with a few ( in the nation’s best interest of course) cuts to services that might, had they remained, have been very productive in the long term!

In answer to the question “What inept pig's ear will he make of welfare?”

I suspect he will act in haste and many will regret his pressure(s)!


And then he will get a peerage!

#15: i am not defending halal or kosher, but i would regard any claims that 'modern' factory-farming abattoirs are somehow pleasant experiences for living animals about to become our food, with somewhat scepticism.

#21: 'cRule Britannia'?


actually i would say that the majority are good people, but the very nature of a class system, where 'haves' must oppress the 'have nots' has caused great unhappiness. Add in a mass-media that regards itself as the defender of the class system (being a part of it), finding and blaming scapegoats, and many things become clear about what is "broken" about Britain.

#£

https://www.theonion.com/articles/bp-pledges-to-continue-being-huge-profitable-corpo,17510/

LIVERPOOL’S biggest military show was cancelled after city bosses initially refused to fund it.

Organisers of the Liverpool Military Show claim officials told them it did not meet their 'equality and diversity' demands.

The council said it was culturally at odds with how Liverpool wants to portray itself as a city.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2010/05/27/liverpool-military-show-cancelled-after-funding-rejection-100252-26530475/

Just 10 days earlier, Liverpool City Council had funded their annual "IDAHO" Gay Pride festival, celebrating the "International Day against Homophobia".

Liverpool war hero Peter Dunning, who lost both his legs while serving with the Royal Marines in Afghanistan, labelled the decision "a disgrace".

He said: "The council are just afraid of a Muslim backlash, similar to the protests in London last year.

https://www.clickliverpool.com/news/national-news/129253-liverpool-military-show-and-memorial-service-scrapped-as-ot-diverse-enough.html

a pig philosophy results in lack of discrimination of that which is good. which party is running liverpool?

3 ..Give them a chance - I know it seems like it's taking forever - but these guys are working 24/7 - it's their Earth too!..

the fact they did not role game this scenario is because

1/incompetence?

2/saving money?

surely having a procedure and equipmentment in place would have been cheaper than what they will have to pay out now?

who are the main shareholders of BP? who the oversight directors?

https://www.bp.com/managedlistingsection.do?categoryId=9021801&contentId=7040608

the systemic failures of not role gaming and designing equipment to cap wells a mile underwater happens from the top?

It would appear that overpaid journalists are trying their level best to whip up a Tory backbench revolt over the coalition Capital Gains Tax proposals. It would appear that there are those who would attempt to portray that any increase in the CGT rate would hit " ordinary people ". In reality it will only hit fully paid up stock market parasites like hedge funds, OK you could get caught out in multiple buy to let portfolio's, but surely the " pension " aspect is to live on the rental income.

Some say that you will be taxed twice on property, but no tax has ever been paid on property price inflation, which could be 50% or over the original investment. Then they trot out the old " will damage and discourage entrepreneurs " but if someone starts an alleged successful company in the UK they will only face CGT if they sell it to a third party, which in most cases means it will be closed down or at least the production moved to China or India and the UK jobs lost forever. If an increase in CGT actually encourages people to set up, run and expand their own business here in the UK then it must be a good thing at least in my book.

the shareholders link

https://www.bp.com/extendedsectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=9010453&contentId=7019612

40% is usa.

the usa regulators did not require BP to file a blowout plan. Which shows lack of imagination on BPs part. Even if not officially required a responsible plan would have included it?

..BP officials aboard the rig wanted to skip required pressure tests and tried to impose a drilling plan sent from BP's Houston headquarters

https://www.miamiherald.com/2010/05/27/1652004/doomed-rigs-manager-says-bp-tried.html

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..In reality it will only hit fully paid up stock market parasites like hedge funds..

they have already sold out of winning positions in anticipation which is why the market has been swinging violently.

"we'll be joined live in the studio by Nassim Nicholas Taleb, author of The Black Swan."

Janet Tavakoli don't much care for Nassim :-

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/janet-tavakoli/nassim-taleb-kills-20-bil_b_571633.html

"Taleb asserted the article was about philosophy, and one should ignore the numbers. The Times (among others) didn't seem to see it that way. The Times's original reference to GQ's article focused on the erroneous $20 billion in trading gains months before Taleb made his correction in the face of media pressure."

https://www.businessinsider.com/wait-before-you-invest-in-nassim-talebs-new-fund-2009-6

Oh dear

#28

"It would appear that overpaid journalists are trying their level best to whip up a Tory backbench revolt over the coalition Capital Gains Tax proposals."

They should talk to the husband in this story - he is a tax expert (I know him) with a thing for dangerous women.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1282128/Woman-shopped-police-husband-downed-bottles-wine-doing-school-run.html

Oh dear

I'm having a good night don't you think ?

Good to see they have Taleb on, there is an interesting chat with him and David Cameron at the Royal Society where he talks about the possibility of hyperinflation-

https://fora.tv/2009/08/18/David_Cameron_in_Conversation_with_Nassim_Taleb

And Hugh Hendry has come out today talking about hyperinflation too-

https://www.zerohedge.com/article/hugh-hendry-warns-prepare-hyperinflation

Felix Zulauf interviewed by Eric King :-

https://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2010/5/28_Felix_Zulauf.html

Its disturbing to hear so many people talking hyper-inflation

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Finger pointing

Brightyangthing

There is an image of Stalin that, for some unfathomable to me reason, has found its way into Jeremy Paxman's google photostream, with Stalin pointing his right indicator straight at the viewer. The same image has been used in recent years by the NHS (under Labour) hanging on walls around the NHS hospitals.

Personally, I find it most offensive or even at times disturbing.

I wonder who is responsible for that?? In my view, they should be shot.

At the same time, I might as well add that I do have a photo of Jeremy poining his left indicator, though not directly at the viewer, displayed on one of my walls, together with the image of his 'Victorians' book which I put in the lectern in the shape of an eagle at Ely's Cathedral after his talk last year on 19 March, and which is available also in his Google photostream, as well as a photo of Watts' painting 'Hope' and aprint out of my great uncle Dionizy Zuberbier, a brilliant and most kind Otolaryngologist, who was ruthlessly shot by Stalin in Katyn.

Isn't it, therefore, any wonder that I have every justification to feel utter revulsion towards the Stalin's image propagated by the NHS as well as by anybody trying to impersonate one of the cruellest men in the history of mankind? Even if it's 'seemingly' only as a joke? 'Seemingly'.

mim

OK folks Will Hutton who now (I think) is employed by the government gave the game away - inflation and more debt are on the cards to fight the financial war this means that you - the public will be financially attacked. If you watch that again on iplayer see Nassims reaction to Hutton and Gavin Esler move on to a non story - the powers that be don't want the public to smell the truth of a painful future.

How did they get to you Will ? did someone make a Voodoo Doll and stick pins in or were you bitten by a financial vampire ?

More significant indicators:-

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/7780124/Fitch-downgrades-Spains-credit-rating.html

#38 addendum

I think I'll take the opportunity to explain a bit more the story regarding Jeremy's photo on the wall.

I first saw him on Newsnight in 1989 when living in Kennington, probably soon after he'd actually started working for them. I had already been watching all the live transmissions from the Houses of Parliament and as much news programmes as possible.

Jeremy especially attracted my attention not only by his attractiveness as a man, and I'm not the only woman who feels that, but the way he was, and still is, as a journalist able to change his attitude to the politicians and other guests according to each situation. I like his friendliness on one hand but on the other his sharp and dry humour, and the ability to 'punch' when he feels it is necessary.

It is not, however, that I'm completely uncritical but then I'm not sure myself when my criticisms about anything really are right or nisplaced, apart from obvious violations of human rights.

Anyway, I first put the photo on one of the walls when I was running a bed and breakfast in Putney, together with a photo of The Queen, I'd like to add. Then when I started working at Atkinson Morley's I got so busy and so fed up with the manipulation of the media, that for years I stopped watching all the news programmes altogether, including Newsnight whether Jeremy was on or not.

Then one day a few years ago now I 'bumped' into him by the Anglesea Arms pub in South Kensington, though we didn't actually talk, and I thought I'd have a go at watching Newsnight again. By that time I had already read three of his books, i.e. 'Through The Volcanos, a Central American Journey', 'Friends in High Places. Who Runs Britain?' and 'The English'. Since the fateful day I have read all the other books that he's written after the one on the English.

I do admire his scope of knowledge and the way he writes and this is one of the reasons his left indicator photo has made its way back onto the wall.

mim

I thought the Susan Watts piece on the Gulf oil spill was excellent and helped actually put it into perspective.

I also found something on "Wonks" that gave an interesting statistic that Watts may have mentioned:

"Like the rest of the oil industry, BP has a long record of tragic, extraordinary environmental disasters, stretching from Alaska to Nigeria. And this particular disaster is not unprecedented in size, in the kind of accident, nor in the methods used to respond. There have been dozens of oil well blowouts in the Gulf of Mexico, including 39 since 2007."

Thirty nine!

Taleb on the economy was interesting but I don't think he is a media man as he is too long winded and arrogant when he talks down to people to communicate well. It's a pity as he seems to be a very interesting guy.

The piece on Margot Fonteyn was interesting but it would have been revealing to know what skills a ballerina brought to a coup attempt. I can't help but picture lots of rebels pirouette as they stormed the radio stations.

Juaunty #30

One useful side effect of stock market parasite speculators selling to beat any increase in CGT is that petrol prices have come down quite substantially. 6p a litre over the last two weeks which must be good news for our " real " economy in general, perhaps any further stock market falls will precipitate a further fall in oil prices. I get the feeling that many speculators can no longer cover their banking covenants as the equities they borrow against also fall in value. Perhaps a massive fall in the stock market is just what the real true productive UK economy needs to spur real economic growth, not the false growth usually generated by stock markets ?

As a Lib Dem supporter I can't help but be shocked by Laws and I hope that it does emerge that he was not motivated by money - though a few thousand set against the millions he made in the city make that unlikely.

But why in a party where people are going to be completely OK with him being gay did he feel the need for privacy and to take a stupid risk that may affect the coalition and the country in this fiscal crisis? I assume his family are less understanding sadly but then most people respond to change and circumstances.

The good thing is that the coalition seem to be taking things calmly and it is possible he may survive as I doubt that the public will view him in the same light as Barbara Moran.

But as he is able I do think that it will be tragic if this terminates his career.

Surely today society is more tolerant and people who are politicians should be able to declare their sexuality.

It goes without saying that I exclude the far right dinosaurs like the BNP who do try to target any minority group where they could whip up hatred.

#20 gnuneo

"there is only one conclusion from this - the neo-liberal economic doctrine is *designed* to destroy a national economy"

So if the neo-liberal economic doctrine is "designed" to destroy a national economy who has designed it?

You haven't been listening to whacko far right fantasies about Jews slipping in to No. 11 at night and changing all of the economic plans to suit their needs? People like that usually froth at the mouth.

Also if the neo-liberal economic model is duff in your view what will you replace it with?

There used to be a few headbangers who would try and propagate the notion that Hitler was a full on socialist economically and it was all means of production issues. In fact Hitler hardly ever went to a en economic cabinet meeting and mostly liked to play with his soldiers. Hence seventy million dead in WWII and so on.

The Guardian did a good piece on the EDL and their plans via the puppet Singh (who does run the EDL):

"EDL spokesman Guramit Singh says its Bradford demonstration "will be huge". He adds: "The problem with Bradford is the security threat, it is a highly populated Muslim area. They are very militant as well. Bradford is a place that has got to be hit."

So having gotten used to the far right hate mongers that populate this page from time to time I could suggest keeping an eye on propaganda on racial and religious division plus the standard chipping away at democratic institutions and government and the economy.

Sometimes like icebergs its not what you see on the surface that is the worry its what lies beneath the surface.

The other day I had a post pulled after I ridiculed somebody suggesting that literal and metaphorical beheading were the same thing.

That person also suggested that Thatcher and Blair and Brown (and I like none of them) were much the same as Hitler.

What tosh!

#47

Gango

Thatcher was tough as the Prime Minister and she sometimes did get things wrong but deep down she is not a cruel lady, nor is, I don't think Tony Blair, but as for Gordon Brown, though perhaps not quite 'Hitler', he did listen to one too much, as well as to 'Stalin'. In terms of sheer perfidy, Mandy beats them all.

mim

David Laws should do the decent thing and RESIGN.....his fingers have been in the till to the tune of £40,000.00. The only reason he wants to pay it back is because he has been caught out.

@42 Taleb is not arrogant, he just assumes people know what he is talking about, for example his explanation of how private debt is being transfered to public debt that will stifle the productivity of future generations by making them pay for that debt was not presented well. He also failed to mention that some of these 'bad bets' as he put them were decisions based on fraudulent computer models and fraudulent AAA ratings peddled by the banks and rating agencies. Also he did not challenge Will Hutton on the most important point which is that inflating away the debt is not going to work, remember the Germans tried that, the result was hyperinflation and the descent of Germany into fascism. Also neither he nor Hutton touched on the fact that raising taxes to pay for this debt will lead to a mass expansion of the black economy, so destoying the tax base and making the majority of the population criminals. As Hugh Hendry put it the other night, we need to purge the system of its rottenness if we have a hope of having an economy and country left.

Exxon Valdez, Blythe Masters / JP Morgan's role in Credit Default Swaps :-

https://blog.investraction.com/2010/05/fools-gold-and-credit-default-swaps.html

#45, gangy:

"So if the neo-liberal economic doctrine is "designed" to destroy a national economy who has designed it?"

you are asking me to point to *one* person who defined the neo-liberal ideology? Or are you questioning the ideology even exists?


"You haven't been listening to whacko far right fantasies about Jews slipping in to No. 11 at night and changing all of the economic plans to suit their needs? People like that usually froth at the mouth."

i listen to everyone, and then make up my own mind. Nuggets of truth can be found in the most remarkable places, and absolute Gorramned borrox found in the most respected. Actually it is probably MI5 sneaking in using copies of Israeli passports, aided by 3inch tall 5 legged invisible aliens, who are the penultimate result of the Nazi breeding experiments at Hangar 51. Although actually its all just an interactive 'Life Simulator' economics program from the future running in a quantum-based supercomputer. Or could it be that the people who rule us are greedy, have been badly educated in basic economic theory, and were given the same Greek/Roman books to study at school that bred and maintained the Roman Empire and its institutions for so long? Or its possible you're just tripping, and have brought everyone else down with you. Go and ask Number 1, *i* don't know! Look at the evidence, make up your own mind - and preferably keep it open as well. "Its above my froth-grade", so to speak.

"Also if the neo-liberal economic model is duff in your view what will you replace it with?"

https://www.newstatesman.com/south-america/2007/08/argentina-workers-movement

https://www.newstatesman.com/business/2008/10/economy-world-crisis-financial

https://www.newstatesman.com/books/2008/01/economic-growth-rodrik

https://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/life-at-findhorn/2007/08/climate-change-oil-community

"There used to be a few headbangers who would try and propagate the notion that Hitler was a full on socialist economically and it was all means of production issues. In fact Hitler hardly ever went to a en economic cabinet meeting and mostly liked to play with his soldiers. Hence seventy million dead in WWII and so on."

hitler was a State Corporatist, not a socialist. And do you not think that at least parts of the German elite had to support him for Germany to be taken into war? Just as Bush could not have taken the US into war without support from the US Establishment/Military-Industrial-Complex.

as a small example, without the !almost! unanimous support for the Iraq War across the UK mainstream media, instead of structural criticism of these claims of potential WMD and outright lying over UN Resolutions, the War would have even far less likely to occur. Such unanimity, especially when set against the large-scale opposition to the war in the Public, - do you think that "just happened"??

#50: turbojerry, the Swedish have a system where ALL tax-receipts are published to the Public, so every citizen has the right to see how much everyone is paying. That seemed a 'transparency too far' when i first heard of it, but considering what is happening now, perhaps it could be tried here? What the hacker "neo" has been up to in Latvia...

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8533641.stm

https://balticreports.com/?p=17430

#50 - He wasn't allowed to go on to explain - 'ballet' got in the way.

It also needs to be realised that Hendry and his like are also very much part of the problem.

#52 cont:

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2007/02/capitalism-work-ownership-real

and the issue of the "washington consensus", that is constantly being threatened upon us by the Tories and their allies... "the IMF will get called in if we do not cut" is the general refrain.

https://www.newstatesman.com/books/2008/01/economic-growth-rodrik

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https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/us_and_canada/10185256.stm

it is hopeful that the ME can move to a nuclear-weapons free zone. Surely Israel must now admit its nuclear weapons program, and join and follow the Non-Proliferation Treaty. By treating their Palestinian cousins with respect, as human beings with equal rights, THEN Israel will finally be secure.

#41 addendum

And when I learned that Jeremy not only donates money to charities but also gets directly involved, like with the Cardinal Hume Charity for homeless young people, for example, I found him even more endearing as a person.

mim

#21:

"In truth: WE ARE A CRUEL NATION. War, rendition, industrial mothering, institutional nurturing, kids at the Bailey - this list is endless. Meanwhile Nick n Dave will fix the economy."

but we *did* prosecute the policeman who beat up the woman at the demo held about the murder of Ian Tomlinson.

compare to 'liberal' Holland:

https://breakallchains.blogspot.com/2010/05/renata-zelazna-charged-with-attempted.html


perhaps this goes on in the UK as well, but at least WE prosecute those 'Officers' who behave like this.

@ Mim #55 - VERY true - Jeremy isn't just a pretty face :o)

Breaking News - David Laws has RESIGNED.....

#58

Mistress76uk

One of the bloggers here, a namesake, will be upset. He's lost another David to compare himself to and manipulate. But he has no honour and refuses to accept the truth about his shortcomings, his fradulent behaviour and ultimate failure he is condemned to. If he doesn't 'resign', he'll have to be removed one way or another.

mim

Brightyangthing

Earlier on, before going shopping to Putney, which I had planned at the start of the day, I tried to open this page but clicking on the 'Plus' word but an image of a clown, just off centre on the right, refused to let me do it. I immediately tried the word 'click' and had no problem at all.

I knew that a self-appointed 'guardian' of mine wanted me to go to Putney but I didn't change my mind just out of spite and took the route anyway. Sure enough a Mario's van with open doors was parked just off centre on the right. As a reminder 'Mario' is a twin brother of a clowning duo that wear moustaches.

All kinds of other things happened as well but it's too boring to talk about and waste time on.

mim

#52 gnuneo

Or jaded_jan/ statist or whatever ...

"hitler was a State Corporatist, not a socialist. And do you not think that at least parts of the German elite had to support him for Germany to be taken into war?"

So that's a surprise - you have have quite defined and non-historical views on Hitler. Most historians would have agreed that in fact the German military were about to shoot Hitler but that Neville Chamberlain started up new peace talks and so they put their plans on hold ...

Queue seventy million dead and a divided Germany and general European destruction.

The irony is that Europe now foots the bill for the BNP expenses because the UK failed to keep the far right lie machine exposed as a far lie machine.

I am sure the far right are laughing as those such as Nick Griffin guzzles his champagne.

By the way others such as jaded_jan have claimed that Hitler and Stalin were virtually pen pals.

Think that poster was wrong on balance.

#52 gnuneo

""Its above my froth-grade", so to speak."

Where you slip up is that you always respond to criticism and ... truth.

I only ever say that the far right froth at the mouth and that offends you so you will have to up your game and change your login name again!

So sad really as you do seem to be trying harder to be credible but there we are.

Still it's better than that saddo jaded_jan who used to say the Holocaust was made up to put people off statism ... by statists.

#17 barriesingelton

"Might Newsnight post the opinion polls IN AMERICA regarding 9/11"

Given some percentage of higher educated Americans have swallowed internet truths and think Obama is the Anti-Christ I would suggest that a pre-analysis is fine by me as I doubt there is any evidence whatever that Obama is hell bent on .... hell.

It's also true that some terribly sad people of a racially biased description try to work up the crowds on the internet due to the fact that he is of mixed race.

Then there is Fox News and Glen Beck .... where roughly 200% of the public agree with whatever Fox is selling that day.

So you can see that polls in America may not be the whole truth.

By the way now that jaded_jean, the sad self avowed National Socialist, does not post on here anymore do you still stay in contact?

tonight's doc who:

https://www.newstatesman.com/life-and-society/2008/03/icke-world-conspiracy

maybe i should apply to be a writer?? :D ;)


(another dave for you M!)

M, just by coincidence i found this earlier:

"and leaked to the press documents detailing the abuses suffered by a wide variety of activists, including a long-term plan to destroy Martin Luther King Jr.:
“Agents tapped his phone, bugged his rooms, trumpeted his supposed commie
connections, and his sexual proclivities, and sicced the Internal Revenue Service on
him. When it was announced in 1964 that King would receive a Nobel Peace Prize,
the FBI grew desperate. Hoping to prevent King from accepting the award, the
Bureau mailed him a package containing a tape of phone calls documenting King’s
extramarital affairs and an anonymous, threatening letter (shown here in censored
form). In barely concealed language, King was told to commit suicide before the
award ceremony or risk seeing his "filthy, abnormal fraudulent self" exposed to the
nation. Fortunately, King ignored the FBI’s advice. He accepted the award and lived
four more years until his assassination.” 80"

from the full article:

https://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/us-electromagnetic-weapons-and-human-rights/

it being something you seemed interested in a little while ago.

#61: you seem to know and write a great deal about right-wingers, gangy. I echo some of the other posters that "Methinks thou protests too much".


"So that's a surprise - you have have quite defined and non-historical views on Hitler. Most historians would have agreed that in fact the German military were about to shoot Hitler but that Neville Chamberlain started up new peace talks and so they put their plans on hold ...

Queue seventy million dead and a divided Germany and general European destruction."

i'm sure that in the US some of the military would have been quite happy to see G W Bush do 'a Kennedy'. Some in the British Army might have had some similar thoughts about B'Liar. That accusation of yours however in no way invalidates the statement i made that Hitler received support from much of the German Elite. I wonder why you tried to obfuscate that?

plus, the original plan was for Germany to 'expand' Eastwards, Germany had been allowed to rearm, and much British and American capital was used to build the Nazi war machine. The later 'Allies' against Germany knew full well the extent of German rearmament, and only became worried when Hitler started following the Schlieffen plan. So are you arguing that Chamberlain deliberately 'saved' Hitler by agreeing to 'peace talks', both to prevent the military from removing him, and also to begin the German Eastward expansion?

"By the way others such as jaded_jan have claimed that Hitler and Stalin were virtually pen pals."

they were. Ask the Poles about it.

#62: "different log-ins". Yawn. WhatEVer. Do you have any idea what the definition of an ad hominem is?

this'll help:

"Ad hominem


An attack upon an opponent in order to discredit their argument or opinion. Ad hominems are used by immature and/or unintelligent people because they are unable to counter their opponent using logic and intelligence.

Person A: I think we should spend more money on environmental protection.
Person B: You just think that because you’re a stupid tree-hugger.

Person A: It is crucial that we facilitate adequate means to prevent degradation that would jeopardize the project.
Person B: You think that just because you use big words makes you sound smart? Shut up you loser; you don't know what you're talking about."

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ad+hominem


what a pity, until those posts i thought you were quite interesting, and wanted to engage in discussion.

for those like myself who became concerned about the distortions the laughable 'Wannabe-Leader Debates' inflicted upon the UK's democratic process, and also wonder why they were brought over here, here is a report that might shed some light upon this:

https://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/20-secret-control-of-the-presidential-debates/

#63

Gango

jj has turned himself now into gnu

#65

What do you think? That you've 'discovered' America, 'kink/g/y'??

#64

'dr who'

You’re not getting it, gnu.
I don’t watch Dr Who because of you
And your ‘friend’, Prof Jules.
Nor do I watch the news
Because of you two.

London weather on the morn of 30 May 2010

Normally at the start of the day
The sky is clear but then covers up
With clouds often bringing the rain.
But perhaps it’ll be the reverse way today
With planes visible sky high
Which I’m hoping to watch
By the Horseman by Watts.

mim

#64/7

Interesting posts gnu, on the important issues of conspiracy and control, particularly thought control.

My thoughts on this are that there will always be bigger forces (for good or evil) than we, the public, can be aware of, let alone prevent. One important factor is to maintain independent agencies that have the power and motivation to investigate and reveal the machinations of all potentially ‘devious’ power groups and practices.

My first job was in Fleet Street in an age where the Fourth Estate was largely independent and impartial, as was the BBC. But big money and power-crazed individuals have since replaced that independence with their own attempts at political control, and our government has also got into this business in a big way with attempts to legislate what we think and say.

My solution has been to recommend support of some ‘radical’ elements in order to shake up our national inclination to lethargy, apathy, complacency and tolerance which has allowed us to be manipulated, and also to have a healthy disrespect for laws that attempt to gag us.
In this respect I take issue (as usual) with Gango in #44:

“Surely today society is more tolerant and people who are politicians should be able to declare their sexuality.”

I for one, continue to retain my own attitude toward certain standards that I was brought up to believe in, and I will remain INtolerant despite legislation that attempts to enforce mind-control. In the case at issue (and as previously posted) I enjoy the creativity that comes from some degree of diversity. I enjoy the talents of people as ‘different’ as Oscar Wilde, Stephen Fry, Elton John and many eminent actors. They have much to offer in the field of entertainment and enlightenment. However, I do not feel obliged to vote for people who are going to govern me yet who are significantly different from me. I have been brought up with certain ‘prejudices’ that will not accept 'alien' cultures and will continue to hold these views and not be persuaded to relinquish my standards by any legislation or drift in the mores of my society.

On the bigger issue of conspiracies and thought control, with the demise of newspapers we have to hope that online news and an increase in blog-sites, later to be conducted on our TV sets rather than on PCs, will keep us fully informed and give the larger public a voice against all devious developments.

Yet ANOTHER Muslim hate preacher has been allowed to enter the UK....
https://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7140235.ece

My regular Sunday morning whinge. Watching Andrew Marr Show with Zoe Wannamaker, who Marr has just described and "an English Actress"; why then does the screen describe her as an 'ACTOR'? Who is the pc-driven idiot that does this every week?

"ET TU ABBOTT" - ANOTHER WESTMINSTER CREATURE 'KNEW THE WAR WAS WRONG'

Diane Abbott says the majority were against the war. So why did this 'person of the people' not speak out against Blair AT THE TIME?

Once again we see the feudal Westminster Ethos at work. The rosetted cipher MP, IS NOT THE CONSTITUTENTS' REPRESENTATIVE, but a party pawn.

SPOILPARTYGAMES

To the 'constructors'

Is everything going according to plan?

M

THE AGE OF FAIRNESS - STICKS AND STONES (#73)

Oh come on 76, be fair. They 'let in' our bombs and professional invading hoards; we should, at least, let in their professional haters.

Our 'sticks and stones' will break their bones - sure as Napalm sticks to flesh (by design) but WE ARE THE MASTER RACE, we are British, with Jesus our Lord. WORDS WILL NEVER HURT US.

And don't forget: uber-saviour Blair is British. How great is that?

PS I stood in the cold against the war - did Diane Abbott?

I HAVE BEEN READING THE 'REPRESENTATION OF THE PEOPLE ACT 1983'

It says (precis): "A person shall be GUILTY of UNDUE INFLUENCE if he INDUCES OR PREVAILS UPON a voter either TO VOTE OR REFRAIN FROM VOTING." In the light of that legally framed constraint, how does this (taken fron a Tory flyer) look to the good folk of the Newsnight blog?

"THE CONSERVATIVES MUST WIN HERE TO STOP ANOTHER 5 YEARS OF GORDON BROWN"

As Newbury was, effectively, a contest of Lib/Dem v Conservative, I assert that the above claim was not only false, but had the sole purpose of INDUCING (aka PREVAILING UPON) voters to VOTE OR REFRAIN FROM VOTING in such a manner as to return the Conservative candidate.

So far, I have received a lot of silence (and a little 'not me guv') from those officers and offices who should show concern. I shall be grateful for any sane and cogent comment here.

'BY ANY FRAUDULENT DEVICE OR CONTRIVANCE' (omitted from #78)

First paragraph #78 should read:

It says (precis): "A person shall be GUILTY of UNDUE INFLUENCE if he INDUCES OR PREVAILS UPON a voter BY ANY FRAUDULENT DEVICE OR CONTRIVANCE either TO VOTE OR REFRAIN FROM VOTING." In the light of that legally framed constraint, how does this (taken fron a Tory flyer) look to the good folk of the Newsnight blog?

#73: should the State wish to further demonise a minority, it is helpful if the right-wing press has a high-visibility, vocal inflammatory nut-job that can be quoted widely. See "Islam4UK" for instance.

as it happens, personally i would prefer to allow free movement and discussion, however that is also predicated upon a decent, informative and properly analytical media.

ergo, i am worried.

hopefully NN will once again manage to get an interview with the nutter, just as they did with geert wilders.

#77: barry, yup. :)

i took part in a candlelit vigil in Ringkjobing, and the Copenhagen march. Along with so many millions of right-minded decent people. It would be very interesting to discover how many of our elected representatives were also willing to physically express their opposition to the War.

#72: Indy, ty, it was actually a random find last night, but a couple of years ago a friend had been trying to warn me about what was happening. Actually, i thought he had gone a bit nutty. Now i'm nowhere near as certain about that.

as for voting - someone's sexuality wouldn't affect my voting, just as neither would their gender/race/religion etc. I choose people upon their basic morality, and their willingness to take risks to fight for what is right. ...although, it goes without saying, "MORALITY" for me is liberal position, NOT the fundie mentality that leads to two consenting adults being locked up just because they are of the same gender, or the kind of morality that destroys entire communities by criminalising recreational chemicals.

..and thank GAIA for the internet, eh?? :D xx

LIES, DAMNED LIES AND STATISTICS THAT SPEAK TRUTH.

We all KNOW that party politics is corrupt, but it seems to be accepted.
Yet the voting on Tony's War shows the stark truth of it.

An amendment declaring the 'case for war was not proved', produced the following voting pattern: AGAINST: around two thirds of Labour and 13 Tories. FOR: around one third of labour and all the Lib/Dems. If one looks at this in terms of the INTEGRITY (and/or intellectual competence) of the individual MPs, a rather telling picture emerges.

It is not democracy - that's for sure.

This is just a symptom of the Westminster Malaise. NEW POLITICS in an old building will bring no improvement. And now we have would-be Labour leaders, all trying to distance themselves from Tony's war.

Oh - it's all going awfully well.

#81: what is also interesting from this, is how many Tory MPs were in favour of the war anyway. And how many argued in public for Britain to INCREASE its troop numbers there.

its actually quite heart-warming to learn that a third of Labour MPs voted against their own Govt on this, bearing in mind the pressures, the blackmail, and outright threats that are used on 'dissenting' MPs, that shows quite some moral courage.

"Tony's War" should be "nuLabour's War". There were many in his ranks that were as gung ho for the war as any American neo-con, Straw pops into mind.

when is that darned Enquiry going to finish?

CHILCOT (#82)

"when is that darned Enquiry going to finish?"

Only one answer to that: When they have worked out a 'form of words' that harms no one. Probably got seconded advisers from the NIST 9/11 enquiry.

THIS IS THE AGE OF 'FAIR'.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/7783317/The-woolly-world-of-Chris-Huhne.html

#80gnu "..someone's sexuality wouldn't affect my voting, just as neither would their gender/race/religion etc. I choose people upon their basic morality, and their willingness to take risks to fight for what is right..." As do I! "..although, it goes without saying, "MORALITY" for me is liberal position, NOT the fundie mentality that leads to two consenting adults being locked up just because they are of the same gender, or the kind of morality that destroys entire communities by criminalising recreational chemicals."

Well, I have already stated how I appreciate the creativity resulting from (or causing?) diversity, but together we confirm the old saying that "one man's meat is another man's poison" and how wide the gap can be between cultures, based on different upbringing, experiences, beliefs and values. In the same way, I value many of the opinions expressed in some of your blogs, but not the above. Vive le differance - and the lack of mandatory obedience required by 'mind control' laws.

'A climax is coming, but unclear when.'

https://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/willie/2010/0526.html

"Word has come to the Jackass desk from a very different location, two of whose university chums serve on an elite commission in Central Europe. Recall the stories of a mid-December landing of a planeload of Interpol agents and cops. Recall the announcement by President Obama in January of strong subpoena power granted to Interpol operating in the United States, a story that should have sent shivers through the press networks. Instead, it was duly reported and forgotten, a typical syndicate tactic. The subpoena power is not to be dismissed. It enables Interpol agents and cops to obtain documents, to force testimony, and to investigate with some teeth. My source tells of how the Interpol has been ON THE GROUND IN THE UNITED STATES FOR MONTHS doing their work, building a case against corrupt bankers. The same source told of how last August 2009, at least thirty former USDept Treasury officials and Wall Street executives together appealed to Interpol, turned state's evidence, and were granted asylum. They arrived with much damaging evidence in the form of documents, emails, CDs, trading logs, and personal testimony. The information gained has been used for several months in criminal investigations of very high order. Much progress has come, but it is not shared publicly. Finally, lists are being compiled for Arrest Warrants of US & UK & West Europe bankers and politicians complicit with banking center corruption. The story mentioned London bankers working for Goldman Sachs as having their passports lifted. More to come on this showdown. It begs the question who delivers the warrants and what happens if an F.U. is given in reply, especially if armed bodyguards are present. The list reportedly reads like a Who's Who, not yet seen by Jackass eyes though. A climax is coming, but unclear when."

This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

brossen, you might like my comments on this page:

https://www.newstatesman.com/environment/2008/11/climate-lynas-green-energy

--i take some swings at the Greens too! ;)

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#86: flicks,

"As Michael Hudson explains in his brilliant and too-little-studied work Super Imperialism, the perverse genius of the US global dollar hegemony was the realization, in the months after August 1971, that US power under a fiat dollar system was directly tied to the creation of dollar debt. The US debt and the trade deficit were not the "problem", they realized. They were the "solution".

The US could print endless quantities of dollars to pay for foreign imports of Toyotas, Hondas, BMWs or other goods in a system in which the trading partners of the United States, holding paper dollars for their exports, feared a dollar collapse enough to continue to support the dollar by buying US Treasury bonds and bills. In fact in the 30 years since abandoning gold exchange for paper dollars, the US dollars in reserve have risen by a whopping 2,500%, and the amount grows at double-digit rates today. "

https://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HC10Ak01.html

from your link:

"By the way, the Northern Euro as planned is a USDollar Killer, since the present day world reserve currency will fall rapidly in valuation, finding its true worthless value, in reflection with its hemorrhage of USGovt deficits and debt ratios that put it in the same PIGS manure pen as the Southern Europe nations heaving in convulsion."

in reply:

"As a small ending note, a good friend in Oslo recently forwarded me an article from the Norwegian press. At the end of December, Sven Arild Andersen, director of the Oslo bourse, announced he was fed up with depending on the London oil bourse trading oil in dollars. Norway, a major oil producer, selling most of its oil into euro countries in the EU, he said, should set up its own oil bourse and trade its oil in euros. Will Norway - a member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization - become the next target for the wrath of the Pentagon? "

[ibid]

there appears to be a struggle for supremacy within parts of the Western Elite.


btw, bearing in mind the criticism of Greece's former Govt for hiding the 'true realities' of their budget deficits, have a read of:

https://www.utopia-politics.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=32507&st=0&p=407269&#entry407269

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attempted repost of part of #87:

see page 38 of:
[Unsuitable/Broken URL removed by Moderator]%2Fwww.projectcensored.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F05%2FElectromegnaticWeapons.pdf&images=yes

[i've been barred from posting any of the text, it seems]

i recall reading years ago that with brain-electrode research, scientists had been able to pinpoint the brain centres that lifted people's arms. The very interesting thing was that when the electrode was stimulated without the knowledge of the test subject, the test subject actually thought it was *them* that wanted to move their arm when it moved. The brain 'explained' the act away, and it was only when the subject was informed, and told to keep their arm down consciously, that the subject realised they were under external compulsions. That Governments in the West, including our own, can put £Bns into such research, REALLY puts the lie into our being 'democracies', wouldn't you say?

it will also be very interesting to hear what MI5 has to say about the 7/7 bombings - *IF* we, the Public who pay for their activities, DO get to hear their testimony.

lets face it, the secretive, cellular nature of the Security services are the perfect vehicle for undermining a popular democratic society by hostile forces. It would be awesome to have MI5's files open to public scrutiny - and about as likely as the moon turning out to be an EU cheese mountain.

did you ever watch 'Firefly'?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKYFNsnO-tc

--

can i ask what it is about homosexuals that would make you hesitant to vote for them? If it turned out that a politician whom you greatly admired suddenly admitted they were bi or homo, would it change your attitudes to them?


#84: brossen: the carbon we are emitting is poisoning the oceans, the plankton are dying off in incredible numbers. The poisons we are putting on our farmland is destroying our streams, rivers and seas.

https://www.coral.org/node/207

you should already know that i am not a AGW priest, but by DAMN i am worried about the other consequences of unlimited industrial petro-chemical/carbon pollutants.

#71 continuation

London weather later on

My prediction came true
As the sun shone through
And I did see some planes up there in the sky
Flying over the Horseman by Watts
And Victoria’s monument over the lake across,
After which I walked and cycled to Queen’s
To glide, to twirl and to spin.
It is now twenty to twenty one
And it is still quite lovely and bright.

mim

ok, no PDF links.

don't imagine anyone will bother, but follow the link from here to the PDF, and its page 38 that i was referring to:

https://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/us-electromagnetic-weapons-and-human-rights/

mods, that was a mere 2 paragraphs from a 40+page article. Why all the fuss to prevent me posting it?? I very much doubt the authors would have minded that much. Oh well, "Ours is not to reason why..."


btw, if we keep this up fellow NN-Bloggers, we won't need the actual programme NewsNight itself! lol ;D

sorry, the link @ #90 should have been:

https://www.utopia-politics.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=32507&st=0&p=407269&#

to start from the top.


-the posting at #91 was also the posts #87/#89/#91, if anyone was wondering what more gibberish and long-winded blithering the BBC mods had lovingly removed. ;)

On some MI5 agents

The MI5 is in a bit of a twist
But the coalition now has the list
Of what some of its agents get up to
Instead of defending the Realm
Under the ‘guidance’ of Mandy and Brown,
Spending a fortune on a chemist, a clown
And a teddy obsessed with the ‘Pooh’.

M

#92 gnu "can i ask what it is about homosexuals that would make you hesitant to vote for them? If it turned out that a politician whom you greatly admired suddenly admitted they were bi or homo, would it change your attitudes to them?"

I have expressed my views sufficiently already.
I could well ask why you seem so persistent on the subject, and incredulous that there are people with different values and moral standards to yourself. I don't accept laws that prohibits natural discrimination; which started off anti-UNFAIR discrimination, but by a creeping mandate have become an absolute perjorative by law.
I

THEY WERE NEVER GOING TO RETREAT FROM NUKES WITHOUT AN ALTERNATIVE (#94)

Not that the nuclear reduction is necessarily true!

As I have posted before: nukes are just big, messy bangs. They are old thinking - black powder, raised by degrees of magnitude. It stands to reason other weapons - far more subtle and devastating - will be under development in a secret research facility 'near' you.

#97: imdy, perhaps you explained it fully before i started posting here again? I certainly have no memory of you mentioning it before, i was quite surprised as it happens.

...don't you live in brighton? :o


i haven't yet seen anywhere where LGBT legislation has handed LGBT's more rights than heteros, and i just don't see why someone's sexuality should be held against them?

but its OK, i'm not demanding you agree with me, lol. :)

i was just asking for clarification, as i didn't know you thought that.


#98: some of those technologies are truly scary, and many are now already being used against protesters across the world. 'They' are not going to give up without a fight, methinks.

and no doubt those who raise their heads and question, learn and spread the knowledge, will be the first to go. But frankly, far better to have fought for freedom, rights, compassion and justice, and lose, than to watch the World falling into Hell. Again.

2012. 2012.

IT SEEMS INEVITABLE THAT WE CANNOT HELP OURSELVES (#99)

There is some indication that, a long time back, we revered the Feminine, were kept busy surviving, and had powerful taboos against excessive innovation. (Poignant the way Neanderthal is sneered at for remaining in stasis - seen as 'non-development' - when perhaps he was WISE enough to know his limitations. Then Cro Magnon came on the scene, chucking his weight about like John Cleese, and we 'advanced' to the modern disaster. The irony is that we have the knowledge and tools to understand, and maybe ameliorate, but the Lunatics are firmly in charge of the asylum.

The Ape Confused by Language, has become deranged by 'progress'.