Friday 30 October 2009

THE EU's 'HAPPY HALLOWEEN GIFT TO THE WORLD'- A SUPERSTATE EU!!

HOW IRONIC!! THE PATH TO AN EU 'SUPERSTATE' CEMENTED IN TIME TO COINCIDE WITH NORTH AMERICAN 'HALLOWEEN'!!

UK AS PART OF AN EU OF 'INDEPENDENT, LOOSELY ALIGNED NATION-STATES'- YES;

UK AS PART OF AN 'EU SUPERSTATE'- WOULD CEASE TO EXIST AND THEREBY WOULD HAVE FORFEITED ITS 'WORLD INFLUENCE' IN TOTALITY!!!!!!!!!!!

The UK as a 'central player part' of an EU which is structured as: an aligned- TO VARYING DEGREES AND LEVELS- association of independent, sovereign nations would be but one of many international bodies in which the UK can, in the future, maintain and improve its historic constructive role worldwide...

But, a UK as part of a 'Lisbon Treaty facilitated' 'EU superstate', made up of surrender monkey, amalgamated 'former-nation-states' would eventually end up being trammeled by Continental ego's and memories-of-empires aspirations run-amok...

The EU was not conceived to eventually become a 'superstate political body', striding the international stage as a 'lock-step unit'- made up of amalgamated nations...

Its main purpose was intended to be, as a group of loosely, and to varying degrees aligned nations*, that by its existence, acted as an obstacle to a repeat of the worst of Europe's past:

- never ending wars;

- ethnic and racial intolerance/pogroms; and

- subjugation of/inappropriate profiting from overseas peoples via badly administered colonies and Empires...

* in social, economic and legal policy areas...

Unfortunately, should the UK allow itself to be part of the intellectually dishonest lie that is the Lisbon Treaty- GETTING OUT LATER WOULD NOT RETURN TO THE UK THE HIGH STANDING AND BROAD INFLUENCE THAT IT NOW HAS...

A 'superstate' EU will loose the most productive functional characteristic that has been a prominent part of the various EEC/EU models existing until today: the abilities of INDIVIDUAL EU MEMBER NATIONS to counterbalance each other and to act as checks and balances to stop less than desirable policies/laws from coming into force and/or to amend them...

Amalgamation of EU member nations' militaries- as the Lisbon treaty is leading towards- is unnecessary and in many ways represents an improper and overreaction by those with slighted egos to the 'world order' results of WWII'...

Constructively coordinating EU member and other nations' militaries can be and is regularly done capably through NATO...

Once the 'base' 'political unit' of the EU changes from what it has been for over 5-decades: 'individual member nations' to 'individual adults'- ALL member nations will have allowed themselves to be subjugated to a political governance structure that, down the road- could legislate or act in ways that would not be agreeable to or in the best interests of individual 'member' nations' peoples- and not in the world's best interests- but nothing will be able to be done by the EU's respective 'member' nations- other than damagingly attempting to get out of the 'superstate EU'...

There ought to be an EU- but not an EU that by its existence extinguishes the sovereignty and world-role of its member nations...


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Roderick V. Louis,
Vancouver, BC, Canada

Whilst it's not listed above I assume that the dismissing of Prof. Nutt (with the letter in the Quango) will be discussed.

I found this from Mr Johnson concerning
"I cannot have public confusion between scientific advice and policy"
Which implies that Prof. Nutt has gone because he refused to fit science around the govt policy, which is a slightly disturbing attitude from govt.

I don't understand what the purpose of the classification system actually is. If it is to be based solely on scientific advice it seems odd to use it to scale the penalties for criminal activities which seems to be the main outcome of the grading system. I'd have thought the social rather than the personal impact of the drugs should be of more importance in classifing them and therefore a drug could be personally not particularly harmful but socially a potential menace in which case the opinion of the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs wouldn't be as important.

THE RACE FOR THE POLE

Might it be that the masterful Mr Johnson is showing us (again - remember the troop-trip?) just how suited he is to take charge of a political party?

Party politician play political games - we are pawns - governance is incidental.

SPOIL PARTY GAMES.

I need a Drink

everyone knows alcohol is an addictive dangerous drug that blights our society. its not the first time in history the political class hiss against science.

if we believed politicians aids really would be caused by witchcraft? and that saddam had wmd?

Millibanopolis
should Milliband apologise for his bit of blatant hasbara handbookism? How can anyone ally themselves to people who are patrons of the JNF is of more relevant concern? Does Milliband consider the Israeli internet warfare team targeting BBC Online as anti british?

Vene Vidi Vici
the EU wants to relive the roman empire and appoint a Ceasar?

so here's a few quotes form the 'old days'

I love the name of honor, more than I fear death.
Julius Caesar

I had rather be first in a village than second at Rome.
Julius Caesar

but a certain Bill had better lines

"But, for my own part, it was Greek to me". - Julius Caesar Quote (Act I, Scene II).

"Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much: such men are dangerous" Julius Quote (Act I, Scene II). [does that remind you of anyone?]

..Mark Urban, who was once famously described as having saturnine good looks. ..

perhaps NN have a picture they could show us of the Adonis with a Brideshead backdrop of gold curtains and a gold cat figure?

Drugs

What if some drugs were socially beneficial? What if some drugs caused people to think? What if some drugs caused people to question what they are presented as reality? What if?

You know Solomon, tomb, wisdom, herb etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVG_dT6VuCQ

But it's been said before

The E.U. Constitution must be derailed, god damn it.

The British people, once again, must protect the Europeans from themselves and I'm perfectly willing to sacrifice the Tories to do so.

Oh, if only.

6.

drugs are for sick people. to advocate people being as pumped as full of drugs as a caged chicken or milk cow to be 'more productive' is the employers dream.

should the prize go to talent or the person who is more pumped with drugs as it can do in sport or uni exams? who do the praise? the person or the drug?

There was a report about cocaine use at the bbc. who do we praise? The 'talent'? or the cocaine?

there is a greater good in not needing drugs.

MIND-BENDING MADNESS OR MAD MINDS NEEDING BENDING?

I've posted on this variously before. The thought now occurs: might we get a better perspective, if we knew what percentage of addicts had their first 'taste' while disinhibited with alcohol (the true 'gateway drug')? A small poll should suffice.

It is worth repeating what a 'Drug Czar', in Reading, said to me, about ten years ago: "This is not a drug problem, it is a problem of PEOPLE who hurt so much through wretched lives, trying to hide from the pain." Is there just ONE 'caring' politician who VISCERALLY understands that?

WHAT IS THE MONARCH'S VIEW ON ALL THIS - WAS SHE INVOLVED? (#7)

Now that Britain is an EU re-development site, is Buckingham Palace - metaphorically - sitting on a stalk of ground, with surrounding area all bulldozed away? I see the Monarch holding on to her sovereignty over - over - well - nothing. It's all gone. Does she realise?

10

one unelected set should be replaced by another unelected set

we need reform here.

the uk can have an elected head of state to hand out medals and have garden parties. no need for the nation's representative to be privatised to the hereditary role gaming circle.

we also need a new non role gaming national oath and anthem.

Newsnight Review 30/10 - Hilarious to hear Johann Hari criticising someone for having an air of haughty superiority - pot, kettle, black?

Barrie

...it would appear that the blogdogs have 'eliminated' JJ.

AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT

As I understand it: the brain functions electro-chemically. It is due to the existence of the chemical processes that, by adding chemicals to our blood (the one system runs all - bad design) we can induce everything from anaesthesia to paranoia, while wrecking various organs.

Some individuals get lucky, they have inherently agreeable behaviour; they are liked and rewarded. "To those that have shall be given etc." Others get a chemistry that is all wrong, through no fault of their own - many are in prison.
It is a mark of just how UNCIVILISED we are, that this is not a currency in government. Add the fact that Westminster has 19 bars (in one you can still smoke) and the extent of ineptitude in those who purport to manage OUR lives is manifest. It's enough to turn you to drink.

NOT OVER TILL THE SHORT LADY ABDICATES. (#13)

No sign of JJ over on Stephanomics (600 odd posts!). She is probably sieving a whole bunch more devastating links out of the Web proving there is no such thing as Santa Claus etc. AND that God didn't make the little green apples . . . I, for one, will be paying attention.

Just watched the discussion re Philip Roth's novella The Humbling. Funny that for a supposedly intelligent group of commentators they can't even recall the name of the characters in the book. Describing the characters as Lesbian 1 and Lesbian 2 is an embarrassment. Lesbians aren't a species you know! Actually they represent real people.

Imagine if Nick Griffin this week had said...well...Jew 1 or Jew 2 or Black 1 and Black 2 blah blah blah...Quite rightly there would be an outrageous response. How is it that these so called analytical people fail to recognise the objectification of Lesbians is a 'real homophobic issue'. What is it that they are trying to say? What is the real purpose of discussing the characters sexuality if not titilation because there was no character analysis whatsoever. If this is not homophobic then please ensure you don't refer to any characters from other novels by name in the future and also that they are all called hetrosexual 1 and hetrosexual 2..........

Think you need to hire more people to moderate. Not sure you have cottoned on to the fact that people usually post comments to participate or feedback on discussion in something approaching 'real time'. Taking hours to moderate them misses the point!

Just came across this, surprised it hasn't seen the light of day a bit more often lately.

David Cameron 26 Sept 2007

"Today, I will give this cast-iron guarantee: If I become PM a Conservative government will hold a referendum on any EU treaty that emerges from these negotiations.

No treaty should be ratified without consulting the British people in a referendum."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/eu_referendum/article273758.ece

TOLERANCE IS A TWO-WAY BUSINESS. (#16)

On October 27th, my post (numbered 9) suggested a media (including arts) obsession with homosexuality, might be irritating the heterosexual community. A low level expression of such irritation - I suggest - might be just such oblique attack as lies in the employment of 'Lesbian 1' and 'Lesbian 2'. I suspect the 'offenders' were heterosexual!

#16 KellyGaddes you have a very good point there. I would agree the critics did speak as if "lesbians" were a breed apart, and not identifiable. Actually they kept on and on about "the lesbians", it was very condescending to say the least. My reason for putting the words in quotes was to make very clear how they used the word and yes it was to titilate I feel.

Hhhhhmmm, Mim and streetphotobeing, are very conspicuous by their absence this evening, I wonder why?! ; )

SENTENCED TO ETERNITY (#18)

The Westminster malaise runs deep like dry rot and bed sores. Note the 'get-out sentence: "No treaty should be ratified without consulting the British people in a referendum."

Sincere words - of course! BUT - No treaty CAN BE RATIFIED if ALREADY ratified. Thus it is with great sadness that Honest Dave finds himself LOCKED OUT of his promise BY THE ACTION OF OTHERS.

The sentence Dave did not utter, at that time, was: "But it stands to reason that, once ratified, a referendum on the treaty is no longer valid." He could, of course, have added; "Trust me - I'm Dave."

There, in a polished nut-shell, is the next Prime Minister of Britain. No more savoury than any of the others - distilled from the same mash, in the same pot, heated with the same Hell-Fire. It is called Westminster governance and will take us down.

from mimpromptu re: Tim
Whatever the reasons for Tim's death /which may or may not have been precipitated by fowl play/ this should never have happened. Considering he was so unwell with infection virtually eating away at his legs, he shouldn't have been allowed to live as a homeless person, out every night selling copies of 'The Big Issue' not knowing whether he'd be able to earn enough money to sleep the night with a roof over his head.
To Tim
It’s six minutes past six
To be expected probably is some further autumnal mist
Once the sun’s ready to show us its light
Helping along the sensitive to continue their fight
In defence of the fundamental and humanly rights.

Tim was an example how things can go wrong,
Who didn’t have enough strength to fight injustices along,
With the medical profession letting him down
And where were the Social Services in the London town?

I’ve written this as a remembrance to Tim
Signed – still very upset mad Madam Mim.

'WOKE UP THIS MORNIN'

To hear John Burcow getting excited about the Youth Parliament having more female and disabled representation than his sad outfit. It led me to ponder the value of such representation. Is a woman (all too often nominal) presumed to know about women and their 'issues'; with ethniks, disabled, etc similarly auto-endowed?

My pondering moved on the appointment of the highly opinionated Jacqui Smith as a Home Secretary. Crime and Terrorism are MALE dominated arenas, dominated by visceral male, anger and nihilism TO WHICH, BEING FEMALE, CAN BRING NO SPECIALIST UNDERSTANDING. What was that all about then?

Might it be that the 'representative array' of MPs, is just crass posturing, and yet another way to play Party Games? ("We are more diverse than you - na na na-na na!")
Personally, I would rather see mature, contemplative MPs, regardless of packaging, capable of FINDING OUT, and applying, truths to which they have no intrinsic access (lack of which competence, has just been so ably demonstrated by Alan Johnson, in sacking Prof Sir David Nutt).

In short: we need to be governed by those who put competent management of 60+ million diverse folk, before ANY OTHER CONSIDERATION - personal, party or pathetic.

Has David Nutt stepped outside The Lie? Might this be that first crack in the dam (that David Davis wasn't)? There is so much that needs to be swept away. Make it so.

Barrie - peter hitchins thinks the right not to vote is one of our most important freedoms. https://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/may/14/peter-hitchens-interview

Mim - please tell me who Tim is.

TRY THAT ON YOUR MP (#25)

I have had two MPs tell me I can spoil my paper (in response to a request for one more box 'abstention' TO BE COUNTED AND REPORTED BY LAW).

This is clearly insulting and undemocratic. Fools or Knaves? The change will cost a miniscule amount, but will blow the party game-players out of the water.

Democracy - where?

talking of bercow- how come the house flippers escaped? if anyone mortal told the benefits system such porkies would it be so easily dropped?

STRATEGIES FOR SELF PROTECTION AND SURVIVAL AGAINST ALL ODDS (#27)

Hi Bookhim! As I might have said before (:o) Westminster is an organism that has great powers of self-healing and survival. The parties play games within that citadel, and any governance amounts to 'fall-out' from that self-serving process. Small wonder we stumble from cock-up to cock-up with immeasurable lost-motion and lost money. The term 'Great Britain PLC' is such a joke. No business would last 5 minutes, run so badly (and no bank would lend to it!) The house-flippers were always going to escape. The level of obfuscation is infinite in the protection of the organism. In mythology, about now, a towering figure always turns up. But JJ says we can't have a hero, so: looks like we are stuffed.

I still feel the Monarch should mount a 'suicide mission' against corrupt governance, banking and patronage. She would go down in History, blazing with the light of honour, rather than go down like a cheap balloon, in ignominy - as assured by the booted march of the EU over her realm. One thing is certain: a large mass of apathetiks would rally behind her!

#28 from mimpromptu
it's 'interesting' Mr Singleton how you carefully 'choose' to use my ideas and imagery /me, who you full well is a woman/ without giving me any credit for it. You are just the same as any inadequate parliamenterian in the service of the ignominious jj.
To tell you the truth, Mr Singleton, who is in the service of jj, there are heros out there, people risking their lives to save others, relatives looking after kids from broken or drugged up parent/s, etc, etc.
It's just amazing what impact one mad Madam Mim seems to be exerting in more than one way. Sexually or otherwise, that is.
You seem to be as pathetic as jj to be honest, Mr Singleton. Sorry to have to state it as bluntly as that. OK?

#25
wappaho
who is jj?

"..Mark Urban, who was once famously described as having saturnine good looks..."

Who said that? His mother?

#24

....In short: we need to be governed by those who put competent management of 60+ million diverse folk, before ANY OTHER CONSIDERATION - personal, party or pathetic.


I have been cogitating and discussing just such a conundrum recently, with among others two friends considering moving from local to national politics. BOTH are hugely effective in their local communities, not only in speaking and acting on behalf of their members, but on the ground galvanising support and activity within those communities and DOING what needs to be doing on their hands and knees if necessary. BOTH are very sceptical about how much of their power to effect real change will be eroded by having to tow the party line amongst many other constraints of 'public service' at the higher level. They represent two of the three major parties.

It is my long held view that whilst many in politics enter that world with real passion and vision, those qualities are, if not driven out, well and truly buried under the flotsam and jetsam of very beaurocracy they want to stand for.

Two questions are uppermost in my mind.
1. How do we harness and nurture the good and goodwill, the skills and expertise that undoubtedly exist in many in 'politics' at varying levels? and
2. What should the organogram of national government look like?
3. (Oops - Monty Python sketch springs to mind....) WHERE do we find the leaders capable of making this work?
4. HOW do we pay them?

Sadly, in my experience, the larger an organisation becomes; the greater the layers of 'management'; the more often promotion to management is seen as a reward for having succeeded at the coal face the further it MUST depart from it's roots and visions. So often, an 'organisation' becomes totally self serving. You can see it from the committee's of the seemingly innocuous local activity groups, to the biggest banking corporations in the world. Ask them what their aims and objectives are, to reconfirm annually their reson d'etre, and few can come close to a tangible and valid methodology. Power and status become a highly addictive drug for far too many chairmen, manager and leaders. I spend rather a lot of my time and energy, in voluntary capacity, trying to get that message across to those intent on installing themselves in positions of percieved power whereby they systematically close down all attempts at progress in order to achieve nothing more than keeping themselves and a few cronies in their hallowed seats. Warts on the a**e of progress!

My personal non teaching experience in schools, education system is a prime example. A gifted classroom teacher is removed from the classroom after a number of years to begin climbing the managerial career ladder. Often their only experience of life and management comes from within the very blinkered education system, which they have been a customer/deliverer of since the age of 4 with scant experience in the 'real' world (apologies to teachers out there - it's what I see)

Very seldom are they good managers. Good people in many cases, undoubtedly. And very often great teachers - now lost in the mire of management and the consumer (pupil) loses out on every count.

The issue of partnership funding/management in schools/hospitals etc is a thorny one, and strewn with very poor examples that deter many from striving to find a suitable model.

Mr Hollands Opus this is not.

I do hope Roth didn't catch any Kirsty lurgy bugs. An interview worthy of instruction in how to gently patronise. Roth forgets his single day of frivolity and doesn't know what his writing about is delivered in quiet measured seriousness reminded me of a Bill Brandt interview with Bill Jay.

mim, i don't know who jj is.

Found a link to a rare Bill Brandt interview on film but not the Bill Jay one. Still he does the gentle patronsing very well - 'do you know when you have taken a good picture?' 'well yes I can see it in the ground glass screen'

https://www.billbrandt.com/Educate/video.html

#35 from mimpromptu
Streetphotobeing
I've just watched Billy Brandt talk about his photos. What an amazing man and what an eye he had. Like for example the photo he took at the Halifax station catching what I call an 'ephemeral' moment with the boys forming almost an circle and the symmetrical portrayal of the high rise structures in the background. My kind of stuff those structures aligned together in the distance. His photos of the miners are very touching as well.
I shall now proceed to watching Kirsty's interview with Philip Roth whose books unfortunately I've never read.
mim

#33 from mimpromptu
Streetphotobeing
You're right about the similarities between the Billy Brandt & Philip Roth interviews, with both of them seeming to be quiet and serious kind of guys although there does seem to be some subtle humour about them as well. As I said in the previous post, I can't possibly make any comments about him & his writing as all I have to go by is the interview itself and what I've read about him in the introduction. It's just possible he's virtually abandoned frivolity because he doesn't know how to handle it once letting himself to go, which seems to have happened after the episode with a woman 40 years younger than himself. I liked what he said about neutral periods in his life.
mim

#32 from mimpromptu
Brightyangthing
It's the first sensible analysis of what happens to well intentioned MPs entering Westminster these days, as that of good teachers/nurses/medical secretaries progressing on the managerial ladder in big organisations, I've read for yonks.
P.S. I think it'd do me good to 'study' a bit of 'Monthy Python' so well liked by quite a few members of my family in Poland.

My text: "COME UNTO ME - YE WHO ARE WITHOUT HONOUR, FOR YOU SHALL HAVE RICHES AND BE CALLED HONORABLE". (Unpublished 'Book of Lucifer')

And it came to pass, in those days, that the Devil took each MP in turn to the Fees Office where, under a rainbow sky, they looked out, over the John Lewis List, to the pot of gold beyond. And the Devil said: "Verily, if you choose and choose again from the list I have spread before you, whatsoever thou choosest, shall be given unto you - at no cost to yourself. For the pot of gold is replenished endlessly by my subjects, paying tax on their very lives. And God looked on helplessly, dying for just one MP to say: "Get thee behind the Chair of Mr Speaker, Satan - for verily, that is where your voice is best heard." But not one MP felt God‘s presence, so strong had Lucifer grown since The Fall. Thence: all down through the darkening days, John Lewis grew in stature while Westminster was, progressively, mired in Devilish Deceit.

So much wrong out there either ignored or 'interpreted' as 'news' so as to be misreported by many media (apparently Ms. Harman was Marred by a savage "Listen with Aunty' hug but Mr. J got actually interviewed by SKY) it's hard to know whether to laugh or cry, so I'll simply opine to this:

26. At 08:42am on 31 Oct 2009, barriesingleton wrote:
Fools or Knaves?

In reply to most of your questions posed, on this and other topics: BOTH!

mimpromptu 29

You really have lost it, do you think you might need to see someone about your paranoia and delusions of grandure?

Just because you dont understand what barrie has written you should not attack him, what he said has got nothing to do with you. I dont agree with everything JJ says but he is right about you.

I enjoy reading the intelligent comments on these boards but not your paranoid ramblings.

Nos37

mim

I remember at the time of the Brandt interview being shown, myself and other photo friends thought it dreadful - so patronising to treat one of the great photographers in such a way. Old and frail he may have being but to treat like a child with the affected speak. Looking back it gets much better as it goes on or maybe its my dumbing down.

Just looked at the Fry/tweeter thing and thought he should come on here and get a thick skin.

Did a good job of NN Martha, they should of had you presenting more but maybe that smile did it in for you.

Nos 41

Seeing somebody - its already happened and its being attended to. So calm yourself down, its only a blog.

ASK NOT FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS............


.... YE WHO ARE WITHOUT HONOUR
Mmmm. Me thinks I detect the merest hint of cynicism. (#39)
Now I am not particularly bright or intellectual and don’t intend to play with too many obtuse references or big words but see three main bones of contention in our current democratic system of government according to the Great British Public
The first, based on the quote above, that there is NO HONOUR (or honesty?) at ANY point in ANY of those seeking or achieving power within the elected representation in this fine land of ours?
Secondly, that it is the system that is rotten.
Thirdly, the basic difference of course between rip off MP’s and rip off business men and women (that’s most of the rest of the population) is WHO (the tax payer) pays their salaries/expenses.
3. As is often my way, I shall start at the end by postulating that in some respects, don’t we also pay the salaries/expenses of anyone in a business that provides a service or goods that we can choose to buy or use? So when they pilfer petty cash, falsify or ‘stretch’ their expenses or take home pens or sellotape or get discounted goods from their workplace, etc WE are subsidising their lifestyles by the prices we pay for whatever the end product of their work. A bit like shoplifting. SO why do we expect those of a certain profession to be above such sharp practice .
Frankly, if we expect our politicians/leaders to be perfect and squeaky clean and without error or misdemeanour anywhere in their lives from cradle to grave, we will find them harder to locate than the proverbial needle in the haystack.
2. The system. If it is indeed so rotten, is there a national government whose model should be considered for adoption? Would that it were possible to return to the good old mediaeval values of serf and master? (still wearing the ‘devil’s advocate costume from Halloween!)
1. Honourable intentions of the individual. How does one take a well meaning, well intentioned, decent, caring reasonably intelligent human being into ANY position of power, give them ANY financial reward or status for their efforts and STILL have the purity of vision and service they were originally lauded for.
Do you pay nothing/little, and perhaps find greed and corruption rife.
Or
Pay a lot, a find greed and corruption rife.
Someone better (and older) than me once said something very clever about power and corruption.
Finally, we, the GBP (especially users of MB’s, Blogs and twitterers) appear to be very good indeed at showing our distrust, distress and downright dislike of anyone whom places themselves in a position of power and influence, especially if that power and influence falters or does not serve our own individual priorities.
We seem rather more reluctant to either stick our own heads above the parapet, preferring our comfortable chairs in front of the laptop and a stream of negative hot air, or offering any constructive, positive objective solution based ideas.

#39 barrie
Be not afraid for many of the Lucifer-Lewis liars are about to Sir Thomas Legg-it before the next election. Another wave might follow Sir Christopher Kelly's recommendations - assuming that they are accepted by the new Parliamentary Standards Authority. Harrier Harm-man was evasive about this on the Andrew Marr show this morning, stating that only PSA, not MPs have the power to amend, adding 'when they are properly set up'.
So that may allow a period of apparent total acceptance, give or take a few employed spouses and existing flipped mortgages to continue, followed (when there is a suitable bad news day for hiding such trivia) by some amendments to revert to type.

News of the scientific breakthrough, in which human sperm and eggs have now been grown in the laboratory may, in the longer term, allow the breeding of a new type of member, free of any aberrant genes.

43 streetphotobeing

No idea what your talking about sorry?
Seeing somebody?

What does this have to do with my post?

Nos 46

'You really have lost it, do you think you might need to see someone about your paranoia and delusions of grandure?'

Seeing somebody.

OH BRIGHTYANGTHING - YOU TOLLED ME SO! (#44)

Both the post above, and another recent magnum opus of yours, read with great interest. You write much that is challenging, and much that I agree with. As you (I hope) can imagine, I have ground exceeding small in the matter of how we get from here to a better place. Yes, in the current world, individuals who can 'keep their heads' (in power) when all about are losing theirs (or had already 'lost' coming in) are rare as amoeba eggs, but I am of the view they ARE out there. Our culture/'education' yields, inexorably, a diminishing supply, which is why one of my suggestions is a humour-based (cartoon) basic psychology for the VERY young. (More on that story elsewhere.) I got a long way with that idea it - and nowhere. I also put money to mouth, and ideas in the high street, standing for Parliament (SPOIL PARTY GAMES) but 'they' were not ready to 'get it'. This year 'they' just might hear the message. I shall be out there again, but not as a candidate.

To restate: I hold the view that HomSap defaults to immaturity; also to cleverness rather than wisdom - perhaps a consequence? I am tempted to state we default to perversity also! Being an UN-ADMITTED (in daily matters) mix of animal and cerebral, in ill-fitting proximity, we can only become competent in complex, global life, if we master ourselves in the terms outlined. Currently we are charging in the wrong direction led by the most aberrant of our kind. I s'pose I should have prayed more . . .

In the Guardian:

'Anti-fascist groups have expressed grave concerns about the formation of the Alliance of European National Movements, warning that it threatens to undermine the democratic process.

So far, five far-right parties – Hungary's Jobbik, France's National Front, Italy's Three-Colour Flame, Sweden's National Democrats and Belgium's National Front – have signed up to the coalition, agreeing to abide by a declaration of common goals drafted by the BNP's leader, Nick Griffin.'

So are these other far right parties also, like the elastic BNP, "not Nazi" parties and do they have vague views about the Holocaust and what their philosophy is?

Do they define their "nationalism" in such a way that it can be distinguished from all of the other political parties who would almost certainly also describe themselves as nationalist?

Is Nick Griffin ever going to have the bottle to say what he does believe in?

In the IoS:

'Yet one of the most serious and widespread abuses of the system – known as "flipping" – has been swept under the carpet. It is not expected to feature in the Kelly review, because his reforms will not be applied retrospectively, meaning all "flippers" will escape censure.'

Would I be right to assume though that no flippers will be standing at the next general election? If so are their replacements in place or their parties ready to lose the seats?

FOR THOU ART WITH ME IDG2 - THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW (#45)

Your usual 'nice' touches IDG2. Always a joy. (:o)

I hope the lab genes are Har-free. She speaks of more wimmin in Parliament, but I question 'more', and wonder what definition of wimmin she is applying.

Speaking of evasion. How odd is that Hannan? Nails EVERTHING unequivocally until asked if the Tories will lose votes. He said: "I DON'T KNOW." Hannan doesn't know? NON SEQUITUR or what? So even Hannan, who has many attributes of the Hero figure, collapses under the lash of Party Politics.

Oy Dave! SPOIL PARTY GAMES.

This weekend's media yielded very little of good cheer as we enter the season of myths and hellish flu-fullness – accompanied by late night fireworks and trick ‘n treat vandalism.
A few items of note are:

“Parents refused entry to accompany their children in a playground park”
Their kids have to be supervised by council-appointed ‘play rangers' cleared through the Criminal Records Bureau, whereas parents have not (therefore should be regarded as suspected criminals?) An absolute nonsense as CRB checks can never reveal potential criminality, viz. people now under investigation for alleged abuse at a Children’s Home who were no doubt CRB’d, and other known paedophiles were involved.
How reliable are these checks at £50+ for every change of employer?

“Prince Edward’s gaff about the risk of death being a possible added attraction of the Duke of Edinburgh’s Award scheme”.
Substitute the word ‘danger’ for death, and it’s a perfectly reasonable statement. I enjoyed the challenges of free diving, scuba diving and aerobatics right up to retirement but have never had a death wish. The growth of ‘extreme sports’ may be reaction against the growth of nanny state extreme health and safety legislation. To make a real impression and contribution Royalty should try commenting on important and crucial issues that the public want publicised and addressed?

“Town Hall stealth taxes cost average family £180/year”
Increases in charges for services, ranging from car parking and school dinners to pest control, were revealed by Dept of Communities and Local Government. BBC TV Parliament channel covered a cross-party ‘discussion panel’ on Friday dealing with increased business charges. The Minister for Communities and Local Government was addressing a large conference room, with places and papers set for some 60 members, but apart from the chairperson and a couple of secretaries, all seats were empty! Where were all the flipping panel members? From my random glances at this channel, this level of absenteeism seems common in both houses of parliament, and is possibly one reason why stealth taxes can be slipped in unchallenged and undebated.

On this Friday’s BBC Question Time Jaquie Smith, Home Secretary got the ‘lynch mob’ treatment from the panel, studio audience and Chairman David Dimbleby. I couldn’t help wondering whether this was also stage managed in an attempt to show that this is normal stuff and last week’s (BNP) QT was not specially orchestrated.

The good news, included in Friday’s NN, was of the resignation of several councillors in Taunton, Somerset, through one man’s blogs. This supports my stated belief that more powers should be passed from central to local government, thus giving us choice on what type of government and policies we wish to live under, and also more power to hire and fire those we chose to govern us. Can we claim any influence on this site?

#28 barriesingleton

'The house-flippers were always going to escape. The level of obfuscation is infinite in the protection of the organism. In mythology, about now, a towering figure always turns up. But JJ says we can't have a hero, so: looks like we are stuffed.'

Your pal Jaded_Jean, the Holocaust "agnostic" knows all about mythology what with the Holocaust "agnosticism" and the eugenics and the race "realism".

Nuremburg and successive trials and the science behind the recent programmes like the Channel 4 "Race and Intelligence" and "The Incredible Human Journey" nail down the truth pretty tightly.

Still if you are prone to be guided by National Socialist ideas of that poster that is of course your affair.

But I think the rest of the country would prefer to sort out the glitches in the democratic process and move on as opposed to ditching democracy in favour of some Fuhrer-state.

Fortunately there is no political party that agrees with Jaded_Jean and the far right.

The BNP are "not a Nazi Party" and seem very confused indeed about what they are.

So democracy it is huh!

#15 barriesingleton

"No sign of JJ over on Stephanomics (600 odd posts!). She is probably sieving a whole bunch more devastating links out of the Web proving there is no such thing as Santa Claus etc. AND that God didn't make the little green apples . . . I, for one, will be paying attention."

The "devastating links" usually are rebutted by Nuremburg and something called science that is reflected in the above mentioned "Incredible Human Journey" and Channel 4's "Race and Intelligence". There is no scientific consensus or any notable scientific centres behind the views of Jaded_Jean and in fact common sense shows that as the human race is largely descended from a very few individuals in the relatively recent past there has been no time for any evolutionary divergence. There is no basis for race "realism" as described by that poster.

People will know that that is true because whenever it comes down to the nitty gritty the far right lay down smoke and move onto new lies or possibly websites.

For instance there have been no Nazi war crimes trial where the defence has successfully used, or indeed tried to use, the statistical analysis offered by Jaded_Jean with regard to the Holocaust and survival rates of Jews afterwards. Jaded_Jean "is not an expert witness" but that leaves aside why an expert could not use the statistical "evidence". I believe Irving did try a similar line and of course was jailed in Austria.

Similarly the notion offered by jaded_Jean that the Holocaust was made up to put people off "statists" and that those that died perished due to disease or the violence of the Russians. The Russians were Stalinist "statists"!

There is no evidence whatever to support that claim. That defence has also not become known via war crimes trials.

The confused views of the "devastating" jaded_Jean also include the notion that there was great ideological convergence between the Nazis and the Stalinists. Stalin himself was not aware of this and spoke of being very unenthusiastic at the 17th Party congress off the top of my head. Not only that the Russians fought the Nazis in the Spanish civil war. Hitler had the Stalinist KPD liquidated - according to history rather than the la-la-views of Jaded_Jean. Finally roughly twenty five million died in the Russian resistance to the Nazi invasion.

Also Jaded_Jean has described the virtues of National Socialism but has often praised the BNP.

But of course the BNP are "not a Nazi Party" and see Churchill as a hero and the Spitfire as a useful symbol and so that is very inconsistent!

The far right, as the public describes them, are very confused.

47 streetphotobeing

Yes a psychiatrist

#41
why do you want to reap benefits of a paranoid one then?
the matter has been referred to the Police -have had a coupe of confirmations at least they do not agree with you and your mates

#41 redeyeutd

"I dont agree with everything JJ says but he is right about you.

I enjoy reading the intelligent comments on these boards but not your paranoid ramblings"

Jaded_Jean does not agree with everything that Jaded_Jean says - take the Nazi-Stalinist history - or confection - that is full of contradictions and that poster in not a Nazi but is a National Socialist that see many good things in Hitler's policies.

As for paranoia well the Holocaust was made up according to Jaded_Jean. So all of these millions of people conspired together and worked out their lies. The governments collaborated and the courts, I presume, also connived.

But there is no attempt to overturn Nuremburg or any war crimes trial using the "evidence".

Jews are apparently an "internal political and economic threat" and dominate the world in a conspiracy!

Yet there is no attempt to identify this alleged influence and thwart it via the courts or the Equalities Commission.

Its all really rather like the BNP London Assemby Member Barnbrook. He never set out to lie about local murders but the combined effect of dyslexia and church bells affected him and he cited some local murders that in fact had never happened and the local council had to pull him up for bringing the body into disrepute.

Its always best to check with the far right.

#39 barriesingleton

"while Westminster was, progressively, mired in Devilish Deceit"

Not like the BNP who are not a Nazi party! No sir they aren't. They love Churchill and Spitfires and those that fought the Nazis and the National Socialism!

By the way you say above (#15) how you listen to the views of Jaded_Jean - the National Socialist - who likes the BNP.

Deceit:

' the act or practice of deceiving; concealment or distortion of the truth for the purpose of misleading; duplicity; fraud; cheating: Once she exposed their deceit, no one ever trusted them again.' etc.

JJs whereabouts

see 656 Stephanomics https://bbc.kongjiang.org/www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/stephanieflanders/2009/10/why_them_and_not_us.html?page=2

..... But I think the rest of the country would prefer to sort out the glitches in the democratic process and move on as opposed to ditching democracy in favour of some Fuhrer-state. #53
Having failed to find anything even halfway as fair and clean, despite all of its failings - all subjects over a certain age rather than IQ or any other limiting factor have the same power over outcomes, despite the numbers who think ‘the Sun’ is a NEWSpaper! - as British democracy, I tend to agree.
Sadly, there seems a distinct dearth of politicians prepared to risk loss of votes by telling the truth, as unpalatable as it may be, especially in regards to digging our way of current difficulties.
And a similar shortage of journalists, economists or business leaders with the moral rectitude or spherical objects to seek out and present such same facts as they are known in a way that can be assimilated and assessed by the GBP in numbers as would allow the changes required to take place.
Most it would appear, even those with the greatest intentions are too often tied by their contractual obligations to party/broadcaster/media tycoon/shareholders and probably by the families they need to feed and homes they need to maintain. Like a game of snakes and ladders. Square one looms large.
So perhaps it is the GBP who need educating in a reality beyond BB or XFactor. Perhaps it should be a compulsory element of all education to listen to ‘Winds of the Old Days’ a reply by Joan Baez to Bob Dylan’s 1st comeback. Especially the verse containing the following “ Idols are best when they’re made of stone, saviours’ a nuisance to live with at home, stars often fall, heroes go unsung and martyrs most certainly die too young.”
If our leaders did not share and thus by association understand our own human frailties the worse for all of us it would be.
Obfuscation - Great word. Does what it says on the tin!

Nos 55

As you know its moderated here, so I don't think they will allow anything too 'difficult' However if you see stuff that flames you up a bit perhaps you could spare a thought for a mind that's not quite functioning as it should and maybe just let it be and move on.

Nos 59

I'm sure gangofone will attend the crime scene shortly to address the word pollution.

You know I have always thought that many of the posters on this page are basically prompted and scripted by the BNP who are attempting to broaden their support.

But the trouble is they can't really do that without breaking cover.

For instance if the BNP have tapped into new support from Question Time is it due to their described views - as "not a Nazi party" with emblems of Churchill on Euro Literature - or to what some suspect are their genuine views as National Socialists who would have probably fought with Hitler by choice.

How can they maintain the direction of the party and how would they switch from their described views to their genuine views and keep the party? Is it any wonder that their membership retention is apparently very poor and they are prone to internal feuds?

Surely they are building in the instability and incoherence that means that they can never succeed in any event.

For instance when on Question Time Griffin was asked about his conviction and his Holocaust views he just waffled.

Then again they do waffle anyway as there is no substance to their views and they have no courage.

Griffin with his unstated current Holocaust views is like Newfazer who sometimes posts, and shares similar views to the National Socialist Jaded_Jean, and is "agnostic" on the Holocaust.

"I have never claimed a mountain of evidence against the holocaust, I simply say I can find very little for it. Newfazer Fri 27th March"

You know Newfazer and Griffin both had grandfathers who were in the RAF in WWII.

go1

Are you a member of UAF or AFL?
You seem to think that anyone with a view contrary to yours is a member of the 'far right' why is that?

#19 barriesingleton

"On October 27th, my post (numbered 9) suggested a media (including arts) obsession with homosexuality, might be irritating the heterosexual community."

So thats why there was such a furore about Gately and apparently a backlash against Danni Minnogue an so on?

Thats also why many gay media broadcasters are very popular.

The "irritation" may be felt by those on the far right.

Nick Griffin referred to the victims of the Copeland (a BNP member) gay pub bombing in Soho saying they were "flaunting their perversion in front of the world's journalists, [and had] showed just why so many ordinary people find these creatures disgusting".

Maybe the problem is with the far right - despite the fact that Hitler was unconcerned about Rohms homosexuality.

There is no logical reason to fear the gay community.

62 - have a look, it's funnier than you think.

"THERE IS NO LOGICAL REASON TO FEAR THE GAY COMMUNITY" (#65)

Excellent point Gango. Will you try to tell all the idiots who insist on using the suffix 'PHOBIA' (for a response more akin to distaste) or shall I try?

PS For the avoidance of doubt, a phobia is an ILLOGICAL FEAR (as opposed to - say - a defensible stance).

Keep those insights coming.

Gof1

Before your usual weekend bombing run reaches my post, allow me to defuse some of your regular blitz, as I may have presented a target by including the trigger 'BNP' in one of my posts

I have just been elevated to a state of ecstasy (pity that word, like 'gay' has been misappropriated) by watching two TV programmes.

The first was of classical music composed by Wagner (a German and anti-Semite) and performed by an orchestra of young Jews and Arabs. The second was a tribute concert to Freddie Mercury, who was a homosexual, as were several of those performing. This confirms that I have a huge regard for talent, irrespective of race or sexual persuasion. It does not change my sincerely held belief - that England is being ruined by the multicultural invasion, which has now been revealed to have devisive political motives - any more than the fact that I have won 3 Immigration Appeals and brought foreign in-laws into my household.

However, my criteria for those that entertain and those that have power to govern my way of life are very different. Naturally(advisedly) I prefer those that govern to share my values and beliefs as close as possible, though few seem prepare or able to express them. Although I have been fascinated by working and living in different cultures for 20 years, I deplore the extent to which alien cultures are destroying many aspects of my English heritage.

I found Raggie Omar's programme on racism and IQ of interest, but do not regard IQ to be of major concern in my life, having a spouse at the opposite end of the bell curve, which possibly contributes to a happy marriage. However, I share the concerns blogged by others about the 'toxic' effect on our society of high birth rate linked with low IQ, irrespective of race, and will continue to express these concerns within the increasing constraints of legislation.

......“Parents refused entry to accompany their children in a playground park”
Their kids have to be supervised by council-appointed ‘play rangers' cleared through the Criminal Records Bureau, whereas parents have not (therefore should be regarded as suspected criminals?) An absolute nonsense as CRB checks can never reveal potential criminality, viz. people now under investigation for alleged abuse at a Children’s Home who were no doubt CRB’d, and other known paedophiles were involved.
How reliable are these checks at £50+ for every change of employer?
#52
How much farther down this road can we possibly go? Adults not allowed to serve in sweet shops; segregated sessions in swimming pools, zoos or adventure parks; requiring to hand over your passport before entering a supermarket; portable personal protection zones collected at coin ooperated 'parking' zones in all shops, cinema's and restaurants?
'Society' used to take care of this. We watched out for each other and each others kids. You could shout at them if they were out of line, cuddle them if they fell over.
I could paper my walls with Disclosure certificates, and spend far too much time completing them for others so one parent can help supervise an activity at which there may be other unaccompanied youngsters, often the same kids who run around each other's homes unchecked.
These restrictions, usually put in place by one confused, paranoid individual in an organisation (usually government department of major multi national corp) will turn us into a nation of cold clinical automotons. Child Protection/hands OFF health care suffer likewise.
Several years ago, in a primary school a young pupil in assembly turned grey, lurched forward and was violently sick before collapsing. By parental (human) instinct, moving swiftly to assist, I was pulled of by another member of staff and told I must not touch (bodily fluids!) until I was gloved. Poor child needed a hug and hand to get cleaned up. I continued with that task whilst other staff, including her own MOTHER, faffed around with protective coverings.
We MUST of course protect children where possible from those intent on doing harm, but not at the cost of loving, trusting support within the community.
Let's not forget:-
MOST abuse takes place within the home/family situation with someone known to the family.
The danger is LESS the stranger than the nature of an activity. This is the message we should teach.
Parents needs to get back to parenting their children. And be supported for doing so. That involves saying and meaning no sometimes; setting and maintaining boundaries; giving incremental levels of freedom in response to their incremental levels of responsibility and the likes.
Ooh, rant over...........
Of course, the other more cynical option is that the whole thing is a money making operation, cos sure as eggs is eggs, someone is raking it in.....

#44 & 60
brightyangthing
well said
mim

"A HAAAAAAAAANDGRRRENADE?" (#68)

There you go IDG2! Lobbing a handgrenade - a peemptory hand grenade at that, into Gango's beans-on-toast. And now I have to hide under the bed while he has finished bending the trigger on his Multiple-Post Howitzer.

Well thank you VERY much Jerry.

THE NEXT STEP IS OBVIOUS (#69)

"How much farther down this road can we possibly go?"

All (male) vaginal births will be anaethetised, prior to delivery, to avoid sight of female 'parts'.

A glance at the barking individuals, raised to high office by the Westminster charade, is enough to tell you : 'you ain't seen nothin' yet'.

#68
.... I found Raggie Omar's programme on racism and IQ of interest, but do not regard IQ to be of major concern in my life, having a spouse at the opposite end of the bell curve, which possibly contributes to a happy marriage.
Didn't see the programme, but interesting viewpoint. I can't say I have seen severe disparity of IQ between long term partners work in my experience but do not doubt yours. Perhaps shared interest, albeit on different levels is more of a benchmark.

.... However, I share the concerns blogged by others about the 'toxic' effect on our society of high birth rate linked with low IQ, irrespective of race, and will continue to express these concerns within the increasing constraints of legislation.


It's not a popular view point, at least not when voiced publicy, and almost inevitably brings with it accusations of connections with far right/racist leanings.
Far from it in most cases. It is an unpalatable but inescapable economic fact of life.
We are sold the story that we need to encompass growing world population (this is not about how many of what origin live where) in order to support an increasing aging population. Unfortunately, in sweeping generalities, the 'lower classes', the poor, the disenfranchised, the poorly educated, poorly resourced are producing more offspring exponentially than their better off better educated cousins. Whereas once this was designed to counter substantially lower life expectancies, such huge disparities no longer exist in the same populations.
The economic result will be in the not too distant future that we have a greater world population, with a greater percentage requiring financial support from cradle to grave, PLUS a greater number of the higher socio economic groups living to a ripe but needy old age, and not enough 'output' in the world to support them all.
The social result may be the rise of stronger more charismatic world leaders playing God through financial benefit schemes and deciding who gets the lions share - the elderly, the young, the disabled, the west, sub saharan africa, the middle east .... choose your group. A case perhaps of he who shouts (or fights) the hardest.....
Most people who recognise the case put above, do so with heavy hearts lest the opportunities to take reasonable action now to provide for those we already have, and effectively manage growth, be wrest from their hands by ......... God knows what monster. I doubt it will be Nick Griffin.
Let's not even start on how we 'feed' this Brave New World'?

#70
Must be the poet's heart.
Not that I want to encourage outpourings on this blog perhaps better suited elsewhere, but I agree with post 61.
Let what does not harm remain.

I attend creative writing classes ....... because the 'Creative Accounting' sessions group was over subscribed. Full................. of would be MP's!

#72.
That looks remarkably like an existing model. (wish they had ironic smiley's on this site)
How they gonna get everyone to convert?

HOW MANY TIMES MUST THE TRUTH BE DEMONSTRATED? (#78)

The Balkans showed, quite 'near home' how multicultural 'harmony' is an unstable mix. One small shock can set it off.

I have been ranting about DIFFERENCISM (Google it - the truth is out there) since the Blogdog was a puppy. Deep down in a bloke's animal viscera, he is a DIFFERENCIST. And now the girls think it is cool to be blokes. . .

What an unmitigated Gordain Mess.

#69 brightyangthing

Interesting posts. These are things I think but get so depressed about I can't be bothered to write them down. Thanks for doing it for me.

Care and compassion is being removed from the individual and community and being institutionalised. Soon it will be illegal for someone to care about another person. Unless they have the appropriate certificates and have attended the courses.

As time goes on it will be only us older ones who will be able to remember the time when it wasn't illegal to care for or look for another person.

Younger ones will be just born into a world where they are told everyone is bad and they can't help someone else unless they have the appropriate documentation.

Once it is made illegal for each of us to care. Then the opposite negatives will fill the void in our society. The future is bleak and extremely scary.

KCL #77
... us older ones
Us? Us???? Speak for yourself! I remain 35. My children are very confused.
I try not to let these things depress or scare me. Make me mad? Yes! Turn me into Mrs Angry of ........ (somewhere very near birthplace of the Beebs founding father) Yes! I maintain some degree of hope, even if it is that the pendulum will swing wildly back in the opposite direction. I am an optimistic realist. Or perhaps a realistic optimist.
Anyway, I'm not too good at following rules unless I have been overwhelmingly convinced that they are right or for the greater good. And that takes some doing.
On the other hand, perhaps we ARE in the death throws of our current civilisation. There are precedents.

#78 brightyangthing

35 is old enough. You can remember the time before. Things change so fast now. 10 years ago very few knew about climate change, now it children who the message is aimed at. 10 year old don't know of a time when they weren't told the atmosphere wasn't going to kill them. That is the fear they have always known.

Now children will only know a world when you can't help someone if you don't have the certificate. And if someone doesn't have the certificate then they are to be feared.

No 35 is old enough to be rapidly separated from the world children now are being born into.

Oops, sorry KCL. Perhaps I was trying to be too subtle. I only WISH I were still 35.
Change is rapid, and often knee-jerk. Situations like Soham, Sarah Payne, and little Maddy and to some extent the recent nursery abuse cases focus attention on the rare but personally devastating events. All of these cases are very complicated with interwoven responsibilities, errors and pure 'luck' to be taken into account. There is an 'anatomy' of accidents/incidents that rarely get a full airing in the public arena, often because again PC running scared policies and hyper-sensitivities make it unpalatable for anyone suffering any loss in any way to be held partially responsible.

Sadly, all the CRB checks, health certifications, food hygiene certificates and the likes are largely worthless paper exercises that keep people employed, circulate money but in very fdew cases add any real protection to anyone.

People, 'society' need to be empowered once more to take responsibility for what goes on around them and stop relying on dictats from on high, 'expert' books and the state run 'departments' to make things right.

from mimpromptu
Brightyangthing
You remain 35,
it's been so right from the beginning,
I still have proof of it.
mim

MANKIND NEEDS STEREOTYPES AND TABOOS TO BE SUSTAINABLE (#80)

"Soham, Sarah Payne, and little Maddy"

I am of the opinion that these are the visible toadstools that signal an all-pervading mycelium of twisted life, down in the dark. Our 'culture' contrives to twist and twist again.

Remnants of constrained societies still linger, but they cannot last. When OUR 'leaders' meet they talk 'growth' (Mammon) as the way to recovery, in the short term, and to Glory in the future. How odd, when the underlying malaise is a cancer.

They are children dressed up in grown-up clothes and slavishly aping the ways of previous 'grown-ups'. None are Adult enough to think it all out from first principles, and from a global perspective. Negativity is the only rational response.

Taboos have gone - in place we have Law, a means to wealth for lawless lawyers. And stereotypes are now vilified by the righteous who espouse, every day, another aberration, as if, Godlike, they 'see that it is good'.

No wonder the idea of GOING to Hell has lost its potency.

#79
... That is the fear they have always known.
Fear need not, in my opinion be all bad. The right sort of fear, managed in the right way, is part of natures safeguard.

#82
A lot in there to digest.
Order and boundaries have been lost, or at least buried, with intent, or more probably through oblivion to need.

As for children dresing/acting as adults. I end for a few days with the question of standards. Can they be agreed, restored? If so,what's the starting point - the parents who appear powerless or disinterested in protecting their own children, the children to try and cut the cycle of damage.

Just to change the subject, which is my forté

Why hasn't NN discussed this at length?...

https://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/minette_marrin/article6898174.ece?openComment=true

Why can a government change a society at will?

Why did the oposition not mention it?

Why did Straw not answer the question on immigration on QT?

Why is the wool pulled over our eyes?

Why are 50,000 foreign children in europe recieving British child benefit at our rate instead of the local rate?

Why do we not complain about serious issues only the petty ones?

Why are we such a weak people these days?

AMERICANS ARE SAYING "YES WE CAN" (ALTHOUGH OBAMA SAYS NOTHING) #83

I have now read hundreds of hours of '9/11 stuff' - it was clearly a 'false flag' operation. But the 'darndest thing' is those dumb flag-struck folk are NOT SWALLOWING IT! They are saying very loudly, in ever greater numbers: "Can we uncover the truth and thwart power-mad governance? YES WE CAN!" (And I predict they will.) Now if that can happen in America, surely we can get our country back on an even keel?

The one good thing about governance, is that it is as unsophisticated as it is devious. We are probably in Brer Rabbit/Fox territory here. It is more than possible that a dedicated bunch of sane, capable people (first snag) could bring awareness of the type I have described to our young, such that they grow up WISE! Now there's a thought. Sort of home-grown, benign, Midwitch Cuckoos.

I have a DREAM today. (;o)

#83 from mimpromptu
Aren't they amazing, those Kids?
It's precisely the damage I was hoping to at best keep at bay or at least reduce to a minimum degree but with Judases spreading their venom and pointing fingers at those who in their eyes step out of line it has proved difficult. But once the Judases have been incapacitated and disconnected things should start to improve for all parties concerned within the family unit we're talking about.
P.S. I can't possibly be expected to keep every creep and their families happy. I'm not interested in taking that one on, I'm afraid. There are all kinds of networking organisations that are there to help, be they psychiatric or psychotherapeutic.
mim

STEADY THERE LIZZY - THE THOUGHT POLICE ONLY ALLOW ONE QUESTION! (#84)

In skimming your link (Minett Marrin) I did not spot the most Heinous (or should that be Hainous?) act in the righteous Sraw Man's infamy. When Dimbleby was nearing the end of his 'Sarah' and asking, again, for Straw to answer, that unspeakable cad used Westminster 27.4.d: "I answered at the beginning" and Mr D let it go. THERE is living (and letting live) within the lie - writ large.)

Talking of government changing society at will: Hannan states, in his blunt terms, that the Lisbon treaty is the last that will be put out to 'the people' as IT PROVIDES, UNEQUIVOCALLY, FOR ABSOLUTE POWER TO PASS TO THE CENTRE OF EU GOVERNANCE. What was it Sailor Heath said again?

Oh - the overall answer is, as said before: Westminster elevates weird individuals and I must assume other EU member Parliaments do the same.
(Also to repeat:) We are so far down this road, only a 'suicide mission' by the Monarch could overturn it all. And just WATCH the people rally to her!

PS Got your name right at last.

Q. 84 Why are we such a weak people these days?

Q. 85 Now if that can happen in America, surely we can get our country back on an even keel?

A. 87 the Lisbon treaty is the last that will be put out to 'the people' as IT PROVIDES, UNEQUIVOCALLY, FOR ABSOLUTE POWER TO PASS TO THE CENTRE OF EU GOVERNANCE.

A. 88 Decline of Union power [Unsuitable/Broken URL removed by Moderator] (ironically, the article is almost a perfect representation of JJ's conjecture - without the biology so to speak)

{I keep reading 87 as, 'the Lisbon treaty is the last will' ... and testament!)

Oh dear I see big brother is alive and well at the BBC! ; ) (re: sign-in)

#87 & 88 Yes wappaho I agree with A 87, Barries, but I keep forgetting we have given up our sovereign state to be part of the EU! ; )

I AM TIPPING THE EU THE BLACK SPOT (DOUBLE-BLACK IF CAP'N BLAIR IS INSTALLED) #89

MUTINY Lizzy! Let 'Mutiny' be our watchword. If the Monarchy, who have 'lived off us' for centuries and received untold homage, at little cost to themselves, cannot now RISE UP FOR THE PEOPLE, then MUTINY is the way forward.

We have been Pied-Pipered into this European Evercloserunionfest, by a variety of self-serving magalomaniacs and banana-brains. UP WITH THIS I SHALL NOT PUT! Mutiny is all we have. Even the military coup I called for is not materialising under Sir Jock Strap, yet there must be enough disaffected squaddies to march on London by now! (Maybe they can't march for laughing?)

SPOIL CROSS-PARTY WESTMINSTER GAMES. MUTINY!!!

PS Hoorah! I am logged in. I got a couple of warnings about entering an unsafe area; HUH what's new?

Wappaho @88

Shame your link was bedogged, I (and others) would be interested to read said item. Can you give a clue for Googling purposes?

Barrie #90

Every time the log-in gets changed my details get screwed up. I am now in my third incarnation. How come you manage to keep your name always?

from mimpromptu
People like to play the game
To get their moments of fame
But they would be much better off
If they kept the undesirables staved off.

I wouldn't then have to turn away from them
But would ask them instead with us to play.
So once again it boils down to choice
Of how they are keen their presence be voiced.

The last line is of a poetic licence kind
But that's what's just come to Madam Mim’s mind.

Go1 #58

"Deceit:

' the act or practice of deceiving; concealment or distortion of the truth for the purpose of misleading; duplicity; fraud; cheating: Once she exposed their deceit, no one ever trusted them again.' etc."

In 1948 a plaque was placed outside Auschwitz. It claimed 4 million had died there. In 1990 the plaque was replaced with one reading "about one and a half million". Was this deceitful or just a bookkeeping error?

Go1 #63

"You know Newfazer and Griffin both had grandfathers who were in the RAF in WWII."

You never pay attention do you? I don't know about Nick Griffin but my grandfather was far too old to have fought in WW2. What I stated was that my father was in the fire service and an uncle was bomber crew (tail gunner, KIA). You have to get your facts straight if you want people to take you seriously.

91. 'Labor Unions: A Corporatist Institution in a Competitive World' University of Pennsylvania Law Review Vol.155 (2007)

The version of the article I found through google is on the Cato Organisation site (/publications/regulation) - which is slightly ironic as I read the article thinking it was arguing against liberal pluralism but perhaps I skipped the bit where the article comes down in favour of liberal pluralism. Either way, I think the article explains quite well how different economic 'models' create entirely different social systems/structures.

Wappaho by any other name... I was tempted to change my name out of sheer restlessness and pique, but I think it confuses other bloggers (I changed the time before last I think) so I didn't. I admire those who use their real names, Barrie!

THEY ALSO SERVE WHO JUST STUMBLE AROUND IN THE CYBERDARK (#91)

You've scared me now NF Mk2. When the wretched system opened the forum but said: "Oh no sonny - you're not finished yet" I thought I was in for: "You cannot use that name, it has already been registered." But all I had to negotiate were the two warnings of nameless dread - and I was in, as ME (aka you).

Perhaps it's an inverse intelligence test wherein those who have no idea what they are doing - pass.

AN EGO BY ANY OTHER NAME . . . (#95)

Can't help a smile at being admired Wappaho - and thanks also. I have a sneaky feeling it is just ego. Didn't one poster say recently there are terrible individuals on here flapping their egos? That's me that is.

I am defintiely ego-led. Equally, I am 'differencist' mediated. I keep an eye on both and stay away from alcohol - unlike Jesus . . .

97 well, if you take away ego, what have you got left?

in the postmodern rush to 'connect' we have ommitted to discriminate who or what we connect to.

as long as you have 50 frenz you can get a cheap mobile - but you don't have to be truthful, loyal, supportive, caring or even just companiable to any of those frenz, you just need to be connected!

you, on the other hand, seem to have an ego that spends much time musing the human condition and owning those musings, so enjoy the admiration, you deserve it.

wappaho #59

Are you thinking that JJ is also FrankSZ? They are two very different people. JJ has been suffering broadband problems of late and now log-in problems. JJ will be baaaack! ;-)

AND ANY DAY NOW THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW THE LID DOWN! (:o) #98

"if you take away ego, what have you got left?"

Well done Wilson - I wondered who would spot that.

Is 'frenz' of your coinage? I like. Has a touch of frenzy about it that goes nicely with 'rave'. I didn't know about the cheap mobile against a tally of 50. (I put my bad luck down to never being able to send on those emails that need 10!)

You - signing off.