Wednesday 19 August 2009

NOT JUST ASBOS - WESTMINSTER GOVERNANCE IS ALL-BUT-DEAD.

Take each of the senior government posts, in turn, and ask: "What expertise does the incumbent bring?" So why are they there?

While candidates for election are pre-selected by Westminster party machines, then subordinated to a rosette that is backed by multi-million campaign funds, Parliament will be filled with 'the wrong stuff'. It is from this pool of wrong stuff that super-wannabe scum float to the surface, and from that unpleasant mass, THEY choose our Prime Ministers.
What happens next, Blair and Brown have shown only too clearly. Are we going to let this happen all over again? Shiny-Boy Dave, Gastric Miliband, and Flint in my Welly Clegg, HAVE ALL RISEN IN THE SAME FETID POOL. WHY SHOULD THEY BE ANY DIFFERENT?

As I have been saying since 2005: SPOIL PARTY GAMES.

This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

Stanley McChrystal eh ?

You would do well to cross-reference your interview with the reports about neo-natal care which Hugh Sykes has been filing for PM. Things aren't getting better, and one wonders why not given the huge investment in cash going into that country. Of course, that is not necessarily the fault of the soldiers - the Taliban is of course a factor.

But one does wonder what values are being imparted when laws allowing wives to be starved if they don't provide for their husbands' conjugal 'rights' are passed. Of course, the alternative would be labelled as 'colonial imperialism' - but heck, either we are in the country and improving their children's hospitals, [in which case they can jolly well treat their women better] or we are out of the country after a considered decision that on balance they are better off without us.

But at present this seems to be a bit of a bugger's muddle and we have a 'hokey-cokey' operation where the objectives seem pretty unclear to me.

Len:

Will the Lockerbie bomber be on a plane bound for Libya tomorrow? The BBC's Scottish Political editor believes it is most likely he will be released on compassionate grounds as doctors treating Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi say his cancer is so aggressive he has less than three months to live.

I think that in all due respect...The Lockerbie bomber will be on a plane for Libya in the immediate future....

=Dennis Junior=

Len:

Remember the Asbo, one of New Labour's most iconic policies? Courts are issuing fewer and fewer anti-social behaviour orders in England, but at the same time breach rates are increasing. So are Asbo's all but dead?

In pretty much in simple language; The ASBO are all but dead from the Labour Government....

=Dennis Junior=

Nos 2

Yes NN mods you should not have allowed that !!!

Nos 2

I should say the post in question made by JJ should have been moderated because of the remark.

#6 from mimpromptu
Streetphotobeing
To be honest, jj's postings confirm what I've suspected for a long time and at least we're getting closer to the truth. I don't think any sane person reading 'my pimp's' texts believes that I'm a whore. I wonder how many world presidents have had a go? A few months ago I saw a Polish cartoon about to one of the Kaczynski twins having a go at hanky-panky with a robot. Yes, it is vile and disgusting but after all it's only magneto-electronic. I wonder how much he charges for a session?

Simple solutions to complex problems

ASBOs: Seen as a badge of honour amongst anti-social youth. With prisons over-full and the lefty/liberal reluctance to treat errant 'children' as tomorrow's hardened criminals-in-the-making, I have my standard solution: National/Community Service. Not the community service that neither reforms nor adequately punishes for offences against society, but away-from-home with military discipline and 'jankers' that I still remember from almost 60 years ago.

International Development: Whilst working for Overseas Development Admiistration, Commonwealth Secretariat, and World Bank, I was aware
that UK was turning a blind eye to corruption, embezzlement and misuse of aid funds, and other behaviour that favoured the 'big chiefs', but did little or nothing for the poor of several aid-funded countries.

When communism collapsed, the 'diplomats' no longer had to 'woo' dictators for fear of them turning to Russia, China etc. The Paris Club then insisted on good governence as 'conditionality' for aid funding.
It's time 'conditionality' was resurrected by UK/EU.

China is 'taking care of' many African countries in exchange for raw materials and cheap labour, so what is our 'trade for aid' policy, apart from selling them military equipment?

I suggest we incorporate factors such as targets for control of population increases in calculating aid funding levels, with reductions to take account of immigration to UK. NN's recent film on the struggles of a poor Ethiopian left me with the question - why did he have 6 children that he could not afford to feed - and why should I encourage irresponsible behaviour by contributing direct or via taxation when I have had only the three children that I can afford?

#7 & #8
Streetphotobeing
That'll do, I think. I'll just e-mail the mods regarding my post at #1.

The Bonn Agreement in 2001 set out the basis for a UN-inspired reconstruction of a failed state. The UK offered to take the lead with an initial ISAF force but on a time limited basis and kept at Kabul, not beyond, to establish an Interim Administration which was felt at the time to have broad support and be embraced by the population.I think we wanted to hand over quickly to the Turks. Here we are in 2009.........look forward to understanding whether the Bonn objectives have been secured, are being secured or when it is said they will be secured, and how.

COUNTERFACTUALS ARE NOT MATERIAL BUT INTENSIONAL CONDITIONALS

mimpromptu (#8) If Paris is the capital of Germany, you have three heads and a tail.

Capice?

#9 unpronounceable

You confirm what I suspected all along about international aid, a large proportion is being embezzled, and probably going to the stock market parasites via their corporate multinational cartel. And surprise, surprise, all major parties have pledged not the cut international aid in the future. It probably goes on stuff like corporate mercenary, at least one of them got killed in either Iraq, or more likely Afghanistan. One went loopy and killed two of his " comrades " I remember now that was Iraq and its said he could be facing the death penalty.

I suspect that they manage to change money as many times as possible, it will be far worse if the Tories switch part of the aid budget to " renewable energy ". Perhaps on the evidence, places like Congo have got a far better deal than " western aid " with China despite the CMC propaganda. The civil war only continues when the mining cartel fund the insurgents. Its all about trying to impede progress on Chinese transport infrastructure projects, new road down the eastern border and intersecting new railway to the Atlantic coast. I believe loads of schools and hospitals are also part of the deal to " sell " a pile of useless to Congo rock. Remember, the lunatics are in charge of the Westminster asylum.

WHEN FORENSIC-MAN HAS DONE LOCKERBIE WILL HE DO 9/11?

'Tonight , BBC Security correspondent Gordon Correra takes a forensic look at the evidence against the man convicted of the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie.'

The available evidence for the anomalous collapse of THREE TOWERS on 9/11 is growing daily, and the weight/status of the call for an enquiry with integrity, must surely prevail in Obama's New America.

Take a look at Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

#10 error - should have been #2 - from mimpromptu
Streetphotobeing
jj is clearly trying to provoke me so that I get terribly angry with him. He's probably hoping for me to start crying as well.
I've had a much needed snooze just now from which I awoke with the following:
A robot's awakening
Have just woken up
Well alight and sparkly.
Who's paying and what
For tonight's hanky panky?

#16 from mimpromptu
Mr Singleton
You may be onto something here

from mimpromptu
Each time I write about jj I should, really, talk as well about mr graffiti but it's such a bore to keep repeating the same thing over and over again and at least we've managed to clearly identify jj.

#14 barrie

Excellent site on the probably controlled demolition of said buildings on 9/11, but you have to remember the man on the moon landings and the all important getting him back safe. How do small rockets work against one sixth earth's gravity in a partial vacuum, apparently breaks Newton's second law " every action must have an equal and opposite reaction ". If they can get away with that they can get away with anything, Lockerbie bomber is relative small fry, but " wot politicians calling for a public enquiry " after last nights exchanges ?

What a piece of rubbish journalism from Ben Anderson tonight on Afghanistan. It's the second time I've watched Ben in the fields of Afghanistan with troops experiencing a fire fight with all elusive and hidden enemy. How he can almost conclude that the elderly Afghan men could be intimidating the boy, I just do not know. Of course the boy's nervousness was not caused by them, but more likely by the presence of heavily armed, foreign US soldiers invading his home and asking too many questions. The men that came to watch were probably just looking out for the boy as would British men under similar circumstances. Just because these men were in traditional dress does not make them Taliban fighters either. I really wish the BBC would attempt to cover the Afghan conflict with some real analysis, rather than the propaganda style film that this blatantly was.

From mimpromptu
With a new general election in the pipeline, hopefully sooner than later - what with Gordon Brown being manipulated by Peter Mandelson who is in turn manipulated by non-elected outside forces,
With the Labour Party having lost their mandate with the UK electorate,
With the country’s coffers not just empty but in huge debts,
With the Tory Party almost certainly becoming the new leading political force,
With David Cameron outlining today his vision for the future of the NHS,
I would suggest, but it is only a suggestion, that once the Tories have clearly formulated their NHS plans, a one off contribution at some stage is proposed to the taxpayers in order to replenish the funds of the healthcare coffers.
Plus a new ditty for the new day:
19 August 0.35 am
Time to go and brave the night
May new rhymes 'morrow alight
20 August 5.50 am
The morrow now turning today
Or
The 'morrow now being today
For new rhythms and rhymes paving the way
The subject matter is yet unknown
With future of all always on loan

and a bit more on the UK healthcare reform:
The other day, through the Whitehouse.gov I sent the President of the USA, Mr Barack Obama, a message expressing my support of his government's healthcare reforms whereby I also outlined the need of the UK private health system to be looked at again.
Having worked as an NHS medsec and having run a private practice for a couple of Neurosurgeons while helping several others throughout the years, I observed and identified areas of unfairness and inconsistencies in the private health sector here in the UK. First of all, I feel that it could be opened up to people on relatively modest incomes so as to free up space in the NHS. Then, I would suggest that the health insurance companies reform themselves or are reformed along the lines the Obama administration is proposing, i.e. for example, that people who for years have paid through their teeth do not find themselves excluded from further treatment due to develolping chronic conditions and those who already have chronic conditions are not excluded from subscribing to private insurance, etc.
On the whole, the private healthcare treatment is more efficient and quicker with one of the reasons being that it is not burdened by burocracy so prevalent, although to some extent unavoidable, in the NHS.

ON LEARNING, PARANOIA, AND SHOOTING MESSENGERS

mimpromptu (#15) "jj is clearly trying to provoke me so that I get terribly angry with him. He's probably hoping for me to start crying as well."

On the contrary, I have made an effort to teach you to think and write rationally/logically as it seems that such behaviours are somewhat alien to you. Efforts to encourage you to behave more rationally and to look at the evidence is, however, taken as damning personal criticism which results in sniping, often paranoid, comments over quite an extended period. This is remrkably like thegangofone's behaviour.

What might that indicate do you think? Look up narcissistic entitlement/rage.

Endeavouring to stick to the NN topics and comments of posters,

#13 You may be right about the form that some embezzlement takes, but my experience is that in Africa (and probably elsewhere) much of the money is syphened off into private unmarked bank accounts, usually in Switzerland, which prides itself on such integrity! Much is spent quite openly, even ostentatiously, such as the late President Marcos + Imelda, and the late Dr Hastings Banda, who had over 20+ State Residences (palaces)with an even grander one being built when he died.

These are examples of two countries where some of the world's poorest people allow theselves to be ruled and exploited by charisma and religion. My message is for UK to stop fuelling this type of situation, by attaching 'conditionality' to all funding (such as suggested in #9), incuding adequate auditing. EU's moves to expose and tax all deposits held in overseas bank accounts seems to be aimed at EU nationals, but should not exclude Swiss banks or Presidents.
Beyond that, we should expect people to rise up agains their own tyrants, with whatever pressure UN can bring to bear, short of force.
(unpronounceable? I'm simply an indigenous indegene, as always)

PERSONAL STATUS LAW

If a contract is made beween a man and woman which effectively says that in return for shelter, food, physical protection and the provision of and for children etc, the woman's duty is to meet the man's sexual needs, but the women subsequently reneges on that contract (either after she has had children, or for other reasons) where does that leave the marriage 'contract'? Is it not somewhat akin to a lodger agreeing to pay rent, and then, in hard times, asserting that they will longer pay rent but expect to be sheltered as a 'human right'?

Once again, Kirsty Wark resorted to brow-beating emotive heckling with Douglas Alexander rather than rationally discussing this democratically passed law in the context of Islam and the local culture. She does not seem to understand that neitehr she, nor any other country, has the right to impose laws on others countries if 'democracy' is to prevail.

Why is it a 'human right' for women to refuse sex, and why is the liberal-democratic sex equality way a 'universal'? These are UN values which have their origins in the USA's political-economic interests. The UN was created by the USA. There is a sexual-dimorphism here in that females are always sure of their genetic issue whilst males are not, which explains a lot of the inequality if one thinks about it. Furthermore, many females lose (some if not all) interest in sex after they have had their children. Men do not. Furthermore, by all (demographic) accounts the liberal-democratic 'universal human rights' directly lead to dysgenic below replacement level fertility, which is in fact insidiously destroying the countries now effectively invading Afghanistan. No wonder the Taliban resist this imposition.

Should we not expect more from Newsnight? Less pro Liberal-Democratic political propaganda please, more balanced analysis instead....

Nos 22

Why is it that you feel you should make an effort to teach her to write as you say ?

Is its alien for you to be able to just leave people alone to find and express in their own way however uncomfortable it makes you feel ?

*Look up narcissistic entitlement* cough cough


Nos 21

When you get treated in such a pathetic manor as I was by a GP it is not only alarming at the time, you genuinely fear any future serious illness.


Nos 24

That says all we need to know about you - highly offensive views to any women and non bigoted men. In fact moderators its so offensive I'd like it to be moderated.

Nos 24

He is countenancing abuse of womens rights which not only should be upheld any where in the world, its a right and normality that should be fought for where ever vialated.

If the BBC allows such offensive views on here it does not speak for the vast majority of the British public and has become something else.

Its not a right to sex. Its a right to rape.

That you countenance Mr jadedjean.

#24 That's going to prompt controversy, rather than poetry!

My only observations are that before we think of trying to inflict our values on other countries, we should realise that democracy doesn't always produce what we may expect, and we are not likely to radically change a medieval society how ever long we remin in occupation, or provide development funding. In the case of UK, our major political parties should have realised long ago that with such a wide range of values, beliefs, cultures and customs, they could never expect to achieve the integration of our imported population. With regard to the status of females, we can not expect harmony between those who believe women should cover-up-and know- your-place, and those who dress deliberately provocatively, often with lewd behaviour.
(I still go clubbing - at my age it's quite an eye-opener!)

No.24. JadedJean wrote:
"If a contract is made beween a man and woman......"

But does the woman freely enter into this contract?

Can she choose an alternative way of securing food, status and protection, rather than relying on the man to provide them?

What are the available alternatives, and are they better for the woman?

streetphotobeing (#25) "Why is it that you feel you should make an effort to teach her to write as you say ?"

It's a social duty. This is a public forum.

"Is its alien for you to be able to just leave people alone to find and express in their own way however uncomfortable it makes you feel ?"

Yes, as it is (or should be) to many others. This is what it means to be a responsible adult and not an irresponsible anarchist.

You need to listen and learn carefully rather than behaving like a self-centred infant/adolescent, as these are the two personal development crisis periods for narcissistic PD and other Cluster B Axis II PDs. These periods of individuation are also periods of social awareness and personal responsibility which have been avidly undermined by 'clever' anarchists over recent generations in pursuit of mass individualism aka the free-market and naked capitalism.

People like yourself serve a purpose in illustrating the destructive consequences when the prevalence of such behaviours rise. See credit crunch. See ETS America's Perfect Storm, see crime rate and breakdown of family life etc. This is all about self (ego)-centred rather than allocentric behaviour. Infants are the centres of their universes. Omnipotent and omniscient in their own tiny minds - i.e. Gods. They are also have a great sense of entitlement and are prone to tantrums/rages when they don't get their own way.

“Re #25 – It’s Offensive” – what a miserable little socialist complaint that is ! Oh and the other regular guest from the socialist lexicon is out as well – ‘Bigoted’.
Let me explain what some of these words mean :
Socialist – a tiresome Might is Right philosophy – a popular idea with people who have Might either individually or as part of a recognised group. It is completely evil and wherever it goes mass death of those not in the group follow – National Socialists (Nazis), International Socialists (Inter-Nazis), and abortionists. Anything done against any of their members cannot be defended against with appeals to old fashioned morality as they themselves are evil. Hence they have their own cult-style lexicon : Offensive – this means ‘against Socialists’, Bigoted –this also means ‘against Socialists’ and of course disingenuous – which once again means against Socialists.
JadedJean in #24 has put an argument that is fairly consistent with standard Islam around the World and during it’s history. Streetphotobeing in #25 finds this ‘offensive’. Had streetphotobeing and his Socialist mates with their Empire Wind-rush that brought Islam to this country, and told everyone that Islam was little more than cumin flavoured Christianity, actually read the Koran and the Hadith themselves – the could have been offended before the passports were handed out.
JadedJean in #24 relies for his argument on a) contract law b) this wife starvation law being passed by a democratically elected legislature.
Well it’s perfectly reasonable for the Law/the state to intervene and make certain clauses in contracts invalid – I’ll use a Christian technique “do unto others…” to demonstrate my point. If you fell off a cliff onto a ledge and I before I passed you a rope, I passed you string with a contract for you to sign in return for me saving your life that had clauses giving me all your wealth, or maybe something sexual or even homosexual… then I suppose you would be happy that the state/courts would intervene and declare those clauses void - being forced to have sex when you don’t want to is called rape – I will take your point seriously that such contract rape should be allowed only when you agree that you will move with your boyfriend cliff rescuer. As for the Democratic part. Democracy is hugely over rated : Adolph Hitler, as you’ll find out from hearing any conversation between a meat eater and a veggie was a tea-totalling vegetarian – he was also democratically elected. Let’s go Christian again : How would you like it : If a democratically elected government voted that all Muslim males in the country must take a native boyfriend – would you accept it ?... because it was a democratically passed law ? – If you say yes then I can start to take your democracy point seriously. In the West adults (who vote and out number children who don’t vote) have ‘democratically’ voted to be allowed to murder unborn babies – it’s a wipe out far bigger than anything Al-quida can do – 600 a day in the UK. Democracy without a Christian based constitution that protects weak individuals is only rule by the mob majority and is not something you want to set precedents on while you happen to be a member of the majority mob at the time being. Streetphotobeing can’t use this argument because socialism in the West relies on rule by the mob majority. If he ever mentions protecting the weak he’ll give you a list of the ‘weak’ people he’ll protect : Women, Trade Union Members, Homosexuals, Blacks. Be far more wary of Socialists bearing lists than a Greek baring gifts – if you are not on the list – and unborn babies never are – then you are lined up for mass death.

LENIN'S 'INFANTILE DISORDER'

streetphotobeing (#26) "He is countenancing abuse of womens rights which not only should be upheld any where in the world, its a right and normality that should be fought for where ever vialated."

Not too long ago rape within marriage was not possible. For centuries there has been a quid pro quo between males and females all over the world whih reflects differences between the sexes. Males are driven to get rid of sperm at a much higher rate than females produce their eggs. Females' sexual interest changes as a function of the stagae of their cycle and life-cycle. Even today, in liberal-democratic countries, one finds that in stable, long term 'marriages' sex is often an act which females provide for their partners as an act of affection rather than hedonistic self-interest.

You have a lot to learn about life. You also need to make an effort to better discriminate between what you think and what you read as you tend to confabulate the two as does mimpromptu and thegangofone. Asking moderators to censor posts because you don't understand them and are prone to impute views whch you covertly hold is an example of self-centred/narcissistic behaviour. An infantile disorder in my book.

from mimpromptu
#25 & #26
Streetphotobeing
I've wondered for a long time how jj has been allowed to post his vile and deranged views here, at times openly justifying terrorism directed towards the UK troops and the UK itself and I have come to the conclusion that he may have some special access to somebody high up in the BBC and other national organisations but I would prefer not to name them here for the time being.
Re: his views on female enjoyment of sex which he seems to think he is an expert of:
Most women, just like men, love good sex and many, though perhaps not as many as men, will have extramarital affairs sooner or later or will simply divorce the father of their children and remarry. It's nothing to do with having had children. Sex is a very powerful force in most people's lives. Some choose to suppress it either for religious reasons or because they have not managed to find the right sex partner. Some, out of choice or conditioning, will choose to sublimate their sexual desire into work for one's country (as poingnantly described by Jeremy Paxman in one of his books) or artistic expression or whatever else it may be.
As there has been mention of me being used by jj as a sex machine earning money, I'd like to briefly describe /apologies for the split infinitive/ my current position with regard to sexual desire. Well, in my case it awoke for real rather late but since it has, coupled with what I would call real love, although I've not had the opportunity to experience it physically, my creativity has taken on new dimensions not only in dance and communication /which I've loved since my childhood/ but also in what appears like spontaneous ability to rhythm and rhyme.
By the way, I'm not claiming my 'poetry' is anything special but as long people enjoy reading it, I'm quite happy to share it with them. On one hand it just happens, on the other it is something to do with creative communication involving others and simple enjoyment of sharing it.

MrTweedy (#28) "But does the woman freely enter into this contract?"

Define freedom without appealing to other indeterminate/inscrutible intensional idioms of propositional attitude or other metaphyical notions.

It's all the language of subversion.

Are below average cognitive ability (say mean 85) people free to take out sub-prime mortgages and other (predatory) teaser rate loans? Is it offensive to say such 'consumers' are not of average ability or above? What sort of government is outraged that over 20% of the population has well below average literacy and numeracy ability.. ;-(

Are men free to think and behave like women and vice-versa? Are we all free to go into higher education if we want to etc?

See 'Beyond Freedom and Dignity' and earlier Quine etc stuff.

Too many people today are outraged about biological/cognitive diversity whilst simultaneously aggressively campaigning for 'equality' and 'rights'. They won't be educated either ;-)

from mimpromptu
re: some clues as to what turns jj on -
for ever /mistakenly and regrettably used by myself in the past/
power
teddy bears & my tears
butterflies & busy bees
my 'tantrums' and 'rages'

#28 Mr Tweedy
"But does the woman freely enter into this contract?"

Should we therefore enforce British Marriage Act and our very latest Civil Contact legislation on Afghanistan and other nations in the name of democracy and development? We still seem to be having problems in our own land with forced marriages, honour killings and whether to allow same-sex marriages, so can hardly atempt to take the high moral ground yet again.

"Can she choose an alternative way of securing food, status and protection, rather than relying on the man to provide them?
What are the available alternatives, and are they better for the woman?"

Why not trample all over their customs and advise them to accept what we once deemed illegal, surely they all have a right to be gay, lesbian, trans-gender and every other combination. Oh..and let's sell them our unmarried single mother benefit system and tax tables that favour what we used to regard as 'living-in-sin'.

Or should we perhaps be inspecting our own society's norms?
They may have too many wives and children, but who are we to condom them?

CUSTER AND INDIANS

Addendum (#24) From March this year:

"The bill passed both houses of the Afghan parliament, but was so contentious that the United Nations and women's rights campaigners have so far been unable to see a copy of the approved bill."

Telegraph March 2009

Note the scare quotes in the title. Shia Personal Status laws will be found in Muslim countries. There are 1.4 billion Muslims in the world, and they have higher than replacement level TFRs. This means Islam with its Personal Status Laws is the fastest growing religion/group in the world. Liberal-Democracies on the other hand, given their below replacement level fertility rates, are destined to die out. The PRC and even Russian constitutions have articles emphasising duties over rights.

Remember the democratic election of Hamas?

Why are we in Afghanistan again?

Discuss.

Given Brown is a patron of the JNF that has discrimination polices that would be illegal in the uk he can hardly talk about human rights?
NN has never challenged Brown, Blair or Cameron for being Patrons of something that has polices that would be illegal here? why is that?

paul check out the trades taken for negative libor.

#28 from mimpromptu
Dear MrTweedy
Thank you for being such a valiant supporter of my cause!
That's exactly what I tried to do when working at the Atkinson Morley Hospital in Wimbledon and then at the Atkinson Morley Wing of St George's Hospital in Tooting. But no, jj and a colleague of his would not leave me alone successfully earning my own money (with which I could help my family and treat friends to this and that). They would never approach me directly but would manipulate my environment to the point whereby I decided to leave my job earlier than planned. As you have obviously gathered, they haven't stopped yet, neither on this blog site nor in all the other places I frequent.

asbo's work.

it parenting that doesn't.

#23 indignantindegene

Of course the Swiss banks are an integral part of the Corporate Multinational Cartel, providing the capital for such as Hedge Funds to borrow against to speculate. The fact that they are all secret enhances the power of the stock market parasites, depositors highly unlikely to withdraw or claim interest income so therefore maximum capital gains. The performance of the Zurich index has apparently fared rather better than the average European markets throughout the global downturn.

'TODAY' THIS FORUM HAS REDEEMED ITSELF - IF ONLY IN MY EYES (#n)

What a wonderful range of views, expression, passion, scholarship and revelation, the latter of poster-psychologies (where I have 'read' you correctly).

I am moved to make a lot of related comment (as is my wont) but what comes most to mind is the lack of wisdom in our moribund culture. From the Queen, through Brown and on down, to the wildest poster on this blog, there is a lack of self-scrutiny.

We are stuck with institutionalising schooling, because Mammon needs fodder, but just as I would SPOIL PARTY GAMES by injecting a few altruistic independents into parliament, I would also introduce PHILOSOPHICAL THINKING and BASIC PSYCHOLOGY into the school sausage machine, as early as amenable, to add flavour to 'outcomes'. In the fullness of time, perhaps politics, Mammon and schooling can progress, together, under the influence of more 'flavoursome' individuals, steadily mutating to a better Britain?

You see, under your collective influence, even I can be positive! (:o)

DEAR MADAME MIM (#39)

When we find a situation keeps repeating in our life, the likelihood that WE are the cause, gets steadily greater.
I had a lady-friend who would regularly declare that "all men have inexplicable tantrums". After I had had a couple, we parted. I wiser, she none-the-wiser.

Accepting fault in ourselves is about as daunting as any task can be, but the rewards are out of all proportion. Sadly, we never come to the end of the list!

I fell out with a few employers, and then cheated the system by employing myself - for all I know, I am still unemployable!

OTHER PEOPLE'S POINTS OF VIEW: WHAT DO THEY MATTER?

Addendum (#36) UK/USA/ISRAELI entitlement writ large? Look into the Iraqi 1959 Personal Status Law too.

No.33. JadedJean wrote:
"MrTweedy (#28) "But does the woman freely enter into this contract?"
Define freedom without appealing to other indeterminate/inscrutible intensional idioms of propositional attitude or other metaphyical notions."

In this instance the word relates to choice, as I went on to explain in the rest of the post..........you old rascal you.

The question still stands - does the woman have any other way of securing her food and protection, other than through marriage?

If there are no other alternatives, the woman is not able to refuse the offer of the marriage contract. The lack of alternative security "forces" the woman to accept the contract as the lesser of two evils, destitution or marriage.

Anyway, Jane Austen is long dead.
The British woman of today has financial independence, and can accept or reject men at will.
Is this not a better distribution of power between the sexes than in the age of Mary Wollstonecraft (her famous work Vindication of the Rights of Woman published in 1792)?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Wollstonecraft

ASBO - ALTERNATIVE SYSTEMS BRING OPPORTUNITY (#40)

Parents can, and do, - de facto - bring their children into the
Church of Nihilism (aka British 'culture'). The ASBO, I suggest, amounts to 'confirmation' into the ways of that church.

Perhaps we should encourage missionaries from Norway and other less punitive 'churches', to visit these shores?

brossen99 (#18) "but you have to remember the man on the moon landings and the all important getting him back safe. How do small rockets work against one sixth earth's gravity in a partial vacuum, apparently breaks Newton's second law " every action must have an equal and opposite reaction ". If they can get away with that they can get away with anything,"

I've never seen a clear account of how such a tiny lander managed to blast off from the moon and accelerate to an orbital velocity matching the larger craft and then dock. Having said that, I've not spent much time looking for an explanation. It's something which has intrigued me from time time though. The USSR was technologically way ahead and yet when the latter had the means to better monitor what the USA was doing via Soviet telemetry, the Apollo missions ceased (early 70s).

Whatever the truth behind the collapse of the three towers in NYC (recall the demographics), it got the USA into Iraq and Afghanistan..

TO BIND A FOOT OR A MIND? - CHANGE IS NOT ADVANCE (#45)

Hi Mr T. Have you REALLY addressed the ways in which OUR females are now abused? (In my view, the males no less so, but that is a wider debate.)

Might it be possible for women who espouse the male ethos (what is of value - what constitutes success) for whatever reason, or from whatever drive, to RAPE THE MINDS of their (perceived) aberrant 'sisters'?

The dogma of equality did not aspire to a centre point, it elevated MALE values. Men and women are, surely, about as unequal as they can be, in a natural setting. But this would be no bar to a culture wherein each REVERED the DIFFERENT qualities found in the other, and looked to apply them harmoniously.

In my view, any culture that goes against Nature will fail. Those that reinforce Nature endure. The Pankhurst Statue, so close to Westminster Palace, speaks volumes of a terrible rape enshrined.

Afghanistan

Progress in Afghanistan has been slow , but I suggest this Sky report (warning offensive language on web site) showed part of the problem, if you can not establish security , what hope is there for law and order ?

And what is going on in the MOD ?
Why is there suggestions NuLabour are trying to dig up dirt on General Dannatt before he leaves office in 8 days time ?

And what has our Foreign Minister been saying ?

On a positive note I came across this article by Michael Yon , Do Americans Care about British Soldiers ?, it's quite a story.


Lockerbie

I was thinking back to the 1980's , the west's relationship with Libya was not good.

FREEDOM TO SELF-DESTRUCT

MrTweedy (#45) "In this instance the word relates to choice, as I went on to explain in the rest of the post..........you old rascal you."

But, except through observing a difference in the rate of behaviour(s) given two or more alternatives, what is 'choice'? I ask, as the experts in choice behaviour from the 60s on, where people like Chung, Herrnstein, Rachlin, Baum etc of the Harvard Pigeon Lab. This was the beginning of Behavioural Economics, the differential control of behaviour by changes in contingencies of reinforcement - hence my reference to Skinner's 'Beyond Freedom and Dignity' - work which began in the 1930s. Neither Stephanie or Robert know of this work as I read them, yet it is some of the best work in psychology. How can economists not know of this?

The problem is that the word 'choice' is bandied about much like 'right' and 'belief' etc. When one tries to look at what one is actually referring when using these terms it becomes far more complicated than people usually have the patience for. They beg the question and don't see how. 'Why did she do that?' Answer 'Because she chose to'. How does that that say any more than 'she did that'?

To see what I mean, put Choice and Herrnstein into Google.

"The question still stands - does the woman have any other way of securing her food and protection, other than through marriage?"

When women are impregnated they used to and still often do, need physical protection and economic support. Hence the marriage contract? Islamic law is very clear on this. Those of us in the Liberal-Democracies mired in mentalistic rather than religious dogma, are surely obligated to look into the context of those laws? In the Liberal-Democracies we tend not tosee our own superstition - i.e our folk psychology. It is just as irrational.

"If there are no other alternatives, the woman is not able to refuse the offer of the marriage contract."

Which tells one something about life and the origin of the marriage contract I suggest. Why would males wish to support females unless there was something in it for them too? If females subsequently withhold their part of the bargain, why should the male not withold his?

"The lack of alternative security "forces" the woman to accept the contract as the lesser of two evils, destitution or marriage."

Just as males are 'forced' to accept the 'evils' of selling their labour in order to eat and provide for their children (genetically only half theirs) etc?

Romantic love is a relatively recent, West European invention. Human rights even more recent, and to some, a most peculiar notion in the absence of duties. cf. narcissistic entititlement.

In fact, has Newsnight covered all the details of the law and its revisions as the law has been amended, although the coercion still remains. What is the alternative? Separation, divorce? As it only applies to the Shi'a population, wouldn't all females know the law before entering into the contract? That does raise the problem of cognitive ability, and 'knowing' of course...

As a rule, we don't give these issues the attention they deserve I suggest.

We are still on a cliff-hanger awaiting JadedJean's signature on his rescue contract after #30 or his subsquent court case to appeal the harsh terms

addendum (#50) As all of this narcissism begins to unwind, I suspect the celebrity culture and glamour industry will too. We don't see as much of that in the socialist or in the Muslim world. Who makes money out of enocuraging narcissism and its derivatives? who is at war with Islam?

On Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi I thought there had been a statement that "something would be put into the public domain within weeks" to clear his name. There seems to have been confused signals with the drop of the appeal - but that may have been political.

So behind the scenes is that "something" what is actually persuading the legal decision makers and does that affect due process?

#50 Jaded_Jean

In case anybody is even thinking of getting sucked in:

"In the Liberal-Democracies we tend not tosee our own superstition - i.e our folk psychology. It is just as irrational. "

Jaded_Jean is a Holocaust "Agnostic" who cites "statistics" on why there was no Holocaust! But won't be providing evidence, directly or indirectly to the Djemjanjuk trial. The Holocaust was made up to "put people off statism" and if there was any killing it was the Russians. They were "statists" in the la la land of Jaded_Jean.

Hitler was a peace lover - who fortunately had turned Germany into a war machine before leaving fifty million plus dead (mostly Russian)
"statists").

Jaded_Jean is "not a Nazi or the BNP" but reveres Hitler and National Socialism and wants to see the BNP covered more. The BNP are "not a Nazi Party".

Jaded_Jean believes in race "realism" and rejects the science that says genetic variation is greater within a race than between races.

There is the "Jewish Communist International" because Stalin ejected "anarchists and Trotskyites" who included Jews. It probably included males and females, people with brown hair and people with blue eyes. So must there therefore be a "Blue Eyed Communist International".

Infantile drivel and given the drivel is repeated almost daily it reinforces the contempt for those "irrational" people on the far right.

Look into "Inside the Mind of Adolf Hitler" if it is still showing. Excellent on him not so good on the group hysteria he created via the twisted propaganda machine.

#50 JadedJean writes Romantic love is a relatively recent, West European invention - Hold on ! it might be absent from Muhammad's Harems full of the women whose husbands and fathers he killed on raids, it might be absent between Muhammad and his 6 yr old wife but that's just Muhammad and the Muslim World "She has captured my heart in her embrace" - 3000 BC ancient Egyptian poetry see https://homepage.powerup.com.au/%7Eancient/love.htm
Don't mix historical facts with your confessional accusations and extreme a-prioris :- “Islam is the Greatest and Islam does not have Romantic love just cold contract contracts for sexual services so the rest of the World must be at least as bad as this so romantic love must just be a new infidel vice that'll die out soon”

#1 barriesingleton

"While candidates for election are pre-selected by Westminster party machines, then subordinated to a rosette that is backed by multi-million campaign funds, Parliament will be filled with 'the wrong stuff'."

Remember people you can trust those that revere Hitler and would like to see a national Socialist dictator replace democracy with tyranny. Its a one stop shop where you buy into evil and are stuck with it for ever.

For those like the Baby P batterer and child rapist who reveres Hitler and have an IQ of sixty that is a "No you can't".

Hi,

I was very impressed by the US Lieutenant Colonel you interviewed last night, modest, generous in his comments about the work of our forces, and smart.

On the basis of the person the US have put in charge, the prospects of success there just went up,

best wishes

#50 Jaded_Jean

I would have thought that women who voted BNP in protest at the main parties should consider those of a similar ilk who promote the BNP like Jaded_Jean:

"If females subsequently withhold their part of the bargain, why should the male not withold his?"

and the fact that Jaded_Jean believes that there are too many women in higher education.

They should be at home.

THE SECOND PEARL HARBOUR BORE FRUIT AN HUNDREDFOLD

#47 'Whatever the truth behind the collapse of the three towers in NYC (recall the demographics), it got the USA into Iraq and Afghanistan..'

#52 'Who makes money out of enocuraging narcissism and its derivatives? who is at war with Islam?'

Much of what I read fits well with your points JJ. Now that sophisticated explosives (steel cutting charges) are implicated, I cannot but consider the Gaza parallel. Perhaps 'follow the money' should give way to 'cherchez the nano-Thermate production facility'?

Given the nature of the BNP can we expect the reputation of the country to be tarnished by Nick Griffin telling the European parliament about non existent "race" murders as the BNP London Assembly member has done?

#18 brossen99

"Excellent site on the probably controlled demolition of said buildings on 9/11, but you have to remember the man on the moon landings and the all important getting him back safe."


I think the debunk on the "probably controlled demolition of said buildings " indicated it would have taken about three months to bring in the amount of required industrial explosives - past intelligence officers. Nonsense about the use of other experimental explosives has been shown to be utterly groundless as there was no appropriate residue.

It's all rather like the BNP isn't it - lots of froth and utterly no substance.

But then you are "a Muslim" and not the BNP so I doubt your Imam would encourage you to promote the BNP huh.

GlenisDevereux (#51) "We are still on a cliff-hanger awaiting JadedJean's signature on his rescue contract after #30 or his subsquent court case to appeal the harsh terms"

Natonal Socialism.

Stalin and democracy in the 1930s, and the battle against subversives.

Where was the nest of subversion? NYC and London? Is Trotskyism not at one with Thatcherite anarchism and Blairite New Left? Note how both Thatcher and Blair have chapters in Stelzer's The Necon Reader. What is female liberation and equality other than a means to inflate the consumer base?

re #62 from JadedJean, At the time of writing there are 8 Comments awaiting moderation from 54 to 61 inclusive and JadedJean's gazumps the lot at #62 and gets cleared - Is JadedJean the moderator on this site ? I take it from his non-reply plus 'spent too long in uni' verbiage that he is afraid to answer the question - will he sign rescue contract and abide by it's terms and become boyfriend to guy with the rope or will he sign and go to court to ask protection from this modern day Shylock in tight jeans - They don't like it up'em Mr Mannering - like what up'em ? - their own power play when they are not in power ! - Will you accept being raped by contract ? - if not, then don't support it for someone else.

911

All ways thought it was a coincidence that it happened on the US 'emergency phone number' date.

How many owned a Porsche?


I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.

Ecclesiastes, chapter 9, verse 11

MASOCHIST-MODERATOR? "WHEN YOU HAVE ELIMINATED POSSIBLE . . ." (#63)

I have seen JJ moderated close to extinction, on some days.

Ah! Were the THREE TOWERS blown up by suicide bombers clasping all the maim structural members?

Jaded Jean - Superstar. Do you think you're what they say you are?

I was 'asboed' when, as a person who (with my own money) had set up an independent charity, renting an old decaying shop from the council for use as a community cafe, there being nothing like it in our area - especially for the elderly and young - (all other ages having use of pubs). To cut a long story short.. I had reason to complain about the unreasonable behaviour of a handful of neighbours who did not like our cafe provision (hot coffee and water were regularly poured from the balcony of flats above us as people entered the cafe among other threatening acts). The council did not like the independent nature of our project - although it was small, homely and 'innocent' in its style. So they used the bad neighbours against us. Because of the pressure and nastiness that the council were supporting I became upset in a meeting. The council housing dept officer/manager decided therefore that i was a "dangerous woman" stating it on the court papers. She booked just 10 minutes of court time but the judge was so shocked he wanted to know more and so postponed the hearing. Eventually after 3 and half days in London Central county court, with the council employing two barristers and me not able to get legal help because legal aid does not apply to civil cases, another judge (a bit befuddled by all the story) eventually decided in his summing up of my evidence that I was obviously "a feisty woman" (his words) and took the attitude that there was no smoke without fire - and gave me the ASBO. Then the council asked for the £28,000 COURT COSTS and barrister costs (TRUE)! to be awarded against me. The judge refused so that the poor tax payer had to pay for the debacle! Needless to say our sweet little project had to close as, under the terms of the asbo, I was not allowed to go into the area for a year - where the cafe was. I paid market rent to the council for the old shop - yet they would only give a year lease at a time, so we were snookered that way too...so it was not worth appealing although I wish now I had.
It would be interesting to know how many cases of ASBOs have been used by councils for 'political' reasons in the area of Community politics?

GlenisDevereux (#55)

a) Do you understand what a TFR of 1.1-1.3 signals?

b) The UK is doing quite well at 1.8 relative to Eastern and the rest of Europe (and other Liberal-Democratic nations, rendered so by Western imperialism), but much of that is down to Muslim immigration.

Do you understand what I am saying?

GO1 #61

I suspect that any controlled explosion charges could have been sneaked in during routine refurbishment of the interior. They would never have been able to fix the damage caused by a major fire ( steel structure could have bent where not clad in insulation such as vermiculite ). Perhaps it was all a massive insurance job, perhaps facing being potentially skint stock market parasites families bailed out with the criminal compensation.

You will persist on claiming that I am a Muslim when you are clearly on planet Zog as far as your reading comprehension is concerned.

#65I have seen JJ moderated close to extinction, on some days - thanks
point taken.
While 911 has popped up and we await JJ to search his philosophy books to see how he can wriggle out of a rape contract himself yet agree to have in enforced on others - I can hardly wait to see what verbiage and tricks he’ll try ! I still have not seen an explanation as to how two planes could evaporate - the one that hit the Pentagon and the other one that crashed into the ground were meant to if I remember correctly – that was the reason given why there was no plane reconstruction like they used to do in the 70’s plane crash movies (and real life) – any takers ?

CARE-LESS IN THE COMMUNITY

GlenisDevereux (#63) "I take it from his non-reply plus 'spent too long in uni' verbiage that he is afraid to answer the question"

You would do well to learn a litle about the irrational nature of inductive inference. A spell at university might help. In the meantime, I suggest you practice a little verbal-behaviour inhibition. All you can conclude from a non response is that there is not a response. I have explained elsewhere what is wrong with our folk-psychology - it's intensional, i.e characterised by dramatic fabrication aka error. If you carefully observe posts from other posters you will see florid examples, and in following my advice you might become better able to spot your own.

"POINT TAKEN" (#69)

(:o) I should thank YOU. There is a lack of dispassionate point-taking round here. I sense an 'agent provocateur' lurking. Try to behave - but don't try too hard.

I have read a vast amount of the 9/11 stuff on the internet, and as I do not suffer from the 'original sin' of belief in limits to the evildoings of governance (any) I am in no doubt this was the new Pearl Harbour for the New American Century. It remains to be seen whether the main players die of old age before anything is nailed; such is the stitchup of 'living within the lie' that we must endure.

Let’s do another ‘Christian’ on you and give you your own poison again :
You are trying to explain to an Afghan woman why it is OK for her husband to starve her to death : You say to her don’t you understand “TFR of 1.1-1.3 signals”, you tell her it’s to do with the “irrational nature of inductive inference” and also that there is something wrong with our folk-psychology because it’s intensional, i.e characterised by dramatic fabrication. So you say ‘let your husband rape you or starve’. She then pulls out a piece of paper – “oh I checked on the Internet as to why you ran away from the West and came to Afghanistan – it’s to get a way from this ‘Rescue contract’ you signed, well I contacted the man concerned and he is in the other room with a gun so go and let him rape you or he’ll shoot you because oh you know TRF and inductive inference and all that” – do you now find “TRF, dramatic fabrication yak yak yak” a conclusive and persuasive argument ? – Do you accept your own reasoning ? – Or is your talk the talk of Power and only makes sense to you when you have it and you think ‘what nonsense’ when it’s used against you when you don’t have power.

I have not heard of this technique with the Asbo but I have heard of similar techniques used to close down small community projects. Check out an organisation called Common Purpose

GlenisDevereux (#72) You also need to grasp what 'describing the facts' amounts to. Argument has nothing to do with any of this. What you do not know is not academic, just unfamiliar to you. Only egocentricity or low cogntive ability prevents one from grasping this point. With a TFR of 1.1 a population halves in 30 years and with 1.3 it does so in 60 years (two generations). Eastern Europe is in this range, and Central and Western Europe is not much higher. The Muslim world is well above replacement (which is 2.1).

Israel is engaged in demographic warfare with Palestinians and their supporters...

Perhaps you need to listen and be less abusive?

# 74 - I should be 'less abusive' than a bloke who won't accept himself being raped by contract but will impose it on his 'sister' Muslim Women and attempts to justify it with the Islamic version of 'love makes the World go round but Sex keeps it populated' – which is, just ‘Sex keeps it populated' - as you tell us that romantic Love doesn’t happen in Contractual Islam. Well I’ll try, but you set such high standards - how can any infidel every hope to be a nice as a ‘starve your wife to death’ believer as you !

GlenisDevereux (#75) Your creativity is astounding.

#76.JadedJean wrote: "GlenisDevereux (#75) Your creativity is astounding." - It's not very 'creative' at all,certainly not on my part, - it's the traditional Christian principle - "Do unto others" or in plain English "How would you like it ?" - bully creeds have been beaten by this technique for centuries.

#66 Pithy Writer

Part 1

The technique is quite common. A local authority asked me produce an executive summary of how to create 1000 jobs in the borough. They would then fund the project. So I produced the work.

I received a message to meet a County Councillor. He had discovered the local authority had sent my work to the UK Government as an Economic Development Strategy, which they pretended they had written. And had received £10 million for it. They were never going to pay me, nor were they going to create the jobs. By deliberately ensuring high levels of unemployment and social deprivation, the more grants and income they received from central Government. The county councillor told me it would be dangerous for me to draw attention to the fact I was the author. People tend to want to cover a £10 million fraud by any means available.

GlenisDevereux (#77) Look back through my posts and your posts. Try to find verbatim sentences in my posts which match those which you assert I posted. That is what's creative on your part. You fail to discriminate between your own translations of what you read and what others write. You probbaly do the same when others speak. Inferences which you make, are, as a consequence, non sequiturs and irrational whether you see this or not. This is the mark of the intensional which is how our folk psychology operates. It is creative, attributive and irrational.

THE MIDAS TWEAK (#78)

HI Celtic. As I said to Madame Mim @ #43 above: When we find a situation keeps repeating in our life, the likelihood that WE are the cause, gets steadily greater.

You seem to be regularly rolled over for a few mil. GBP (or equivalent in Nobel Prizes). Have you taken a look at your strategy in these matters?
A small tweak, and you could be terribly rich. I hope you will attribute such riches to me, when acquired. People are so fickle.

#79 JadedJean - You ask such difficult questions ! :
In #24 you say If a contract is made between a man and woman which effectively says that in return for shelter..., the woman's duty is to meet the man's sexual needs, but the women subsequently reneges on that contract... Why is it a 'human right' for women to refuse sex ? - this is in the context of the ‘Afghan contractual rape or starving to death law’ - I assume from your words that you agree with it and support it - if you don't then say so... Verbatim and I'd be interested to know why. So did the old Christian technique and I asked you would you refuse Sex if your were contractually obliged - we still await your reply - no Creativity there on my part ! - I later implied by your lack of response that you don't have one and you complained that I was assuming too much, but having asked the same basic question to lot's of bullies and received the same non-answer, I think my assumption was correct - if it’s ‘No’ say so...Verbatim. You claim in #50 that romantic love is a new idea - I corrected you in #55 - once again your lack of response leads me to think you don't have one - if you have one make one. We still await your response to the big one : How can you hold that it's OK to starve/rape a woman because of a contract whereas it's not OK to rape you because of a contract - I appreciate your difficulty in finding an answer to the question - I can't think of one !

Nos78

When I need a laugh I go looking for your stuff, never fails. Of all the loonies on here you're tops for me.

#66 Pithy Writer

Part 2

That I am a potential witness in a £10 million fraud was the least of the situation. The executive summary contained knowledge of future catastrophic flooding, determined by a new method of predicting complex systems. If I don't do something people would probably die. If I did do something I had been advised I would be 'taken care of'. Between a rock and a hard place.

The opportunity presented itself. I had a £multi billion business plan and Labour had planned something at something called the Millennium Dome. Though 1997 comparing it's business plan with a similar but workable one, it was simple to determine they would never achieve the visitor numbers they projected. All that was required was to run a parallel business strategy to take over the running of the Dome when it failed, converting it to a environmental management centre and within that remit verify and prevent catastrophic UK flooding. That one situation being more than enough to pay for the entire cost of the Dome project.

So in 1998 a £5 billion strategy was implemented, involving DCMS, Downing Street, Business Links etc.

1 month in I was asked to attend the local police station. I was tortured and nearly killed. The custody Sergeant told me I would be allowed to live if I signed a release form.

3 weeks later I was sent details of an arrest that never happened. My signature was on a forged custody record. The form after I signed it had details of an arrest added after that the police pretended had occurred 2 days before.

With a forged custody record the police took my business off me and closed down the project. Here is the part you will understand but few others will. As the police had forged the arrest and custody records together with the evidence to shut my business down. This is a civil matter for which as you correctly point out you cannot get legal aid for.

So you are put into a court with a prosecuting barrister openly boasting how they are being paid £2500 a day to 'do you'. The court is in fact run by magistrates of the local authority who want to shut you down. The police knowing right from the start whatever they did would never be challenged.

Police forces in this case just the hired thugs of the local authority. Going into a court situation run by the local authority. Trying to fight the case for years I eventually gave up. In 2007 catastrophic flooding hit the UK. Exactly as 2 local authorities and 2 police forces knew would happen. Who do you report it to: the police ?

I am really sorry what happened to you. I think it was very courageous for you to tell your story, most people reading it on this blog will not believe you. But those of us who have been through similar know exactly what goes on.

Nos 83

FABTASTIC !

GlenisDevereux (#81) "That marital rape is not recognized under Sharia law as a crime is rooted in the concept of the "nikah" or the Islamic marriage contract. The concept stems from the patriarchal belief in sex for maintenance. A woman, under strict Sharia law is hence seen as being in violation of her chief obligation towards her husband. The view that sex is an expression and consequence of love is totally alien to this way of thinking." [Source: link in #44).

Read the links in #44 and #50.

What I 'agree' with is not the point. This is a point you need to take on board. 'The moon has an effect on tides' is a true statement regardless of whether I agree with that statement or not. Truth is not subjective. We live in times where this is poorly understood. We live in ever more irrational times. What we read on these blogs is often just people's accounts of their own intensional (mental) states and not the world they live in. They are confused. They are ineducable. They are offended by education.

#80

ANTI MIDEAN

But Barrie I don't want to be rich. All I wanted the money for was to prevent people dying. The floods caused £5 billion of damage, which was known about and could have been prevented.

Everyone with an insurance policy, will be less rich now as they will have to pay. Had the project not been stopped it would have been worth £50 billion per year to the UK economy. 4 and a bit % of GDP. We would not have had an economic collapse. So everyone is paying for it.

Everyone loses. the police, magistrates, council officers, politicians will not be able to stop the collapse of global ecological systems. So they and their families will pay the ultimate price. they saw their short term interest was to stop me, helping them.

Why should i change my integrity just to deal with a corrupt system. You have said yourself if someone is the best they should not ask or expect financial reward.

Turn up and listen to me speak or treat yourself to Reflections on Reality.

re '85 if 'Education' leads a man to support a Rape'm or Starve'm law then the World need less of what you call this 'Education', but which is little more than what used to be known more accurately known as 'fancy learn’n ' - and more good old fashioned Morality.
I disagree most strongly: What you 'agree' with is very much the point.
It can take say 60 days to starve to death, water dependent, What pseudo-intellectual Islamic Yak Yak will you tell your wife while she lies there starving to death – what’s the value of a single Yak in such a situation (By ‘value’, I don’t mean how much did the School of Oriental and African Studies at Senate House overcharge you to learn this dross) – This is a real live problem with real live people, it’s not an academic exercise – Vulnerable Afghan men may come across this site and, not understanding a word you say, get the idea from you that there is an intellectual legitimacy to murdering his wife - you have yet to supply one that you would accept yourself if you were on the receiving end of the situation.

#84 Street Photo Being

Fabtastic it may be. But unfortunately true. Having a scientific research back ground everything is verifiable and is supported by evidence.

One would have thought the 2007 floods were known about to within 4 days 15 years before and could have been prevented would be a story that NN and the rest of the media would want to cover in the public interest. Can you hear the silence?

Having first hand experience and evidence of the cover up behind the 2007 flooding, I take a very objective view of things such as 9/11.

Barrie and Brossen 99 discuss whether the towers were deliberately brought down. I can not. As a former metallurgist I have not had access to the material.

Had I been on site in the rubble. had the towers been 'brought down' I would have found the evidence which would have been subject to laboratory analysis in the prescribed method. Which then would have been available for peer review.

The evidence for the way the towers were brought down in the links Barrie has provided I have read. Now the structural engineers and architects can produce all the computer models and simulations they wish. But they will never be proof.

Think back to the first announcements re 911. The steel was to be 'cut up' and 'melted down' to make warships for the US Navy. Everyone was really happy and supported that.

Unfortunately this also destroyed the evidence a metallurgist would need to determine the cause of the collapse.

In the last few days the media has covered that Coroners are not looking for CJD. Coroners are there to determine cause of death. If someone has gone through the windscreen of a car and smashed into a lamp post, would a Coroner be expected to run a test to determine whether the victim had CJD.

Similarly if the world saw an aircraft smash into the tower. Would it be expected that the steel would be given to a metallurgist to determine if there was another cause for the collapse of the towers?

Where is the steel for a metallurgist to determine the cause of the collapse. Cut up, melted down and being made into a warship for the navy with the full support of the American people. The conspiracy theorists never saw that coming did they?

The evidence for 911 has been destroyed. the evidence for the 2007 floods has not. It is just no one will look at it. Which is the 2nd lesson for the 911 theorists. It doesn't matter if the evidence exists, if no one looks at it, nothing is achieved.

Nos88

"But unfortunately true. Having a scientific research back ground everything is verifiable and is supported by evidence."

Right then lets see it.

This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

Len:

On the eve of the Afghan presidential poll, fraught with intimidation and threats by the Taliban, we have an exclusive film which shows just how hard it is for US and British forces to battle the Taliban while at the same time building trust in an area like Helmand.

Yes, thanks for the information regarding the Afghan Presidential polls...From the Information, I have been reading it was in flux; on many grounds including Violence....

=Dennis Junior=

#89 Street Photo Being

Re #90 you will have to determine how the evidence gets out.

#89 Street Photo Being

Part of email sent to Newsnight Investigations 21st August 2009:

The 2007 UK summer floods were known about to within four days by 2 local authorities and two police forces, up to 15 years before they occurred.

As their prevention was deliberately stopped to ensure they would occur, they should have been investigated as a criminal or terrorist incident.

See comments Newsnight Blog Wednesday 19th August 2009 #83-90