Friday 21 August 2009

Is this the first time, since Wilson did not follow America into Vietnam, that we have not done as we have been ordered to do so by America ? What is a ‘special relationship’ anyway and do we really have one with America ? - Is the White House Chief of Staff the son of a British Terrorist whose organisation kidnapped and crucified Jews during WWII or is it the son of a Jewish Terrorist whose organisation kidnapped and crucified British soldiers during WWII : Irgun – while the British were busy in a World War against Hitler ?
At first glance it looks like ‘well done’ for acting independently just for it’s own sake, but it might as easily be a smoke and mirrors pre-arranged show with the US involved. The one thing I don’t believe is this ‘compassion’ stuff, some deal has happened, what that deal is and if the US is in on it we’ll never know I suppose.

I cannot believe the naivete of the Christian, European World Leaders. Have they not read, studied, learned anything about Islam since the Crusades??? A devout Muslim does not suffer any negativity when lying to an unbeliever, cheating him or ultimately killing him. He is afterall an Unbeliever. Are they really surprised that Magrahie returned to a hero's welcome. This defies belief! Will they be equally surprised now when he blows up another plane? After all he has another 3 months or so of life. He has never said he was innocent just that he was wrongly convicted - of course, by his rules he is guaranteed Paradise for killing 200+ Unbelievers. By the way has he ever shown remorse or regret for the bombing?

By invoking a higher power, Secretary MacAskill has shown a naivete of staggering proportion. Magrahie's God is sendind him straight to Paradise for killing 200+ Unbelievers. No Muslim child ever has been told "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" that is a pure stupidity to a Muslim. "Kiss the hand you can't cut off" is what he learned. He has grown up in a feudal social order & he would see evidence of it every day. Walk into any Muslim village from Morocco to Pakistan and you will see someone kick a street dog or throw a rock at it. Why because the dog is weak and the man can get away with it. In the Army "Sh-t rolls down hill" Well the Armies of the world are feudal societies also. The village dog is at the bottom of the hill. By freeing Magrahie all the Scots have done is show they are weak. Get ready to be kicked.

Having dealt with the SNP I can't believe that they actually did the right thing.

Though I don't fully understand what the underlying reasons the right thing was done.

Now to those who live south of the border. Who are constantly told told to live in fear of terrorist attack.

Please look at the flags waved. NOT BURNT in Libya. The Scottish Saltire.

Christianity v Islam. Our 'Christian' leaders decided in 2003 it was fine to drop bombs on children.

But surely the true basis of Christianity if we are going to 'nail our colours' to it. Is foregiveness and compassion.

Perhaps those south of the border and across the Atlantic may now understand why our flag is not burnt but waved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8onbDZmAwhE

Proud to be

King Keltic Lion

When Alex Salmond says that international politics were not considered - "from whatever source" - in his Justice Minister's decision, it is no wonder that many of us do a double take; there is no-one more tactically politically calculating - yes there is, Gordi - well, only one other as politically calculating - as the First Minister.

I think Al-Megrahi's release works for the Scottish Government because the quid pro quo for " compassionate grounds" was the waiving of the second appeal which may well have produced evidence putting the rather self-satisfied Scottish legal establishment in a very poor light.

And it works for HMG 'cos their hands are clean from a US perspective, but still stay friends with Gadaffi.And Gordi gets to call Alex names.

Shameful politicking with the lives and deaths of c 270 people, not to mention the wrecked emotions of the relatives, irrespective of Al-Megrahi's guilt or innocence.

Well done SNP and "Bravo!" to Phony Tony, who lingers on, like Lady Thatcher, in the repercussions of their selfish, tactical approach to politics.

As for McAskill and Salmond - shameful but not surprising.

#4; no doubt when Robert Mugabe and/or Kim Jong-il wave the Sa(l)tire you'll be equally as proud. Were you proud when Idi the Heidie waved it?

"Though I don't fully understand what the reasons [were(?)] the right thing was done." Sounds like Salmondsense to me!

Should you not be a Pictish lion? Were they not the original "people of Scotland", as Alex is wont to go on about?

Doesn't "Celtic/Keltic" have too wide a scope for you, given that it encompasses Wales,Ireland,Britanny and North West Spain?

Or is it something like kilts, haggis or bagpipes, all of which those north of the border have erroneously claimed as theirs and theirs alone?

Time to stop defining yourselves by what you're not.

...September natural-gas futures extended their decline after ending at a 7-year low in the previous session. Natural-gas prices were last down 4 cents, or 1.4%, to $2.90 per million British thermal units....

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/oil-rises-while-natural-gas-prices-extend-slide-2009-08-21


...BRITISH Gas was under mounting pressure last night to slash customer bills after it revealed an 80 per cent surge in profits ...

https://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/117390/Slash-your-prices-British-Gas-told-as-profts-his-299m

gas prices at a SEVEN year low? Profits up 80%? what is the 'regulator' doing? are they like the FSA was in the credit crunch? ineffective?

Hi

agree with KCL #4

also think there are 4 reasons why this is the right decision,

THEATRICS

"Was it right to invoke God when announcing a political decision?"

It was just a bit of rhetoric surely ? Politicians are prone to that. One would have thought all Newsnight staff had got used to that by now. Or are you just being 'edgy'?

Was Gavin just being 'faux-edgy' last night?

HOW MANY UNETHICAL DIMENSIONS CAN FOREIGN POLICY HAVE? (#1)

After we have had an honest look at Dr Kelly's 'suicide', perhaps we should move on to Robin Cook's 'heart attack'?

The Scottish Justice Secretary releases a convicted terrorist, expected to live for a few weeks, and its controversial.
Does anyone else remember, a few years ago, the Westminster administration releasing hundreds of healthy Irish terrorists, some having been in jail for as little as two years.
But I suppose that's different and all OK.

#83 from previous page
Re: insidious manipulation
If you're referring to my #72, it's not the financial side of things I was talking about. If people choose to be stupid, whoever they are, then it's their loss and I'm not particularly keen on dragging them into this type of dirt anyway. Most people I have closely and directly worked with are on the whole fine people, so I wouldn't like to disturb their worthwhile lives more than absolutely necessary.
For obvious reasons, I can't devulge the details of my defence here but one those details will be made public. I know that I am not the only who knows exactly what's been going on for all those years, particularly since the time when I submitted my extended university essay entitled 'The wisdom of relativistic perception as described in Alexander Herzen's writing'. Suffice to say, not only was I taken a mickey out, which at the time was extremely hurtful, but also my supposed 'instructive training' was conceived.
Thank you, Streetphotobeing, for giving me so much attention.

PAN AM 103

How many of the Pan AM 103 passengers en route from Frankfurt to New York in December 1988 were Jewish?

Addendum (#13) I guess this one would have been picked up long ago if the passenger list was representative of NYC demographics.

Len:

I am glad, that the Scottish Authorities did released the Lockerbie Bomber; Since, now, there can be an argument over the overtures of the case...

=Dennis Junior=

Sent home to die! more like a hero's welcome. He'll be a roll model for future Islamic terrorist. I am sure many heads shown on our TV screens in the last 48 hrs in favour of releasing him, really wanted to say 'we need to move forward'..they never uttered it but you could see it in their eyes. We're in a recession and need to sell guns and get some black gold - thats the deal folks, thats the deal. The Scots used to ally themselves with the french against the English, today its the Libyans...well the English has Saudi money comin in so maybe its just one-upmanship from the Scots. Anyhow, after seeing the scenes in Tripoli, my heart sunk..then i got very angry, you should be too. Is there a stealth invasion going on or am i just paranoid.

NOT THE EUROPEAN SONG CONTEST

thecookieducker (#16) A allegedly dying man was welcomed home. Instead of going ahead with an appeal, which presumably would not have run its course (and would have cost a lot of money), he was allowed to go home to die with his family. PanAm 103 was en route from Frankfurt to NYC and blew up over Scotland. People on the ground in Scotland died, not England, so Scotland had a say in the case.

As an aside, I've always thought that the timing of the Lockerbie mid flight bombing and the highly controversial/inflammatory/defamatory story of 'The Satanic Verses' (where a plane is blown up mid air at the very beginning), was a chilling coincidence given the NYC Jewish demographics (later to be highlighted by the 9/11 attacks) and Rushdie's alleged slur on The Prophet. The official fatwa and events (see picture too...) came a short time (14 feb 1989) after the late December mid air bombing (but it would wouldn't it). We should not forget that the Big and Little Satan is USA and Israel (not UK), with most of the extra-Israeli 'satanists' being concentrated in NYC (#5) and that the Arab-Israeli conflict (morphed from the Cold War?) has been central to international politics for decades. The Danish cartoons were another effort to foment trouble as I saw it. Today it's the Personal Status Law. Muslims have a high birth rate, Liberal-Democracies do not.... This is very bad for the latters' economies (as we are seeing) as Mulims eschew usury.

Nos12

Get the feeling you will be able to post your ditties in relative peace now.

Have a good day mim.

Im off into the sun.

NN blog is full of intellgent and talented people who are mostly ignored due to their views and therefore frustrated out of their minds. NN has been doing programs on those coming out of care and how they cope. How about something on the gifted who loose it a bit.

& 19 from mimpromptu
Streetphotobeing
# 18 - Funny you should talk about my ditties as last night and this morning I've come up with a few new ones but will only post a couple.
# 19 - sounds like a great idea - I would even suggest something on the gifted who have lost it a bit and are in the streets. Enjoy the sun, Streetphotobeing.
My ditties for today - the first one may sound bizzare but I've decided to post it nevertheless:
freedom and bowels

One 'wrong' move or attention 'misplaced'
And my bowels convulse or my body gets pierced.
Out of proportion, would you care to agree,
Me also having problems in the loo with a pee?

Where is it supposed to lead, 'dear' leaders?
It's you, I know, who are also my readers.
Isn't it time to stand up and defend
Our honour and freedom, and the 'game' to end?

transmission of mission

Had I been doing what I'm doing now
When I was a teen
On competition then I might have been keen
But now, when I've reached the mature age,
What would be the point of following some cage
Of rules, regulations and prescribed routine
When on feelings and soul to transmit I'm keen.

If I'm on a 'mission' to the living out there
Having gained the attention of the people who stare,
It's to their higher conscience I'm keen to appeal
For them to respect and kindness reveal.

Otherwise it's pleasure, pure fun or passion that's so nice to share
Both ways, of course, with me at the other end
Listening, or reading, or enjoying to stare
At what others come up with. So long and amen!

3. wrote

..No Muslim child ever has been told "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" that is a pure stupidity to a Muslim. "Kiss the hand you can't cut off" is what he learned. He has grown up in a feudal social order & he would see evidence of it every day. Walk into any Muslim village from Morocco to Pakistan and you will see someone kick a street dog or throw a rock at it..


pure bearing false witness against islam and muslims. not sure what koran that poster has been reading but maybe he could point out the verses relating to 'kicking dogs and 'kiss the hand you can't cut off'?

so why bear false witness? is it to try to cause divisions in uk society? create anti muslim feeling based by spreading false information. depending upon the general ignorance of islam to get away with such claims? Who does that but propagandists? So who might target the uk for such propaganda?

we do know it is open knowledge the uk is a target for such propaganda and the bbc online in particular?

#22 BHD

Having had a dog and worked in a Muslim environment we have discussed this point some years back. There is some fear of street dogs because unlike in the UK Rabies is more prevalent.

As such there is not as much 'cultural' affinity.

23

yes but does dog kicking define a muslim and islam? no. it might be a local thing that all people do?

do british muslims in the uk go around kicking dogs because its islam?

its pretty clear what the poster is trying to do.

In Hungary:

'Hungarian police say they have detained four men suspected of a series of attacks on Roma (Gypsy) settlements in which six people have been killed.
...
The attacks - carried out with shotguns, hand grenades and homemade explosives - began in July last year.'

Given the increase in far right groups and their attitudes to the Roma due to their race "realistic" philosophy and the history of the Nazis could we be looking at far right groups discreetly allied to the Neo-Nazi political party shown with their cute little flags recently during the Euro elections?

Does this not seem to be uncannily like the situation over here where there seems to be a real growth in would be bombers and there was the induced Roma beaters in Belfast - whilst the BNP peddle their lies and proclaim "they are not a Nazi Party" and use images of Spitfires and Churchill?

Should a much harder line be taken against those intent on destabilising the democratic state?

#22 bookhimdano

"we do know it is open knowledge the uk is a target for such propaganda and the bbc online in particular?"

You get those hideous Nazi types on there all the time blabbing on about what a nice feller Hitler was and being "agnostic" on the Holocaust and proclaiming their race "realism".

Real head cases.

'HEAD-CASES' AND PERSISTENT FALSE BELIEFS

thegangofone (#26) Has it occured to you that the 'head-cases' may be those who go about spreading false stories about soap made out of human fat, lamp-shades made out of human skin, and even mass-murder in gas chambers?

Might one expect a higher than expected frequency of psychopathology in the same group? Might one expect a higher than average involvement in 'psychotherapy' (which research suggests is rarely clinically efficacious and which the NHS is now trying to regulate)?

It is almost impossible to falsify some people's delusions. This is what characterises delusion. Have a look through the net and see how many cases you can find where stories have been shown to have been fabricated. There are some big names too.

People persevere even after lots of refuting evidence is provided to them.

Do you look for material which challenges your beliefs? A lot of harm has been done over many decades by people peddling false stories. Throughout history, humans have done this, often believing their beliefs to be perfectly sound.

Are you sure you are not one of them?

How muslims feel about dog ownership... https://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503547226

Also click the link on pets, it explains what are allowed and what not.

I understood muslims regard dogs as an unclean animal, and some police forces put shoes on their dogs before entering a muslim household. But cats are just as dirty, if not worse than dogs, so I can't see the difference myself.

thegangofone (#25) "Does this not seem to be uncannily like the situation over here where there seems to be a real growth in would be bombers and there was the induced Roma beaters in Belfast - whilst the BNP peddle their lies and proclaim "they are not a Nazi Party" and use images of Spitfires and Churchill?"

No. These are very rare events. The BNP is a nationalist party. YOu may well object to nationalism, an even if some people who support the BNP or who vote for the BNP plan or commit crims, that means little given that people who support New Labour, The Conservatives, Lib-Dems and other parties also commit crimes. Your thinking on these matters is irrational and clearly biased.

On the other hand, there is over-representation of offending in some ethnic groups. Have you looked into the official figures? They are well documented. What accounts for the above average rates of offending behaviour by some groups? Are any of them receiving affirmative action? Do any groups turn their own members in less than others? If one group is found to be disproportionately represented in some occupations, and one was to assume that risk of offending behaviour was the same across all groups, would one not expect a higher frequency of offenders in those occupations where said group was more highly represented? But would the rate of offending for the group be any different? The point here is that one has to take the group's base rate into consideration.

If ethnicity does not significantly impact upon risk of offending, that can be shown statistically. The fact is that it does impact on offending. The next question is to ascerain why it does. This is done so risk can be better managed.

If one rules ethnicty out of bounds for political reasons, one deprives people of the ability to better manage these behaviours. In most of your posts you do not seem to understand any of this. It is not racist to look for group differences, any more than it's sexist to look for behavioural differences between the sexes. To censor/censure such work is to encourage ignorance, myth, and in some cases, even increase the likelihood of offending behaviour/reduce the likelihood of its detection and prosecution.

This is why I am critical of your posts. As I see it, you are likely to encourage offending behaviour and anarchism, even if you do not mean to.

#26 thegangofone Wrote : "You get those hideous Nazi types on there all the time blabbing on about what a nice feller Hitler was and being "agnostic" on the Holocaust and proclaiming their race "realism". Real head cases."
If you are suggesting there is an Identity between being pro-Hitler and having serious doubts about the Holocaust then you've come to the wrong place. I'm am no fan of National Socialism or any other kind - it causes too much death and misery. Hitler’s murder of handicapped people - the sick and the elderly is well enough documented - his mass executions in Greece and Czech and his attempted starvation of Malta are well known. But as for the Holocaust - well the following are the main problems with it : There used to be a plaque outside Auschwitz that said 4 Million Jews were murdered here. Back then - 1980's - if you said you disagreed with this and thought the number ridiculous you were a 'nutter and a Hitler supporter' and in some countries you would be arrested. The plaque now says 1 million. With the margin of error on the most studied holocaust site standing at 3 million - 50% of the total Holocaust figure - it's neither nuttiness nor Hitler supporting to point out that one more margin of error like that and it's down to zero. There is an old school playground joke 'Why did Hitler commit suicide ? - because he saw the gas bill' but what about the other bills - If you look at the coal bill and the coal deliveries for Auschwitz there was only enough to cremated less that 100 thousand corpses. It is well known that there was a Typhoid epidemic in Auschwitz and the Red Cross were there and reported that 62,000 people died from it. Given Cremation ovens burnt most of their fuel warming up, a lot of fuel would be burnt not cremating bodies, which leaves enough coal left to cremate bodies of quite a lot of victims of individual brutality and wonton murder - but none to cremate a million bodies. In the real life version of the movie Schindler's list, the bad guy was arrested by the Gestapo for murdering inmates in the camp and put on death row in the early 1940’s. He never sent a telegram to Hitler or Himmler saying we are in the middle of doing a Holocaust why have you arrested me. Add this to the claims of Holocaust in Europe of 5 and 6 Million Jews that were in the American press both during and before WW1 dating back to 1902 and that the given that state of Israel is predicated on the existence of the Holocaust - i.e. major political motives behind it - it is perfectly reasonable to say 'hang on, something fishy going on here'- without either being nut or Socialist.

ecolizzy (#28) I guess one shoul look into what diseases are carried by dogs in different climates. It may be that there is less risk in Northern latitudes?

Is not our egocentricity astounding? Our mosquitos don't carry malaria. In general we need to look to other cultures and consider their resources, climate etc to understand how and why their behaviours have been selected and found their way into law/custom. Primary hypolactasia is an interesting example. Human adult causasians are one of the few exceptions to a mammalian law here. The Americans gave the Koreans the runs by gifting them milk powder.... We are not all the same, despite what some liberals would have us all believe.

GlenisDevereux (#30) "If you are suggesting there is an Identity between being pro-Hitler and having serious doubts about the Holocaust then you've come to the wrong place. I'm am no fan of National Socialism or any other kind - it causes too much death and misery."

Really? Why did the German people elect and revere him, and welcome the end to democracy then?

Here's British National Socialism

Don't believe everything you read about Germany (or Stalinist USSR) either. Free marketeer anarchists don't like socialism....

Regretably it would be against the BBC code to allow me to name the country (not Libya) which was widely acknowledged to have done this, right up to the moment it became our valued ally in the Kuwait war. In which case Megrahi would be innocent.

Now Libya is a valued ally too.

Meanwhile Fikret Abdic, the only Bosnian Moslem leader opposed to genocide, prosectuted for opposing press ganging by our valued al Quaeda allies, remains conveniently imprisoned for doing so.

NAME THAT COUNTRY

neilninepercent (#33) "Regretably it would be against the BBC code to allow me to name the country"

What code is that? Unless they've admitted it, nobody will take the naming seriously anyway.

#33 and #34; there is a well publicised theory, most recently repeated by Robert Fisk today that it was a Lebanese suicide bomber, placed on the plane by Lebanese units at the behest of Syria acting as middleman for Iran after the US brought down an Iranian civil aircraft.

Syriana anyone?

Naivete is one thing stupidity another. Scottish Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill surely showed one or the other in telling the world that Megrahi "now faces a sentence imposed by a higher power". Megrahi's higher power will send him straight to a Muslim Paradise for killing 270 Unbelievers. By the way, Secretary Kenny MacAskill. If Megrahi lives for another 3 months he now has 90 days to plan the bombing of another airliner. Unless of course he promised not to?

Interesting to contrast this story with this one:

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8215556.stm

Now note how much time Lt William Calley served for his part in the massacre of 500 people (notably not US citizens of course). Compare and contrast this with the reaction to the release of a man who might (or might not) have been involved in killing 270.

Shouldn't the US get its own house in order?

Shouldn't Newsnight be a bit more challenging towards the US government on this?

kashibeyaz (#35) Thanks for that. Lots of the 'evil dooers' then. So Lebanon, Syria, Iran and Palestine won't be invited to compete in Eurovision like Israel any time soon, and Turkey won't get into the EU until it ditches more of its Muslim malarkey and desists from ranting at the Israel for defending itself against the onslaught of the mighty Gaza's outrageous idea that Wall Street/City interests have us all by the short and curlies??

erratum (#38) "ranting at Israel for defending itself"

Wasn't Russia behind the mighty Palestine's ideas?

from mim to streetphotobeing, the members of the poetic re-evolutionary club and friends:

To make a difference while twirling, spinning and gliding
I do find more than exciting.
Spiced further with some ditties here and there,
Forming with prose our new blogosphere.

To make a difference sitting on the floor,
Propped firmly and supported by my attic door,
I find quietly rewarding
Thankful to the one who's guiding
me through the maize of disturbance,
Of pain imposed and menace,
Making a difference together,
Do I need to add anything further?

Well, I suppose I ought to mention
All those wise people giving attention,
And all support we have been awarded
To make this world a little more kindred.

Hope you have a good day (^_^)

ALLOCENTRIC VS EGOCENTRIC (NARCISSISTIC) POST RATING

Following up on one of barrie's recent posts, as an exercise, go through each post giving each author a rating on a 10 point 'allo-centric to ego-centric' continuum (other=1, self=10) with respect to post content/structure.

In our ever more liberal (and thus dysgenic?) Weimar-like? liberal-democracies, is this tilt an indicator of what is slowly destroying us?

#6 kashibeyaz

Another sad post from you. This is a trait you have expressed before. Creating a fantasy construct of someone, then abusing the fantasy you have imagined, rather than entering into debate with that person.

Firstly I was born in England my fathers family being Welsh he did not speak English until he was 16. My grandparents spoke very little English, requiring me at 2 to know as much Welsh as I did English.

Welsh speakers will also understand that as they came from S W Wales their language was different to the Welsh that if any appeared in the media.

My mothers family were Scottish and can be traced back nearly 1000 years. Add to this a couple of Aunties from Southern Ireland and It could be considered a broad Celtic background.

Your knowledge of the Celts is also limited. What you describe is the Celtic fringe. Prior to around 400BC, and the rise of the Roman empire. The Celts were a culture that was pan- European, stretching to the East.

It was a decentralised trading network connecting many different tribes. Different to the expansionist desire for conquering and empire building of Rome.

What you describe is the post Roman extent of Celtic culture.

Yes I do like haggis and bagpipes. Also I have a kilt with 1000 years of history weaved in the pattern.

In addition I have written and been published on Celtic culture and economics. An interesting exercise, when people pay to read a work. It's accuracy is then up for assessment. The editor has never received any complaint about the inaccuracy of the work.

In the past other posters have replied to you regarding smearing what amounts to your own imagined fantasy construct perception of someone else, rather than trying to establish a clearer more factual understanding as a basis for communication. Your posts at times sway from someone who is intelligent and considered to being no more than a ignorant bigot.

Under Scottish Law and due process there is leave to release someone on compassionate grounds. Scottish Law is different to English Law. It is even confusing for those that live in Scotland at times.

So is it not a good thing to have a country's flag waved for doing the right thing. Following due process and releasing someone whose guilt was in doubt even by some of the families of the victims.

Surely it is better to have that than to have a country's flag burnt and spat on for what some consider was an illegal and unjust war.

I understand there will be deals and collusions beneath the simple jubilation of 'compassionate release'. I would trust a SNP politician less than I could throw them. They are politicians and have had to have dealings with some of them.

But a man who is dying, whose guilt has always been in doubt, has returned home. People are happy. What else is their in life to aspire to? Those who oppose it need to look at the over arching philosophy that has been part of their country. Forgiveness and compassion.

They should not criticise the release. But the teaching of Christianity and have it removed either in the UK or US. Until they achieve that, the release was correct, both under rule of law, morally and in respect of the religion taught and referred to by the state and legal system in that country.

Celtic LIon

The quality of mercy is not strain'd,

It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
Upon the place beneath: it is twice blest;
It blesseth him that gives and him that takes:
'Tis mightiest in the mightiest: it becomes
The throned monarch better than his crown;
His sceptre shows the force of temporal power,
The attribute to awe and majesty,
Wherein doth sit the dread and fear of kings;
But mercy is above this sceptred sway;
It is enthroned in the hearts of kings,
It is an attribute to God himself;

Far better than Shock and Awe. But think about who it was about.

HOW US BLOGS DISCUSS

Read the comments on this high profle publication The Forward and here bearing in mund where some of this fund raising went to and how it's at the heart of international conflict. Do you see anyone getting offended and demanding censorship? Sometimes complaining about what people have to say just perpetuates the bad (censorial) behaviour which is being explicated because silence legitimizes it. What if the law operated this way? What if burglars etc could resort to anti-burglarism as a defence? 'I demand to be released. Your vile accusations are offensive'. Oddly enough, they do sometimes try this line. The prisons are full of innocent people.

'Police in Hungary have broken up a ceremony of the paramilitary Hungarian Guard organisation at which new members were being inducted.
...
A party connected to the Guard, Jobbik, won nearly 15% of the vote in June's elections to the European parliament'

Given the similarities with problems over here with the far right and the surge of would-be bombers its a pity that they could not expand on the "party connected to the guard".

In fairness though the Guard there is a banned organisation - but given the pictures of them during the Euro elections, I seem to recall, how banned are they?

If Nixon suggested that Presidents are above the law regarding Watergate Cheney seems to have expanded that definition to de facto Presidents in Vice Presidents guise. I assume he hopes the Democrats will drop the investigations into human rights abuses and the tendering process for oil and reconstruction that aroused so much suspicion.

But there is due process n'all.

John Adams, I think, said that if tyranny came to the US it would be in the guise of a foreign war. Probably would be similar to the Iraq debacle?

The Republican Party seems to take itself as being above the political process in the way it has approached the HealthCare debate and there is no Washington Post to haul them in as they have the mainstream media in the guise of Fox News acting as propagandists and not Observers.

The McCarthy hysteria being whipped up in he US certainly seems McCarthyite and they are not being reined in by those with respect for the system.

Perhaps only dead fish go with the flow of respect for the political process.

But I am a Brit and therefore given Biden was asked if he was a "communist" as a Lib Dem voter I must be far beyond the pale with my Stalinist love of the NHS.

SUPERSTITION AND DELUSION

thegangofone (#45) As the Old Labour Party was left-wing and took steps through parliamentary reform to take the means of production and communication under state control, i.e Big Government, and as The Conservative party was right-wing and legislated for smaller government and private enterprise rather than state conrol, logically, the extreme right-wing must press for less government, not more. This alone should make you and others pause for thought about the term 'extreme right' being bandied about in the context of 'nazis' and the BNP?

You are, therefore, peddling free-market, anti-statist, political propaganda. You are beating the drum for anarchism, which is extreme right-wing. This is the very stuff which brought us the Credit Crunch. The City and Wall Street will be proud of you. The Liberal-Democrats are much the same - look up libertarianism.

Not that you or many others will see this of course. They chant what they hear without understanding. That's what is meant by 'useful idiots'. They serve a purpose, here, the agenda of big business and dregulation. I bet you don't know how you brain works either, or your liver, heart, kidneys or much else. But all those organs work don't they? Just because lots of people write nonsense about 'the far-right', doesn't make it any more true than the ideas of flat-earthers or geocentric universe dogmatists.

No doubt you'll continue to provide an illustration of disordered thinking. There are others who do this. Some in well known groups.

The far right posters on this page will be promoting the "peaceful" Hitler (and won't laugh), deny the Holocaust through "agnosticism" and will try to promote the concept of tribal racial analysis (race "realism") - though the science that shows that genetic variation is greater within a race than between races refutes their logic.

So lets see what has cropped up lately:

#41 Jaded_Jean

"In our ever more liberal (and thus dysgenic?) Weimar-like? liberal-democracies, is this tilt an indicator of what is slowly destroying us?"

You have to catch the whole post to grasp they want to encourage "intellectuals" who will have power and ask ze questions in the power structure of tyranny - everybody else should cheerfully obey.

You have to understand that they aren't going to use words like fascists and the BNP are not a Nazi Party. They are not the BNP - but they would like more coverage on the BNP. The BNP just revere Hitler and National Socialism.

They would ditch democracy in a second.

Nothing in there about the Jewish Communist International. As "agnostics" on the murder of millions of Jews and not being racists (overtly) they tend to break up the posts. Sow seeds of doubts here, a little poison there, an emotional rant here, some "peer pressure" there, intellectual pretensions here - very much the Jaded_Jean department. Jaded_Jean is the "high end" of far right thinking. Be amazed.

You should also note the implication of eugenics, race "realism", euthanasia and so on in policy projections.

In the US euthanasia is a smear in the Healthcare debate.

Really these people would talk about it and you could pass your hand across their eyes and they would not blink. They are quite serious.

Griffin of the BNPs take on Hitler was that "he might have gone a bit too far". Fifty million dead in WWII and the industrialisation of mass murder.

That was a much better resolution than democracy - even with the problems of the Weimar Republic?

#45 JJ

"The prisons are full of innocent people."

Or rather imprisoning innocent people makes them full. Unlike engineering or medicine where lack of evidential integrity would result in visible consequences. Endless streams of aircraft falling out of the skies, hospital corridors full of dead bodies.

Lack of integrity in the justice system, ignoring of due process, fabrication of evidence etc leads to advantages for the justice system.

More people convicted, better statistics more work and income for members of the justice system. As a systems it works towards it's own interests, rather than the society it should be serving.

High profile cases with media scrutiny may follow due process. The lower down the more the system is biased against the innocent.

What does the CJS do. Charge and prosecute a police officer for perjury, who knows the solicitors, who knows the prosecutors etc. Or just allow the conviction of an innocent person, to 'protect the guilty'.

Don't confuse evidence in a justice system with it's human deals, local relationships, and subjective offerings; with scientific integrity peer review, replication of results etc.

The justice system needs to ensure the perception of it's integrity. Which is different to ensuring integrity. That involves exposing law breaking, criminal acts, disregard for due process within it's own ranks. Something it will not do to extent it needs.

All probably back to self interest and Game Theory. Better to put an innocent member of the public in prison than expose the criminal acts of those employed within the system. The perception of integrity is maintained.

#32 Jaded_Jean

"Don't believe everything you read about Germany (or Stalinist USSR) either."

Stalingrad where the Russian communists under the tyrant Stalin fought the "socialist" Hitler (hence the nomenclature of National Socialism) and left many millions of Russians dead says a lot.

As does the execution of Jews and the rape and murder of many "sub-human" Slavs.

Thats why the "socialist" Nazis were so keen to surrender to the US and Brits rather than the revenge seeking "sub human" Soviets.

As ever you flit from insubstantial untruth to insubstantial untruth.

#29 Jaded_Jean

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"Your thinking on these matters is irrational and clearly biased.

On the other hand, there is over-representation of offending in some ethnic groups."
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Its risible for somebody who portrays Hitler as a peace lover and is "agnostic" on the Holocaust to suggest that others are biased! Evidence would be Nuremburg and succeeding trials plus fifty million war dead plus confessions from Nazis and Nazi documentation.

So how did Hitler treat the Romany? You "revere" him and you have suggested there was no Holocaust or death camps. Whoops you are "agnostic" and so can't form an opinion with the available facts! You won't be sending your profound "statistical" analysis to the alleged Nazi war criminal Djemjanjuks trial because .... There was a Holocaust and you know it - or you are irrational.

Yet you believe there is a "Jewish Communist International" in exactly the same vein as Von Bruun and Hitler. Rational people?

You have frequently said you are not a Nazi or the BNP - but you proclaim Hitler, the BNP and National Socialism daily. Irrational?! Shock horror.
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"To censor/censure such work is to encourage ignorance, myth, and in some cases, even increase the likelihood of offending behaviour/reduce the likelihood of its detection and prosecution.

This is why I am critical of your posts. As I see it, you are likely to encourage offending behaviour and anarchism, even if you do not mean to."
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1. Your opinion is as weighty and respected as something nasty I might get on my shoes and want to get off as quickly as possible. So I won't cry myself to sleep tonight that you are "critical" of me!

2. The juveniles who beat the Roma in Belfast were encouraged to "ignorance" and "myth" by others who would have known exactly what they are doing. As with Kristallnacht plus see also post on contemporary Hungary etc.

3. I vote Liberal Democrat and "anarchist" is your intellectual cop-out for those who disagree with you. Hitler was simply a replacement aristocrat who used a combination of policies amorally to cement his position and justify his emotional hatred of Jews.

I could carry on exposing your ridiculously flawed output indefinitely but given that you generate such rubbish daily I will be content with these few points.

This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

#42 kingcleticlion

"Also I have a kilt with 1000 years of history weaved in the pattern."

Really I thought most, if not all, of the Kilt patterns were invented in C19?

Its not even clear that kilts were worn that much in the past - but they are a revered symbol and as such I respect them.

# 51 thegangofone wrote "Evidence would be Nuremburg and succeeding trials plus fifty million war dead plus confessions from Nazis and Nazi documentation"
Nuremburg had two choices : it could do a fair trail with a respected Judge and get a credible answer or it could get the 'right answer' with a Stalinist show trial Judge. They initially tried both but the American Judge - Judge Morgan - left in disgust at the unsigned typed confessions of the Germans who were kicked to death in the cells before being brought to trial. So Nuremburg has no credibility - If you claim it does then you’ll have to tell me that if you were found guilty at a case run by a Stalinist Show judge you'd think that a safe conviction and not think it good grounds for appeal. Your claim of fifty million war dead - mostly Russians - proves nothing as it includes the assumption of 6 million Jewish dead, the confessions are very weak evidence – the confessions proved that 4 million were killed in Auschwitz – that figure is so ridiculous the plaque outside now says 1 million – i.e. the confessions are of no value as for some strange unknown reason Germans confessed to 3 million murders in unsigned typed confessions that no-one now believes happened, there is no Nazi documentation that proves the Holocaust.
On the other hand there was, as I said in #30, not enough coal delivered to Auschwitz to burn 4 million bodies – and not even enough for the new figure of 1 million.
In 1902,a few years after the World Zionist Congress started there was an Article in America claiming : ‘There is was a Holocaust in Europe, 6 million Jews are being killed…we need a Jewish Homeland - this claim was repeated during the first World war and might have stuck had not the Flu brought the war to a premature end. Do you have any proof ? – I’ve never seen it – I’ve seen lots of tears, lot’s of emotions, lot’s of legal threats, but no evidence.

#54 Go1

Mothers family name goes back (in Scotland) to advisors of King David 1 (1156) then to fighting with Robert the Bruce at Bannockburn, but not with William Wallace earlier at Sterling Bridge. The name is Norman French in origin 1066, but before that derived from Scandinavian. So not true Celtic but Viking.

The kilt and tartan goes way back, but was banned after the Battle of Culloden, as part of the clearances and the suppression of Highland culture and the weakening of the clan system, post 1746.

It was only in the 19 century that the kilt was allowed to re emerge. So many of the patterns did with them or new ones devised, but that didn't stop them representing clans that had existed for 100s of years previous.

So the history can be 'weaved into the pattern' or be represented by it, even if the actual pattern is more modern.

I like my kilt because the pattern is pretty , but not common. So if you turn up at a Highland Games it is different to the 'for hire wedding tartans'.

Scottish history is complicated as it owes more to allegiances and conflicts between clans at times rather than to the media/Hollywood projection of a nation state.

Hence similarities between the historical clan system of Scotland and an understanding of the 'warlord' tribal Afghanistan in the present.

Celtic Lion

Christine Graham in IoS on Megrahi:

'The previous week I had received an email from a whistleblower in the Justice Department telling me that the Libyan officials were being told in no uncertain terms that he must drop his appeal or there would be no compassionate release.

Al-Megrahi was a desperate man, but I believe there are other desperate men and women – in the US Justice Department and in Whitehall, – all with their own reasons for wanting that appeal to be ditched. Now he is home, but he is still, officially, a guilty man. '

Could she be given a chance to expand, if her sources permitted, on the dropping the appeal aspect as that would be highly revealing and changes the perspective on the outrage of the FBI on the matter?

thegangofone (#48) "You have to catch the whole post to grasp they want to encourage "intellectuals" who will have power and ask ze questions in the power structure of tyranny - everybody else should cheerfully obey."

Transpose that to:

Teachers and pupils
Doctors and patients
University enginering lcturers and students

and supplement it with other examples in order to better appreciate how you are indeed an advocate of, and a recruiter to, anarchism - no doubt without your being at all aware of it.

Look about you for the consequences of 'useful idiots' having been used for years to achieve just that end. Its efficacy is dependent upon those recruited not having any insight into the consequences of their actions.
They are, after all, pursuing freedom, equality and their rights....

thegangofone (#51) "Its risible for somebody who portrays Hitler as a peace lover and is "agnostic" on the Holocaust to suggest that others are biased! Evidence would be Nuremburg and succeeding trials....."

I remind you that France and Britain declared war on Germany not the other way round. Hitler did not want a war with Britain. His battle was with Jewish Boshevism (not Russian Bolshevism) and Jewish international finance. In the early years of the war, the Germans had the opportunity to capture a British army but let it retreat to Britain. The overall picture was that Germany was not all that interested in invading Britain either (we lost a couple of hundred thousand during the war - for perspective, how many did Iraq lose in the Gulf war? How many did Vietnam lose in the Vietnam war?). Germany was more concerned with the USSR. Why? Stalin had his own fight on his hands domestically in the 1930s, you should look into it. Why do you not hear about Trotskyites since New Labour came on the scene? Why did the Stalinists/Maoists have no time for Trotskyism? Why are the later so close to Neocons?

Excellent to see the Germans pull off a good world athletics championships and see such great stars as Bolt, Ennis, Dobriskey, Hooker and so on in the stadium that WAS associated with Hitler. Great to see that the BBC also showed the major commemorative memorial to the Holocaust that demonstrates German recognition of the past and their ability to go beyond that.

#58 jaded_jean

"I remind you that France and Britain declared war on Germany not the other way round. Hitler did not want a war with Britain."

But he still invaded Poland and did not withdraw.

On the fact that the Germans did not annihilate the British at Dumkirk you may recall that German planes straffed and bombed the withdrawal - not quite the magnanimous gesture you falsely describe.

#58 Jaded_Jean

"His battle was with Jewish Boshevism (not Russian Bolshevism) and Jewish international finance."

So Operation Barbarossa was an ice cream delivery operation? They didn't rape and murder their way across the Soviet Union until they were chased all the way home? They did not regard Slavs as sub-human and inferior to the Aryans?

thegangofone (#51)

1. Your opinion is as weighty and respected as something nasty I might get on my shoes and want to get off as quickly as possible. So I won't cry myself to sleep tonight that you are "critical" of me!"

Do you even understand what is being criticised?

"2. The juveniles who beat the Roma in Belfast were encouraged to "ignorance" and "myth" by others who would have known exactly what they are doing. As with Kristallnacht plus see also post on contemporary Hungary etc."

Jews declared economic war on Germany. They also dominated many sectors in Berlin. They bought up asssets very cheaply when Germany was going through rough economic times in the 20s. They then ousted the competition. The German National Socialists did not hate Jews 'emotionaly', they saw them as a major political and economic threat to genile Germans. This was a community within a community which was disproportionately in control of resources and profited at the expense of Gentile Germans. Hitler was also concrned that Jewish Bolsheviks were a major political threat. Please learn your history. It was not persecution of Jews because of their religion or because of their ethnicity, they comrpised a political threat. They were deemed 'an enemy within'

"3. I vote Liberal Democrat and "anarchist" is your intellectual cop-out for those who disagree with you."

No, Liberal-Democrats are Libertarians. These are anarchists. Please learn something about politics.

"Hitler was simply a replacement aristocrat who used a combination of policies amorally to cement his position and justify his emotional hatred of Jews."

Nonsense - he and the Axis powers were fighting International Jewish Bolshevism and finance. International Jewish Bolshevism was Trotskyite not Stalinist,. This is why Germany and Stalinist USSR were allies from 1939-June 1941. Stalin too was trying to get rid of his Trotskyite opposition. Learn some history. Who knows, maybe Stalin wanted Germany to help him get rid of old guard party functionaries and part of the red army etc? After all, the fighting was nealry all in The old Jewish Pale of Settlement. The outcoe of teh war was an expansion of National Socialism (Socialism in One Country) in Stalin's hands, the USSR's influence expanded, it covered East and Central Europe, and more....

You have a lot to learn about geopolitics. From the late 1940s to 1989 there was a cold war. The USA is pretty anarchistic/Trotskyite if you look closely. They call themselves Neoconservatives or Neocons for short. Note how they have the USA (and UK) fighting for Israel's interests? Some EU states had the sense to stay out of it all. Look what happens if you criticise.

Is this not how groups use deception to deflect recognition of their predatation on other groups/hosts? It happens throughout the animal kingdom.

#58 Jaded_Jean

"His battle was with Jewish Boshevism (not Russian Bolshevism) and Jewish international finance."

As ever there is sleight of hand. Jewish Bolshevism and Jewish international finance. One implies a political subset and the other a racial motivation.

To see how banal and flawed and tragic your views are a reader has to grasp that for you the origins of this "battle" was that Stalin ejected "anarchists and Trotskyites" some of whom were Jews. But some had brown hair and some blonde, some were of other races, some were overweight in all probability. The factual analysis of why there is the obsession with Jews is non-existent. Its historical inertia - its there because its there because its there.

As another far right poster, thecookieducker, has commented "races have always made war on other races". That is actually more honest and yet still as unhinged as your invalidated excuse.

Its more likely that Hitler instinctively utilised the hatred of others to help create the group hysteria and sense of mission that propelled him to leave more than fifty million dead, many millions murdered in the death camps.

You will pretend via your "agnosticism" on the Holocaust that it never happened ( hence your "agnosticism") and that the Holocaust was made up to put people off "statists". You usually go on to say that any killing was done by the Russians - despite the mass of evidence that it was the Nazis. You then usually shoot yourself in the foot by saying the Russians are statists. None of the far right experts on the Holocaust will show up at the trial of the alleged Nazi war criminal Djemjanjuk to show that there was no Holocaust.

There is no integrity or substance or credibility in anything that you say and saying something often fools nobody!

#57 jaded_Jean

"Teachers and pupils
Doctors and patients
University enginering lcturers and students

and supplement it with other examples in order to better appreciate how you are indeed an advocate of, and a recruiter to, anarchism - no doubt without your being at all aware of it."

Pathetic!

Somebody who traveled in time from the era of Mayans believing in human sacrifice to the Gods could argue that everybody's thought processes today were "illusion/confusion" and that if you just listened to their views enough times and let yourself go .....

They would be teachers - but there has to be some objective analysis as to why you would want to listen to them and subjugate your will to theirs. In National Socialism it is so that somebody with the psychological need (or flaws) to be a pseudo-aristocrat and/or semi-religious entity as Hitler was in his day. They can fulfill their fantasy.

Objectively genetic variation is greater within a race than between races so the whole basis of the National Socialist agenda through eugenics, race "realism", euthanasia and so on is tripe.

The notion that there was no Holocaust has never survived anything but the most lazy and cursory analysis.

The notion of Hitler as a peace lover who managed to leave Europe in ruins and fifty plus million dead is risible.

Thats why the BNP and its fellow travelers always rely upon lies and distortion.

They are "not a Nazi party" - but scratch the surface and its all Hitler and national Socialism. They revere Hitler but use images of Churchill.

There is no courage, no substance, no intellect and no integrity - just people who will promote one lie and then flit to the next lie when the first is challenged and so on.

As an example the BNP London Assembly Member who claimed that there were three "local murders" that never happened. The Holocaust "agnosticism" is the most extreme and vile lie - but it shows the mentality of those who try to pass it off as truth.

#55 kingcelticlion

"The kilt and tartan goes way back, but was banned after the Battle of Culloden"

I am certainly no expert but my point was that nobody, sadly, knows what the tartans looked like and so they just made up the patterns in C19.

But I am all for cultural expression and self expression - its just when those who would replace democracy with tyranny and would use nationalistic fervour as a piggy-back to hateful crimes against humanity that I get worked up and start paying attention.

So have you seen much of Belfast of late?

Its been note worth that JJ's posts of recent times are getting moderated faster than others which makes me speculate that he is getting his own moderator dedicated to his posts. If thats true the public are having to pay someone to assess the far right offensiveness as suitable for public consumption incuding his views on the *legal* right to rape and stave women. Some editior some where in the BBC thinks all of this is OK, right and proper. Are the far right empolyed at the BBC? Serious question to the NN team.


Ditty away mim.

#62 Jaded_Jean

"It was not persecution of Jews because of their religion or because of their ethnicity, they comrpised a political threat. They were deemed 'an enemy within'"

First of you acknowledge persecution. Probably a mistake rather than honesty.

Secondly what you have described is capitalism so in a capitalist economy you would expect capitalist activity. Yet other groupings were not persecuted. Not middle aged fat white men and so - its race and Jews. If genetic variation is greater within a race than between races then in scientific terms there is barely a jot of difference between Jews and Caucasians and so on. So racial analysis in these ideological terms is nonsense.

Thirdly how would Hitler deal with the "enemy within". Zyclon-B as organised by Heidrich and Himmler.

"This is why Germany and Stalinist USSR were allies from 1939-June 1941. "

So why declare war then if Stalin was a "National Socialist". Why did the Soviets shoot so many retreating "comrades" - just because of mass murder and rape. Why cheerfully split Germany in two? Why did so many Nazis refuse to surrender to the Soviets and shot themselves if they had to?

You are truly delusional.

thegangofone (#63) "As ever there is sleight of hand. Jewish Bolshevism and Jewish international finance. One implies a political subset and the other a racial motivation."

It's an endogamous political movement. Can't you see that? Trotskyism and international finance serve the same anarchistic objective - namely anti statism. By freeing up the individual you create consumers with no state protection/regulation. Consumers become easy prey.

#68 jaded_jean

"Trotskyism and international finance serve the same anarchistic objective - namely anti statism."

Basically the logic is simply emotional despite your pretensions. "If they are not for us then they are against us". The reasons why they should "be for us" or why we "should be against them" are never realised.

Consumers become easy prey? Consumers get choice and value through market forces. No planned economy has ever survived for long without severe problems. So Russia is today a democracy with capitalism and China is in the process of reaping the benefits.

ASKING WHY

thegangofone (#63) "The factual analysis of why there is the obsession with Jews is non-existent."

Go and look at the demographics of NYC. Then look at the control of Wall Street and US economy. Then look at the Madoff Ponzi Scheme and more recent scams. You ignore the evidence. This appears to be predatory behaviour on outgroups. A small group settles amidst a larger group which it them preys upon. This is accounts for the hostility. The trick played is that it is 'evil' to point out the predatory behaviour. That is how these predatory acts have always operated. Why is this group alone singled out. There are many other immigrant groups. Why is this group so often in the news? Even when it comes to Muslim terrorists this tiny group is always in the frame too. Why? Why does it get so much attention from so many people?

Psychiatrically, this appears to be Axis II, Cluster B behaviour. Is this over-represented in this group? Is a gene barrier operating here?

#69 Jaded_Jean

Its an old question but would those who think like you have fought for Hitler against Britain or vice a versa?

I don't think you would have been allowed to fight for Britain in the past or today.

thegangofone (#67) This has all be explained to you before. You appear to be unable to take it in. Zyklon B was a fumigating agent used for delousing clothes. Gaz chambers were units for delousing clothes. There is a lot of paranoia and other mental illness in this group. To me, a lot of the stories are hysterical. People died in camps in WWII, mainly from typus. Why did Hitler and Stalin go to war in June 1941 but were allies before? Nobody really knows? Stalin was surprised allegedly. Was it to get rid of some of Stalin's opposition?

National Socialism is central planning and statism. Stalin wanted Socialism in one Country, not international socialism. It was Trotsky who wanted the latter. The latter is like New Labour's economic anarchism, power to to people etc. It is just consumerism.

The USSR and Germany BOTH invaded Poland in 1939. Why did France and Britain not declare war on the USSR? Poland was teh Jewish homeland in non USSR Eastern Europe. Jews were a problem to both Germany and the USSR.

#65 Go1

"I am certainly no expert but my point was that nobody, sadly, knows what the tartans looked like and so they just made up the patterns in C19."

This going to astound and amaze you. There are these things called paintings. Also in Scotland unbelievably people could read and write. They had these things they called books-with illustrations.

Clans even kept their history. Some of them were naughty and even when it was against the imposed English law, they kept their Highland dress and culture.

People were driven out of Scotland, to places like Canada and called where they lived names like Nova Scotia. Do you know what that might mean? And with them they took their culture and dress.

The English imposed a harsh tyranny, even Scottish landowners linked to England and trade were even worse. But history and culture were not lost and forgotten.

Where have you got this idea that "nobody, sadly, knows what the tartans looked like". Are you making up history or rewriting it yourself, to suit some personal agenda? People have been accused of that before!

THE PITFALLS OF NOT QUESTIONING ONE'S ASSUMPTIONS

streetphotobeing (#66) "Its been note worth that JJ's posts of recent times are getting moderated faster than others which makes me speculate that he is getting his own moderator dedicated to his posts. If thats true the public are having to pay someone to assess the far right offensiveness as suitable for public consumption incuding his views on the *legal* right to rape and stave women. Some editior some where in the BBC thinks all of this is OK, right and proper. Are the far right empolyed at the BBC? Serious question to the NN team."


If you are the president of Zimbabwe then all your statements are true.

Have you learned nothing?

#65; King George IV visited Scotland and prior to his arrival the Scots were in a panic as to how they could display their allegiance as a conquered people, after the rebellion and the debacle that was Culloden.

The answer came from two French tailors residing in the Royal Mile in Edinburgh who put forward the suggestion that HRH might wear the up till then proscribed "philabeg" or kilt, to show firstly the Scots' rehabilitation and secondly as a battle honour.

The suggestion was accepted, Sir Walter Scott was put in charge of the pomp and circumstance and the two French tailors were inundated with requests - nay demands - for kilts to be made for the ruling classes.

Their commercial antennae suitably attuned, the tailors declared that, as each clan had a differentiating pattern to their kilt, these requests would take time and money to fulfil. This idea of differentiating patternswas,of course, arrant nonsense; differentiators in the heat of battle or in the night amounted to bonnet style, usually a particular bird's feather and a distinctive battle cry or motto.

Nevertheless the tailors' ploys worked and the Scottish bourgeoisie and gentry fell over themselves to pay and display their new found tribal identity.

"What a parcel of rogues in a nation", indeed.

It was the same Scottish gentry who threw their "fellow" clansmen onto the Highland beaches to either starve or find passage to Canada/US/Australasia, while the vast, now vacant tracts of land were populated by the far more profitable Cheviot sheep.

Nationalists of course would have it otherwise - well they would, would'nt they?

Addendum (#74) A reminder.

True education is selective.

#42 + from mimpromptu
Celtic Lion
What an interesting exposition of your family's history and that of the kilt.
Kashibeyaz obviously jumped to conclusion about yourself far too quickly, something that, I suppose, most of us do at times to a lesser or higher degree about others or let's say political events - laughing at people or mocking them unfairly, or condemning a politically motivated action without full consideration of the facts. That's what one would expect from a wise person and what good and honest journalism should be all about.

#73; "the imposed English law"; sorry, it was Scots law, enforced by UK Government troops such as the Black Watch.

"the English imposed a harsh tyranny"; sorry, the UK government, incorporating the Scottish ruling classes, did this to avoid further French-backed rebellions which could act as distractions to the already shaky Hanoverian rule of the UK.

Like the gangofone, I too get suspicious of ultra-nationalist fervour, particularly whenever it attempts to re-write history.

Too many Scottish Tourist Board leaflets spout the same populist nationalistic twaddle.

Maybe now people up north will start really thinking about whether it is in their interest to have Salmond and co. acting on their behalf on the world stage.

All those Canadians and Americans who trace Scots ancestry in their genealogy ain't going to be shouting or spending so much after this.
Last year I think their spend was worth a quarter of a billion pounds, a lot of Edinburgh Castle Rock to stay rotting on the shelves of Princes Street.

Now is the winter of my discontent!

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kashibeyaz (#75) "Nationalists of course would have it otherwise - well they would, would'nt they?"

Given Scotland has its SNP, maybe Griffin and friends should re badge themselves as the ENP? It'll be the Regional Development Agencies demanding more devolution next, so maybe Griffin should register domain names for the NENP, NWNP, MNP, SENP, SWNP and LNP?

#66
streetphotobeing
I have recently made friends with a Russian Jew and have asked him to have a look at the Newsnight blogging. I wonder what he is going to make of all those holocaust denials, jj's justification for rape and starvation of women, etc. In fact, streetphotobeing, I wonder whether jj has myself as the target, after all he's claiming I'm engaging in some money making sexual activities?
With regard to my ditties, I seem to be writing a few a day but ideally prefer to share my more positive ones here - but may yet change my mind.

kashibeyaz (#78) "Like the gangofone, I too get suspicious of ultra-nationalist fervour, particularly whenever it attempts to re-write history."

Then you need to look far more critically into history, as much of it's just political propaganda. Have a look at Bullock's book on Hitler and Stalin and note how he talks of what they 'thought'. Or any of Martin Gilbert's books, especially the ones with maps and pictures.

To thegangofone

Have you formally complained to the BBC about jaded_jeans activity on here ? And I'd like to know if any one else has complained. You can find me on flickr if no one wants to reply on here.

And to mim - did the BBC reply to you at all ?

#75 kashibeyaz

#73 People were driven out of Scotland, to places like Canada and called where they lived names like Nova Scotia. Do you know what that might mean? And with them they took their culture and dress.

The English imposed a harsh tyranny, even Scottish landowners linked to England and trade were even worse. But history and culture were not lost and forgotten.

#55 Scottish history is complicated as it owes more to allegiances and conflicts between clans at times rather than to the media/Hollywood projection of a nation state.

Hence similarities between the historical clan system of Scotland and an understanding of the 'warlord' tribal Afghanistan in the present.

Strictly the tartan was less a Clan identity more a regional identity related to local styles and methods of dye production. As clans themselves had a regional location a loose association built.

Nationalism? First was the shifting alliances of the Clan structure. Only comparatively recently have the Highlands and Lowlands managed to reconcile themselves as within one country.

Now the national party appears more concerned with it's political prestige and hold on power, rather than representing and ensuring the best for the country called Scotland. But they are just another political party like all political parties, so should anything more be expected.

#83
from mim to streetphotobeing
No, they never do but at least they're not deleting my ditties any more, which they did when I had sent one to you wishing you a speedy recovery and to Mistress76uk, and a few other ones.
Re: jj's special treatment - I wonder if it's not him who is the blogdog hiding away in some BBC studio, profiting from all the facilities and disposing of his superior instructions.

#85
en plus
streetphotobeing
Did you enjoy the sun this weekend?
I'm off for a snooze
And the muse to amuse,
so will have to read your response after that. So long!
mim

mimpromptu (#81) "I have recently made friends with a Russian Jew and have asked him to have a look at the Newsnight blogging. I wonder what he is going to make of all those holocaust denials,"

Ask him what he makes of the President of Palestine's PhD and book on the subject. Be sure to note who appointed his supervisor.

Whilst you're at it, ask him why the USSR got fed up with 'cosmopolitans' in the 1950s and what the Russians think of them today after they liberated their state assets in the 1990s.

Have you been looking critically into your conditionals' antecedents recently?

re #66 streetphotobeing wrote:
Its been note worth that JJ's posts of recent times are getting moderated faster than others
My Last post #54 at 4.01Pm still awaits clearance from higher powers - at 9:55 PM - nearly 6 hrs later
- it contains no threats, no links, no foul and abusive, just a few ugly facts that spoil a 'beautiful theory'

This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

I've been away, and I realise that the thrust of this blog has got way beyond al Megrahi and into its usual antagonisms, but I want to say how much I appreciated comment 37 about Calley of My Lai.

#88 GlenisDevereux

6 hrs! I have posts that have been 'referred to the moderators' after 6 weeks. Still waiting for an email from the BBC as to why.

They were factually correct, contained no abuse, no links. If the BBC had contacted me then I could have supplied the evidence if any required to support them.

Street Photo Being

Still waiting for a reply from Newsnight Investigations.

SAD GRIST TO THE ANARCHIST THESIS MILL

Has it all been in pursuit of EU NUTS, or is it really something much worse?

GlenisDevereux (#88) To date many of your posts have been disrespectful and abusive. I've accepted that, like thegangofone (and a few others), you may be unable to express yourself objectively. For some people, everything is opinion and they can't be told anything.

Just another day on the Migration Watch site... : (

https://www.magentanews.com/cache.asp?n=6718939

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/children-brought-to-uk-for-benefit-fraud-1776255.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208445/Romanian-fraudsters-use-trafficked-babies-children-multi-million-pound-UK-benefit-scam.html

UNBELIEVABLE!

#86
un peu plus en plus
from mim to streetphotobeing
As you can see from #87, streetphotobeing, jj does nothing but instructs. Half the time, if not more, I don't have a clue what he is talking about but then maybe I'm not educated enough.
Also, can you see that he's not denying his 'claims' on me to which I pointed out in #81?

To all Newsnight bloggers from mimpromptu
As there has been so much discussion about Muslim women wearing veils and about the male/female equality or, in fact, lack of it, in the Muslim world, I'd like to make my contribution in the following rhythm & rhyme verses:
For the purpose of this rhythm and rhyme
A change in a name I plan
Instead of Muslim women I'll write
Mus. women so that the beats are right.

What I don't understand one bit
And what makes my teeth at times grit
Is why so submissive they agree to be
To men. It simply beats me.

So many clever ladies, I'm sure,
Hiding behind the veil galore,
What otherwise they could share with us,
Wit or their wisdom revealing thus.

Sure, if they're really happy to wear
The veils hiding their hair
It's up to them, I know, wouldn't insist
If that's how they want to persist.

But why would they want to shed
Their right to vote, let's say?
Isn’t it what’s happening now
In Mali with one of its rivers Senegal?

The saddest thing about poor Mus. woman
Of all is why the cruel Mus. man of Taliban
Should be allowed to starve and to rape
His wife - to suffering thus turning her fate.

mimpromptu (#94) "I don't have a clue what he is talking about but then maybe I'm not educated enough."

A dawning that you need more instruction?

Is failure to benefit from opportunity a deficit in education or a deficit in educability?

NARCISSITIC ENTITLEMENT

mimpromptu (#95)

"What I don't understand one bit
And what makes my teeth at times grit
Is why so submissive they agree to be
To men. It simply beats me"

In some cultures (most until recent times), the marriage contract ws an exchange. The woman was given economic and material support, the man was given sexual relief. Once entered into the contract both parties were obligated to honour their vows in ordr to honour the contract. What you call submission is in fact the woman just honouring the contract. The asymmetry of the contract is not just a function of differences in programmed sexual behaviour (males having to get rid of sperm more often than females can have egges fertilized), but that when females do become pregnant, they are sure that 50% of their offspring is genetically theirs. The man has no such guarantee. This is why females have to honour as well as obey if they expect to be fed and sheltered.

It is females' greater innate? self-centredness/vanity/narcissism/selfishness (call it what one will) which usually renders this quid pro quo opaque to them. It is called narcissistic entitlement. Sexual dimorphism is not absolute. We have cerebrally feminized males and cerebrally androgenized females.

Women's liberation/rights, has been used politically to destabilize the liberal-democracies. It reinforces individualism, erodes the nuclear and state, facilitatiung naked capitalism.

Not seeing this may be part of female lower spatial awareness and narcissism. A scotoma.

To streetphotobeing from mim
As you seem to be quite interested in knowing what's been happening to our complaints to the BBC, I'd like to share with you a couple of my experiences of how the BBC has totally ignored me.
First of all, they ran a great thing about 10 famous Britons abroad and inviting the bloggers to send in information about any other famous Brits they may be aware of. As I know of Kevin Aiston, a very famous and widely liked Brit in Poland, without thinking twice about it I composed a ditty about Kevin and sent it off. Have the BBC even acknowledged my participation? No. They did eventually do something about Kevin, not sufficient to my mind as he is a great person and worth knowing about. If anybody would like to find out more about Kevin, he has his own website which is easily accessible on the internet. Below is my ditty about Kevin but first I'd like to mention another complaint I made which was regarding Jeremy Clarkson's silly but at the same time rather offensive add about some car or other which seemed to have hurt quite a few Poles who have also complained. Not only was my complaint acknowledged but also I haven't seen any apologies from Mr Clarkson to anybody else. I can't quote my complaint here as I haven't saved it but I remember using the word 'stupid'.
Kevin Aiston
There is a guy called Kevin
Who in Poland is very well known.
BBC he’s even worked for
At some stage in his life before.

He dreamed of exploring the space,
Served in the Marines at sea,
Famous in Poland his face
And very much liked there, you see.

If you’d like a bit more to know
About Kevin Aiston’s own show
You can go into his site
Where more details are brought into light.

#98 from mimpromptu
streetphotobeing
I think I should have said 'Not only my complaint was not acknowledged but also'.
For the sake of speed, I just write as things come to my mind without dwelling too much on the grammar, etc. In days past I would sometimes spend hours on one phrase and thus blocking myself from engaging in other activities. So there you are, as long as I convey my thoughts clearly enough and if others are prepared to read them, then who cares about perfection? This is not a book to be published and my contribution here is free of charge.

Well I woke up this morning and found I lived in a pariah state. The US are going to boycott Scottish products.

The television, telephone, penicillin, steam engine, OHV engine, pedal cycle, pneumatic tyres, logarithms, electromagnetics.......

And give up free market capitalism after rejecting the work of Adam Smith.