How should we deal with anti-social behaviour?

Not sure that confiscating property is actually a lawful thing to do unless it can be proved they were obtained illegally. Anyway, the question is moot as there will be no police available to respond in any case.

From ASBO to CBO - big changes, indeed.
What don't the Government get - when it comes to anti social behaviour, especially in the community, and especially in a community filled with fear of being the next victim, it can be hard enough getting ONE person to report, never mind five.

By making antisocial behaviour an offence and by getting the Police to enforce the law.
It is simple really, yet the experts still seem unable to protect their paymasters - us.

How should we deal with anti-social behaviour?
Well....a good start would be letting the thugs know that they are not going to get away with it anymore.
If we need to open boot camps,borstals or approved schools,then soonest done soonest mended.

By investing in Police numbers and protecting Police front line services.

Under a Conservative Government we should expect more police, effective crime control and harsher more relevant sentencing.

Sorry this Tory Government appear to want more crime, more fear of crime and more division in David's Big Society.

Cut, Cut, Cut = Crime, Crime, Crime.

Is it going to be a new name for the same thing? My bet is it will be.
But to the blowing of trumpets and the release of the usual hot air Cameron or May will announce that the proposals they have are the greatest thing since sliced bread.
More trumpet blowing from a lack lustre Government.

I believe that ASB is the result of years of anti family legislation. From the discouragement of marriage through the tax and benefit system through to the legislation preventing proper censure of children and beyond, successive Governments, with the guiding hand of the EU courts, have ensured that fecklessness and the 'rights' culture have triumphed over good education, good behaviour, hard work and the nuclear family. ASB starts with parents and the lifestyle they lead. The offspring they produce and the way they behave are an indictment of their lifestyle choices. For me, the current generation of ASBO kids are lost and we will need our joke of a legal system to deal with them. The next generation can be helped however but taking their IPODS and other toys off them is merely locking the stable door after the horse has bolted. Until the root cause of poor behaviour, ie bad adults rewarded by a benefits system skewed to reward them is not dealt with properly then we condemn another generation of kids from bad homes to nothing but crime and misery and another generation of law abiding citizens to more exposure to the offspring of vile, nast, drunken and violent adults.

We could cuddle offenders until they become good again, even lavishing them with expensive items / holidays / one on one tuition! I've heard it really works!

A good place to start would be with the parents. Most of them do not want to know what their children are up to and dont care if they cause problems. Fining the parents - even if they are on benefits - might be a start. It IS the parents responsibility to ensure their offspring are behaving themselves. If offenders persist then they must be sent to special training schools which are tough and not holiday camps so they can learn the error of their ways. There are enough people out of work who could supervise these thugs I would think, and parents need to be taught lessons as well.

There are suggestions that we, the UK, cut all ties with the European Court of Human Rights. Good, then maybe we can start dishing out proper punishments for proper crimes. Basic amenities, basic rations and hard labour whilst in prison should become the norm, then maybe some of these thugs will think twice before offending.

Bring back the birch

The point is we have been too soft for to long.
How often do you hear of cases going to court where a 'lout' is given a warning......followed at a a later date by a ...warning........followed at a later date by a.......another warning. And so the daft cycle continues. ALL this takes time and money....and must be demoralising for the police and local community who want to see peace in their communities. SO MANY communities in this country are being let down by 'mealy mouthed' politicians.
I hear Asbo's are treated as a 'badge of honour' among the recipients........doesn't that tell you that the system is too cushy?
If they go ahead and scrap ASBO's I want to see them relaced with something that is SWIFT, EFFECTIVE and is something that they, the unruly youth......... DO NOT LIKE. That is what makes a good , effective punishment....'something they do not like'.

Behaviour therapy

How about making the police attend crimes instead of sorry we don't have any officers available every friday night all last years summer.
In fact the whole justice system needs a total overhaul and the police need direction as to what we see as priorities, my priorities would be hunt down the sex offenders hunt down those that are trafficking children and women for prostitution, next go get the violent criminals the drunken yobs.
The courts need a shake up as well how is it right for a child molester to receive the same sentence as a shoplifter or even less in some cases, or a murderer to be released from prison at all, life should mean life.

We have ended up with the society we deserve!
We wanted ultimate freedom, free from having our behaviour judged or commented upon negatively by any person or group. That is what we have - is it such a surprise that many people abused this ultimate freedom. Freedom comes with civic responsibility - an ethos which seems to be ignored by bleeding hearts who have never had to live in a crime ridden area.

We delivered this 'ultimate freedom', then robbed the police of the support they needed to deal with those who abused it. Good luck trying to recover the situation!

Three things would help I would have thought…

1) A zero-tolerance policy. Any sign of anti-social behavior should be punished immediately. No excuses; no “hug-a-hoodie”, you break the law, you will be punished.

2) Make the zero-tolerance policy across the board. Zero tolerance on breaking any law. I believe that some of the problem is that the law is held in contempt because it’s not enforced.

3) Withdrawal of the benefits of society. Being part of society has responsibilities as well as rights. If someone doesn’t like society to the point where they are anti-social, then withdraw the benefits of society – housing benefit, dole, the right to use roads, etc.

It might make me look politically to the right of Ghengis Khan – but I doubt he had trouble from louts such as these.

1. Give EVERYBODY a decent environment in which to grow and develop.
Not just those who live in the leafy stockbroker belt of Surrey and
such like places.

2. Give EVERYBODY a decent education. Not just those who attend
privileged seats, part funded as charitable bodies, by the ordinary
taxpayer. Better still stop the use of tax relief on donations to
private schools, these are businesses involved in educating the
children of the wealthy.

3. Give everybody an equal chance in life. Not just those born into
families where nepotism, influence and wealth open doors for the
few. Equality of opportunity should mean just that and be a
matter enforceable by the Equalities Commission.

4. Include good parenting in the education system. And make sure
that the children of the wealthy are included in the classes to
encourage decent and responsible attitudes to parenting in the
future.

5. When minors commit offences make sure that the parents, of whatever
standing, are made to attend in court and if found to have been
neglectful in the upbringing of the child, named and shamed as a
bad parent.

6. Stand back and wait for 30 years, just stop switching policies
every 4 or 5 years. These sort of changes take a generation or
two to come into to effect.

Stiffer sentancing. If the child is under 15 then make the parents suffer. I'm sorry there is not reason a child under 15 should be out past 9pm on a school weekday which are most the times of anti social behaviour.

One thing that does annoy me is graffiti. This should be an instant prison sentance - minimum 1yr.

Surely stiffer sentances mean some sort of detterant? At the moment, most people know they are unlikely to be caught by police or even if they do then not much will be done.

We can start by admitting that the law does not protect anyone; it never has. What protects us is mutual respect. This has now disappeared. Generations of political correctness and political social engineering have produced a nation of morons. It started with the Wilson Labour administration in 1965, and has been relentlessly pursued by every subsequent Labour government. There is no easy fix; no simple policy will put it right. The most constructive actions we can take to secure the future are to demand common sense from our politicians, and never to vote Labour again.

i await the first comment of "Hang'em" or "Flog'em" with baited breath.

By bringing back the family and making parents responsible for the behaviour of their children.

There are no (with a few exceptions) bad children, just bad parents.

The gradual destruction of the family has led to the destruction of society.

Here we go, borstals, boot camps, national service, death penalties, the usual.

I recall towards the end of National Service, now seen as a great crime preventer. If you volunteered for the army you could get out of Borstal. I remember some of these characters coming back from a spell in Aden, boasting how they had raped Arab girls. The army, as it was then, did not cure crime. Thank goodness we now have a professional army with core values, not a dumping ground for criminals.

7. At 08:40am on 07 Feb 2011, Dr Prod wrote:
I believe that ASB is the result of years of anti family legislation. From the discouragement of marriage through the tax and benefit system through to the legislation preventing proper censure of children and beyond, successive Governments, with the guiding hand of the EU courts, have ensured that fecklessness and the 'rights' culture have triumphed over good education, good behaviour, hard work and the nuclear family.

The "EU Court" has nothing whatsoever to do with family policies in this country. The EU court enforces the EU single market legislation. I suspect you mean the European Court of Human Rights that has nothing whatsoever to do with the EU. I really wish the anti-EU people on here would get these very basic and simple facts right so you know what windmill you really are tilting at.

However, let's argue that the ECHR has affected family life in this country. There are 46 other states that are signatories to the European Convention on Human Rights and are subject to the European Court of Human Rights. How come they don't seem to have had the same breakdown in behaviour that we allegedly have seen in the UK if they are subject to exactly the same Human Rights laws as the UK?

How should we deal with anti-social behaviour?

Easy…. (wait for it)… “by being tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime”.

Haha – don’t you just love it? It’s the way I tell ‘em!

One way to help would be by stopping the institute of directors coming out with stupid, drachonian ANTI SOCIAL demands as reported by the BBC today.

Prison.

The police are a load of wimps when it comes to dealing with anti social behaviour,they are only interested in cruising the street in cars,looking for easy targets,and the crown prosecution service needs cleaning up as well,they are useless.

The state of this Country compared with 50 years ago will prove my statements, when coppers were coppers and we treated them with respect.
NOT ANYMORE.

Who's to blame,POLITICIANS thats who sticking their political snouts into something that was working,and of course we must never forget the STUPID DO-GOODERS OF THIS COUNTRY,who should shoulder the biggest share of todays criminal society.

18. At 08:50am on 07 Feb 2011, UKStinks wrote:
One thing that does annoy me is graffiti. This should be an instant prison sentance - minimum 1yr.
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Banksy? Technically what he does is graffiti.
And have you seen the reverse graffiti some people are doing - it is graffiti with cleaning products!

It's largely down to PARENTING...

AND ensuring parents have enough time for children and make the effort.

Where both parents are working different shifts in distant jobs, with the best will in the world, there isn't going to be much time with them.

The benefit created lazy families, where they exist, need in some way to be compelled to set good examples to their children, but poor estates, where they exist, often breed more of the same and there are often already trouble makers setting an example.

We can't its been going on far too long amongst a small minority and is rapidly becoming the acceptable norm. In the end it needs enforcement. PoliceOfficers we are getting rid of (apparently) out on the street enforcing, not sitting in PACTS meetings mentoring the worried citizens.
When nothing in rlation to low level offending is punished those inclined grow up thinking they can do just as trhey like with impunity and low level bocomes serious level.
These yobs have largely replaced the Police as the authority on the street Nobody including me would question their action. I don't want locking up for causing trouble or assault.........which is exactly what happens.

We've discussed this very thoroughly some time ago. The general opinion then was that parents should take responsibility and prevent their irresponsible offspring from roaming the streets and causing trouble.

It seems to me these measures are further eroding our liberty and justice. If they have committed a crime arrest them, if they haven't then we cannot arrest them. To me harassing someone so much they commit suicide is a crime and should be punishable, we shouldnt need to make up orders to restrict these people. We live in a crazy country, where you could be arrested for smoking a plant but not arrested for being an absolute nuisance to your community.

We need to strengthen the rights of individuals and communities to stand up to anti-social behaviour necause the police frequently do far too little now and quite probably won't respond at all once budget cuts really bite. Those being anti-social or criminal currently have the law weighted more in their favour than does the ordinary citizen. Exactly how this might be done needs to be debated but it is a step that needs to be taken. Certainly concern for the welfare and indeed human rights of those being anti-social or criminal needs to be reduced as these people currently severely affect the welfare and human rights of their victims, generally without any sanction or concern on their part.

Research has suggested that there may be a way that the UK can detach itself from the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg without jeopardising its membership of th EU. If this is the case, then this might make unruly elements think twice as they would then have no protective legislation to hide behind.

Anti-social behaviour, like many other forms of crime, exist simply because at present there are no deterrents from criminal activity - the judicial system in the UK has been reduced to a laughing stock as it would seem that the current Human Rights legislation is intended to protect the perpetrator from being exploited by a corrupt system.

The reality is that this happens rarely, if ever any more, and that the real victims are those against whom the crime was committed, NOT the criminal.

Prisoners, when convicted, should be afforded the most basic rights, a bed, food, water, and sanitation facilities - anything else thereafter, such as TVs, games consoles, etc. become privileges that can as easily be taken away as were provided. The allowance to vote in elections, for example, is not a "basic human right" and so disallowing prisoners from contributing is therefore no violation - it would even exist had we not created the concept - it is a privilege of living in decent society, one which the criminal chose to show contempt for in the pursuit of their activities, which as a result they were sentenced to be removed from said society.

For criminal justice to work, the punishment needs to fit the crime and the prisoner needs to feel like they have been punished, that is its purpose. If their feelings get hurt or they don't like the punishment, then as long as nothing illegal has been done to them, then I'm afraid that's just too bad, and once criminals realise that they no longer have any "human rights" argument to protect themselves, then they will stop what they do.

I am an ex pat now living in Canada. Whenever I visit the UK I don't have to look too far to see examples of anti social behavior, a thing I am no longer used to in Canada. The Brits need to stop selling alcohol around the clock to these thugs. Courts need to take a much heavier approach to sentencing these offenders. The British police get no respect from these thugs, they know the police take a soft approach with them. My advice to Brit thugs is come to Canada, get drunk on our streets, abuse law abiding citizens, oh yes and then be faced with a police officer who has a loaded gun and an electric taser. Anti social behavior is not a regular sight on our streets. Look and learn UK, look and learn!

It's about time they started calling it criminal behaviour - most of so-called anti-social behaviour is actually criminal, and we already have quite robust laws to deal with criminal behaviour.

How about we stop issuing ASBOs, CBOs, MBEs etc to these criminals so they can wear them as badges of pride amongst their peers and start actually punishing them under the long standing criminal laws we already have in place?

Call it a CBO not an ASBO that is sure to work.

From the government that brought us Aircraft Carriers without Aircraft, advice centres without Advisers, and Libraries without books what more can you expect!

Well, given the police cuts and the legal systems desire to make money and not actually enforce the law, I guess we will have to do the politically expedient thing and redefine antisocial behaviour, like the economy, 'something the tories fixed for us'.
Nothing more, nothing less.

Nothing is joined up in government so the chances of now after all these years of actually addressing this and many other pressing issues is about zero.
This government annouces with fanfare of trumpets "The new Big Society" they sort of explain the idea and how they see it functioning then set about cutting all the resource and infrastructure to nurture it.
If they were gardeners they would plants something, not water it and when it wilted remove the soil too. Then blame the plant for being diseased before moving on to the next big idea. We never ever get past the talk bit.

23. At 08:53am on 07 Feb 2011, Total Mass Retain wrote:
7. At 08:40am on 07 Feb 2011, Dr Prod wrote:
I believe that ASB is the result of years of anti family legislation. From the discouragement of marriage through the tax and benefit system through to the legislation preventing proper censure of children and beyond, successive Governments, with the guiding hand of the EU courts, have ensured that fecklessness and the 'rights' culture have triumphed over good education, good behaviour, hard work and the nuclear family.

The "EU Court" has nothing whatsoever to do with family policies in this country. The EU court enforces the EU single market legislation. I suspect you mean the European Court of Human Rights that has nothing whatsoever to do with the EU. I really wish the anti-EU people on here would get these very basic and simple facts right so you know what windmill you really are tilting at.

However, let's argue that the ECHR has affected family life in this country. There are 46 other states that are signatories to the European Convention on Human Rights and are subject to the European Court of Human Rights. How come they don't seem to have had the same breakdown in behaviour that we allegedly have seen in the UK if they are subject to exactly the same Human Rights laws as the UK?

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You sure?

https://bbc.kongjiang.org/www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12378558

One word * DISCIPLINE *

A new Badge of Honour for the mindless, horrible thugs & yobs who pollute our streets. When are we going to learn? When are we going to take crime seriously? More prisons, in the region of about 10-15, are urgently needed. Prisons without 4-Star hotel-style facilities. Get this filth off our streets and into a place where they belong.
We have tried understanding these foul louts, understanding the reasons behind yobbery & thuggery, paying them to behave (in bribes), ASBOs etc etc etc.
Isn't it about time we started using a Zero tolerance Policy? I would rather my taxes went on keeping them locked up than paying the inordinate amount of money we pay for councillors who try and rationalise their foul behaviour.
Bottom line: Nice idea, nice badge for the thug and no chance of it ever working.

7. At 08:40am on 07 Feb 2011, Dr Prod wrote:
I believe that ASB is the result of years of anti family legislation. From the discouragement of marriage through the tax and benefit system through to the .............

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This posting sums up the problems very well indeed. Well said!

The problems start very young and the child is not taught to respect other people and other peoples' property and feelings. The children do not understand the meaning of a loving caring family life where everyone acts reasonably. They end have having no comprehension of acceptable behaviour. Bad or non-existent parenting is the main cause but I am not sure how this can be dealt with.

Perhaps, as this country is skint, we can save a few bob and help solve the problems in the longer term by stopping all (new) child benefit payments although this will be very controversial.

Never mind what the "experts" tell us - the perception amongst inhabitants of the real world is that ASBOS don't work - if they did we could have expected a huge reduction in anti-social behaviour - figures for REPORTED incidents can be massaged to prove whatever the author wants them to "prove" but ACTUAL incidents where decent people have been assaulted/intimidated/unable to walk the streets after dark are legion- but apparently do not figure in "statistics" - perhaps each member of the cabinet should try walking through a town centre (unaccompanied - no bodyguards!) when the little darlings are up and about to get an idea of life for real! Changing the name "ASBO" for something more trendy isn't going to make a ha'porth of difference.
It's pointless making lots of new laws unless the Police are able to ENFORCE them - that seems unlikely judging both on past experience and the imminent prospect of Police on the streets becoming more and more stretched by "cuts".
I would propose that -
1. The Police are properly funded by scrapping all Foreign Aid - charity begins at home!
2. The Police are then instructed to actually enforce the law - not just go around slapping wrists!
3. Sentences for behaviour such as violence and intimidation should include the option of PUNISHMENT - not litter picking or snow clearing whilst having a laugh with your mates, but punishment which actually makes the offender think twice about re-offending - i.e: weekends spent in prison, evening curfews enforced, and in some cases the use of corporal punishment - if they dish it out then they deserve to get it back !

Ha! It's great to start the day with a giggle.

The very last ASBOs to be issued should go to everyone in this irrational government. The new CBOs should be issued immediately to all bankers and their cohorts (the government again) who've been left to squirrel away billions of pounds from the country. Am sure more than 5 people can trigger that class action easily enough.

Then there's Blair et al who worked really hard to wear a CBO for throwing this country into an illegal war, while Brown undermined our finances by selling off our gold reserves.

In other words, the daily 'cuts' inflicted on the nation are being dished out at incredible speed, without being thought through. Just as a think-tank theory - someone has to go to hospital suddenly, house empty, gets vandalised - but no police patrols to see it, or 5 neighbours awake to alert anyone, as it takes place in the wee small hours. Makes ya think eh?

Alas, there doesn't seem to be much cohesive substance between the ears of Cameron, Clegg and their bureaucratic clan. Just constant punishment of a nation not guilty of the massive deficits created by government/banking mismanagement.

Scrap ASBOs.
Introduce conscription.

Five people to pull a trigger? Just one is more than enough.

And please can we return to effective standards of discipline in the home, at school, and in public. "Children should be seen and not heard" may be a notch too far, but only a notch. Parents must realise that it is only they who think their child is the most important thing in the world. Mutual respect is the most important thing in the world and it is about time ALL parents and their children understood it.

It starts in the cradle! The daughter of a friend came to visit me recently with her 18 month old son, who is actually quite a delightful child, but is being raised under the 'New Order' of liberal parenting. The little boy proceeded to try to lift a large glass bowl. When I gently said to him "No dear, that's not a good idea, if it breaks you may hurt yourself" I was told by his mother "We don't say NO to him". I ignored her and removed the boy from the possible source of disaster. He then proceeded to constantly hurl himself at the glass doors whilst his mother watched him silently but with a look of utter adoration on her face.

#21 "By bringing back the family and making parents responsible for the behaviour of their children.

There are no (with a few exceptions) bad children, just bad parents.

The gradual destruction of the family has led to the destruction of society."

x 100%

proper jobs with a future for all young people, so they dont commit crime is the first step

16. At 08:49am on 07 Feb 2011, CoeurDeHamster wrote:

It might make me look politically to the right of Ghengis Khan – but I doubt he had trouble from louts such as these.

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Absolutely spot on - Under Ghengis Khan people did not commit crimes or behave anti-socially. They were too busy invading, pillaging, raping and murdering .

I reckon about 50% of UK population is Anti Social, so keep ASBO's.

Cameron,
Talking unity whilst creating division. A true blue!

This should appeal to most on HYS. Give ALL children strong zombie medication from the age of 2, Pingu just doesn't work. As the medication takes effect begin brainwashing techniques, as used by special operatives, then if that process fails, having given the individual(s) every opportunity to conform, the final step is extermination, but only from the age of 8 upwards.
Some of the conditions are already in our favour for such a plan,for example no one need use an once intelligence (all will be brain dead anyway) to address any of the root causes of such behaviour. Forced conformism is the only way.

The only way to tackle anti-social behaviour is to keep Police on the beat!!!
How many times do we have to tell Governments that reducing policing is ASKING FOR TROUBLE.
Community Policing has been very helpful in my district - and IT WORKS - providing you do not cut back the police PRESENCE and you support your local police.
Also CCTV is very helpful - I hear people(and Government) say that CCTV is intrusive BUT that's rubbish in my opinion. CCTV works and saves lives! We need more of it in my view.

the reason things are getting so bad are that we spend far too long taking the softly, softly approach hoping that these people will change their behaviour themselves. The problem is in most cases they do not, why should they? They are not told they are doing wrong and should take responsiblity for their actions and change them or face the consequences of thier behaviour, instead excuses are made for them for far too long and the victims of their anti social actions are made to suffer the consequences of this. I am the last person to want to criminalise people, however I believe that in order to stop people we need to give clear guidance and time frames in which the behaviors need to cease or sanctions will be imposed. We have suffered late night noise from a neighbour for over two years now, all we hear every time we complain is "We will have a word" well surely it must be obvious by now that words are not working and that firmer action needs to be taken!!

Does the phrase 'anti-social behaviour' exist in other countries? I suspect not. We should cease using this phrase and label and record it as crime, which is what it is, and punish it accordingly with significant consequences. The fundamental problem in the way we deal with young people is that we fail to realise that small misdemeanours left unchecked, invariably lead on to further escalation as young people try to find where the lines are that should be given to them by schools, their parents and the legal system but increasingly aren't. We get the behaviour we deserve because of our irresponsible and negligent attitudes to bringing up our young. Our national motto should be 'Do what you like; it is most unlikely that there will be any consequences'.

A nation scared of children and the result is the asbo.Were are the youth clubs?.A minority of children abusing themselves with drugs and alcohol.Mllions of children going to scouts,guides and the cadets.Parents taking son`s to football or rugby practice.
Try talking to the parents who we might find in real need of help with with their children.There has to be respect from children in schools.If they don`t want to learn then look at the child and the family.

What is the best way to tackle anti-social behaviour?

I'm dismayed by a quick glance at the above comments.
We have been lead down a punishment based culture that seems now to be ingrained.

If you want to foster social cohesion, then investment is required.
More carrots less sticks.

Of course this isn't going to happen when the policies are set by idiots that know the cost of everything yet don't understand the value of anything.

Bring back the birch for serious anti-social behaviour and see how the thugs like a taste of their own medicine. And while we are about that bring back the death penalty for 1st degree murder. Nasty crimes deserve nasty punishments and the punishment should put a bit of fear into the minds and hearts of those who perpetrate nasty crimes.

37. At 09:07am on 07 Feb 2011, steve wrote:
Call it a CBO not an ASBO that is sure to work.

From the government that brought us Aircraft Carriers without Aircraft, advice centres without Advisers, and Libraries without books what more can you expect!

At least they won't bankrupt us like Labour and create vast ghettos where problems of this type flourish.

It seems to me that WHATEVER they do it will be of NO use because we will have LESS Police on the Streets WITH THIS NEW CONCEPT and this will be the FIRST thing that this lot will Bleet about WHEN (AND IT WILL) the Crime rate goes UP
There has NOT been ONE thing that this Government or the one before have done that has NOT BACK FIRED, and this will be NO exception.-- The laws that there are NOW are NOT heavy enough,-- A punishment that gives a criminal MORE Years in Prison (SORRY HOLIDAY CAMP)for robbery than one how kills CANNOT BE RIGHT Yet they let it carry on,cannot they see this fact,OR don't they want to

35. At 09:07am on 07 Feb 2011, Flyingbeaver wrote:

I am an ex pat now living in Canada. Whenever I visit the UK I don't have to look too far to see examples of anti social behavior, a thing I am no longer used to in Canada. The Brits need to stop selling alcohol around the clock to these thugs. Courts need to take a much heavier approach to sentencing these offenders. The British police get no respect from these thugs, they know the police take a soft approach with them. My advice to Brit thugs is come to Canada, get drunk on our streets, abuse law abiding citizens, oh yes and then be faced with a police officer who has a loaded gun and an electric taser. Anti social behavior is not a regular sight on our streets. Look and learn UK, look and learn!

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I'd rather live in a country with crime problems which retained a healthy suspicion of authority. Freedom has a price — in our case, higher crime. Keep your gun-toting uniformed thugs. I've spent a lot of time in Canada, and it's a truly lifeless place.

My heartfelt advice is that, if the UK upsets you so much, don't visit.

When we get round to dealing with ant social behavior seriously perhaps the first anti social group we should deal with is this bunch economic and social vandals better known as the CONDEM government ,there does not seem much social conscience among this section of the community , they lack vision and any real ideas on how to move the country forward and taking away a few i pad s etc will not solve anti social behavior, come on lets have some real thinking from people who have put themselves up as the savior of the nation not just mad axe men of Whitehall.

Sadgit

Bring back the days of an officer being able to give one of these little scumbags a clip round the ear and send them off home.

What's in a change of name? Take their i-PODS - they'll only steal another to replace it?

Sorry to be so down, but this policy is as useless as ASBOs. To curtail criminal behaviour (that's what it is), make the parents pay - they had the damn little thugs after all. Criminal compensation straight out of the pockets, don't have kids if you can't look after them.

Oh and another thing, why don't we do something to stop feckless parents having more feckless children? Benefits/tax credits for 2 children only, why should we pay for more?

As #15 has written, we end up with the society that we deserve. We have been too eager to excuse all manner of behaviour with no idea of the consequences. There are a lot of excellent parents and kids out there. There are also a large number of " oblivious" parents who seem to think their off-springs are not theirs to discipline or instruct. In my doctor's surgery the other day a girl of about 9/10 constantly roamed around, removing leaflets, going into the nurse's room and even going up and down in the lift. The Mum ignore her. It was only when the child starting tackling the repeat prescription box that another person intervened. A younger child then proceeded to run round the corner into consulting rooms and opened doors. Her Mum did nothing. This might seem like trivial examples but neither of those kids had any idea of how to behave.
I wonder what those kids will be up to in a few years?

The birch.

17. At 08:50am on 07 Feb 2011, SimpleOldSailor
39. At 09:09am on 07 Feb 2011, littletenter
45. At 09:22am on 07 Feb 2011, Susan
50. At 09:27am on 07 Feb 2011, Lewis Fitzroy
53. At 09:30am on 07 Feb 2011, AlexisWolf

With each of you there
(reserving the right to disagree later)

"How should we deal with anti-social behaviour?" - HYS:
Get rid of Labour's PC-handcuffed ASBO's - it was never allowed to be successful due to Labour's PC 'defence' of criminals and miscreants.

I'm convinced that the Coalitions new plans for these people - will work - simply because more responsibility will be forced on them.

However, there is one factor that ANY Government - hoping to improve anti-social behaviour - must ensure, and that is PARENTAL-responsibility. Until THAT is ensured - NOTHING will work...

How should we deal with anti-social behaviour?
By effectively dealing with the environments that cause it. But we all know that isn't going to happen, poor children from poor families stealing food from shops are thieves and should be punished, a short sharp shock is needed, lock them up for 3 to 6 mths and teach them how to hate for the rest of their lives, it is the backbone of the law and order industry.
But at least the five finger trigger method will inadvertently help bond communities when friends and neighbours need each other to report crime. I wonder who thought up that little gem - BT?

make the parents more responsible for their childrens behavious. If you say anything to them there stock answer is "it cannot be my children they would not do anything like that" even when the person who has told them can identify them. When you read of the ages of some of them wandering the streets late at night where are the parents surely they must know that they are out and about. Maybe curfews would be a better solution in areas that are badly hit. We know it is only a few that make it look bad for others but something has to be done.

How should we deal with anti-social behaviour?

Don't cut the police force for one...

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65. At 09:48am on 07 Feb 2011, Bauer wrote:

Bring back the days of an officer being able to give one of these little scumbags a clip round the ear and send them off home.

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Is life really a Dickins novel for you?

WHO CARES ????.......not the POLICE, not the COURT or the PLOTICIANS.
Two weeks ago I phoned the police when three young men were vandalising a window in a block where I live. I explained to the receptionist what was happenning, taking about three minutes to do so. I said, "you better hurry as they are drifting away now". NO, they were only interested in my name, address, phone No or other means of contact. I gave the address of the crime location but not my own, and waited for them to arrive. Five hours later by mid-night NO POLICE had bothered to show up.
Two weeks on I'm still waiting. Just what sort of Police Force do we have in Britain today? Are they scared to go out to confront criminals? It would appear so, judging by their policy of doing RISK ASSESSMENT first before they send men out to investigate. I call it cowardice compared to what the ARMED FORCES are doing in battlefields. And when offenders are brought before the Court, the lenient sentences meted out are a complete joke, with the BEAKS blaming Guide Lines and Politicians blaming Singles mothers and members of the public in general. Are you surprised then to see crime figures increasing in areas where you live??

The act of a Christian wearing a cross at work was deemed anti social,yet in my local supermarket most of the check-outs are manned by people in muslim dress,muuslim of course being a religion and not a race.Why is this not also banned as being anti social?

52. At 09:29am on 07 Feb 2011, europhile wrote:

I reckon about 50% of UK population is Anti Social, so keep ASBO's.

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Where do you get figure from? Which half do you fall into?

35. At 09:07am on 07 Feb 2011, Flyingbeaver wrote:

I am an ex pat now living in Canada. Whenever I visit the UK I don't have to look too far to see examples of anti social behavior, a thing I am no longer used to in Canada. The Brits need to stop selling alcohol around the clock to these thugs. Courts need to take a much heavier approach to sentencing these offenders. The British police get no respect from these thugs, they know the police take a soft approach with them. My advice to Brit thugs is come to Canada, get drunk on our streets, abuse law abiding citizens, oh yes and then be faced with a police officer who has a loaded gun and an electric taser. Anti social behavior is not a regular sight on our streets. Look and learn UK, look and learn!

As an ex-pat Canadian living in the UK, I wonder where you live? I just have to say your comment is overly simplistic and untrue. There is plenty of anti-social behaviour in Canada - perhaps you are lucky and wealthy enough to avoid it.

Boot camps, as tough as we can make them.

40. At 09:10am on 07 Feb 2011, paulmerhaba wrote:
23. At 08:53am on 07 Feb 2011, Total Mass Retain wrote:
7. At 08:40am on 07 Feb 2011, Dr Prod wrote:
I believe that ASB is the result of years of anti family legislation. From the discouragement of marriage through the tax and benefit system through to the legislation preventing proper censure of children and beyond, successive Governments, with the guiding hand of the EU courts, have ensured that fecklessness and the 'rights' culture have triumphed over good education, good behaviour, hard work and the nuclear family.

The "EU Court" has nothing whatsoever to do with family policies in this country. The EU court enforces the EU single market legislation. I suspect you mean the European Court of Human Rights that has nothing whatsoever to do with the EU. I really wish the anti-EU people on here would get these very basic and simple facts right so you know what windmill you really are tilting at.

However, let's argue that the ECHR has affected family life in this country. There are 46 other states that are signatories to the European Convention on Human Rights and are subject to the European Court of Human Rights. How come they don't seem to have had the same breakdown in behaviour that we allegedly have seen in the UK if they are subject to exactly the same Human Rights laws as the UK?

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You sure?

https://bbc.kongjiang.org/www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12378558


Well, we can all find examples to support a contrary position if we wish to!

65. At 09:48am on 07 Feb 2011, Bauer wrote:
Bring back the days of an officer being able to give one of these little scumbags a clip round the ear and send them off home.
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I truly pity your children, if you haven't got any yet don't!

The Tory approach to life - destroy jobs, price education out of the reach of the poor, close libraries, push the NHS into private hands, force down wages, increase taxes, sell off our forests, sell off school playing fields, close public swimming pools and leisure facilities, decimate the volunatary sector (include CABs, Adult Education services etc).

And when they have done all that - walk away from it - and say its all down to personal responsibility. Years down the line when the huge social problems emerge as a result of these policies all they can offer is to birch or imprison - absolutely moronic stupidity.

How's about 10,190 big burly coppers back on the beat. That should for starters.

Sadly, it's tinkering with the problem again.

I suggest compulsory community service for offenders. It would also help if these errant kids were able to access a proper diet. It's a known fact that young offenders improve when given proper nutrition, such as Omega 3 essential fatty acids.
Brought up on pizza and fizzy drinks , is it any wonder they get wild?

It doesn't matter what you do (ASBO's, confiscation etc) because nothing deters the type of youths that are the cause of anti-social behaviour. They are immune to discipline and morals, does this stem from a bad upbringing?? I have experienced anti-social behaviour and nothing that the local authority, or police, put in place actually worked. The offenders found it funny and an ASBO was like their Oscar for worst behaviour.

The government need to look at these youths family enviroment. I bet that a majority come from parents who are also immune to discipline and morals. To stop a flood you must fix the source of the leak. Children are not raised with the same ethics and ambition nowadays. Many children are parents at a young age and have no guidance to help them.

75. At 10:07am on 07 Feb 2011, Joe wrote:
65. At 09:48am on 07 Feb 2011, Bauer wrote:

Bring back the days of an officer being able to give one of these little scumbags a clip round the ear and send them off home.

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Is life really a Dickins novel for you?

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If the middele classes ventured out of their cosy areas they would find a lot of people have to live in social conditions that would not be out of place in a dickins novel. how many gangs of drunk, drugged teenagers do the middle classes see hanging about outside their houses when they go out

12 month curfew. Only allowed between the hours of 08.00 and 16.00.
Chain gangs - fix all the roads.

A nation scared of children and the result is the asbo
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No it is a result of too much 24 hour a day media demonising kids for doing things that kids have always done!

"The coalition also plans to compel police to probe incidences that are reported by at least five people - known as the "community trigger"."

I would guess that they are introducing something that happens anyway. Then claiming it as an 'initiative'. The idea that they wouldn't probe incidences reported by 5 people is possibly quite insulting to the police. They won't be so insulting to the Group 4 or Securicor police(depending on which force provides the best value for money) when they are introduced.

Isn't that what the police are there for, keeping law and order? If the police spent less time hiding round corners with radar guns trying to catch unsuspecting motorists for speeding, they would have the resources to catch the idiots who making other peoples lives hell. It's not as if they don't know who the people are, they probably cause their nuisance behaviour (which is often damaging peoples property)in the same areas day in day out. If the police can't or won't do their job properly, then the door is left wide open for vigilanty groups to do their job for them. That then poses the question, will those vigilanty groups get part of the council tax that we pay for the police service that we don't get?

#69 - haynonymouse - trying to hide a wry grin here - eh, it ain't working though :)

I agree with bobbies giving troublesome brats a clip round the ear, parents exercising more responsibility for their naughty offspring (though I suspect too many are busy on their mobile phones to even bother), a network of borstels and conscription. Criminals charged with more serious crimes, especially murder, should be locked up, without inflicting the law-abiding society with their paroled presence, brandishing their Diplomas of Criminality. But with government enforced reductions in police forces and forensic services - they are handing the safety of neighbourhoods straight into the hands of decent living folk.

Cutting Police Officer and PCSO numbers by 40,000 over the next 4 years is probably not the best way to start!

However I am sure that Lord Snooty and his public school posse will still have their close protection officers so that's all right then.

Remember we are all in this together,but if you keep swimming you might just keep your head above it!

Roll on 2015

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They are going to become the Tories henchmen.

Why bother.

The local police never do anything about the local career scum so our Beloved Regime can make plans till blue in the face, they will never be implemented in reality.

77. At 10:08am on 07 Feb 2011, mac wrote:
The act of a Christian wearing a cross at work was deemed anti social,yet in my local supermarket most of the check-outs are manned by people in muslim dress,muuslim of course being a religion and not a race.Why is this not also banned as being anti social?

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Ive never seen one story of a muslim objecting to anyone wearing a cross at work but Ive seen a lot stories of PC obsessed busybodies complaining when they are not asked to.

At 10:15am on 07 Feb 2011, moreram wrote:
65. At 09:48am on 07 Feb 2011, Bauer wrote:
Bring back the days of an officer being able to give one of these little scumbags a clip round the ear and send them off home.
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I truly pity your children, if you haven't got any yet don't!

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I was a child brought up in the era when the police were allowed to do that and, all I can say is, that it worked. It certainly did me, or any of my friends who are still living, no harm whatsoever. So, I certainly do not need your pity!!

re-introduce the call up

6 weeks training and arm them with high powered weapons

76. At 10:07am on 07 Feb 2011, matt-stone wrote:

WHO CARES ????.......not the POLICE, not the COURT or the PLOTICIANS.
Two weeks ago I phoned the police when three young men were vandalising a window in a block where I live. I explained to the receptionist what was happenning, taking about three minutes to do so. I said, "you better hurry as they are drifting away now". NO, they were only interested in my name, address, phone No or other means of contact. I gave the address of the crime location but not my own, and waited for them to arrive. Five hours later by mid-night NO POLICE had bothered to show up.
Two weeks on I'm still waiting. Just what sort of Police Force do we have in Britain today? Are they scared to go out to confront criminals? It would appear so, judging by their policy of doing RISK ASSESSMENT first before they send men out to investigate. I call it cowardice compared to what the ARMED FORCES are doing in battlefields. And when offenders are brought before the Court, the lenient sentences meted out are a complete joke, with the BEAKS blaming Guide Lines and Politicians blaming Singles mothers and members of the public in general. Are you surprised then to see crime figures increasing in areas where you live??
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Crime is directly related to poverty and inequality, eradicate (or drastically reduce) poverty and inequality and there will be no property crime. See the Merva-Fowles study. The unfortunate fact is our monetary based economy needs a large pool of poor people ready to do almost any job for minimum wage, while the incredibly rich bankers and their like don't see a problem from their penthouse apartments overlooking Canary Wharf. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1781069/plotsummary