Jarno Trulli - classic F1

Outstanding choices. This will really whet everyones appetite for the coming weekends grand prix. Thanks Jarno and everyone at the BBC.

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Nice choices Jarno, and a reminder of what a great sport F1 is. It's just a shame that we won't get to watch it now if the disgusting BBC/Sky F1 deal goes through.

BBC sports blog editor, the 2010 extended highlights link doesn't work (404 not found).

Can you fix this....or do I need a Sky subscription to see it?

So, you won't let the drivers have a random, entirely different than usual 6th choice, but you'll happily put your own 6th option in that wasn't asked for? Oh well...

Some nice choices, there, though. In before all the pointless Sky rants.... ;)

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@5... they regularly have a highlight video of the upcomming race... in this case, the italian gp at monza

not going to get embroiled in an "anti bbc debate"... its boring now

@7 So, any criticism of the BBC and its "anti" now, is it? No, many fans of the BBC think they have made, at the very least, a bad mistake. I'm one of them. Don't you dare try to characterise us as "anti BBC" as a substitute for coherent debate.

@7 Won't be such a boring subject next season when you only get to see 1/2 of the season live FTA on the BBC or are you one of those that thinks it is OK as you have Sky anyway.

This is still an active issue for a LOT of us BBC F1 Fans, the BBC have got to the point where they have fantastic award winning formula with high viewing figures and then give it away to Sky and try to sell it to us as a great deal (note to BBC we'll decide if this is a good deal for us).

Great to see that in the lead up to the Italian GP that the BBC have given Jarno the opportunity to choose his favourites.

Shame that unless the BBC show all the races next season in full and unedited we wont know if it really a new classic race, or just a bit of spin attempting to improve record low ratings for F1.

Will next season be "Formula 0.5", as we'll only be able to see half of it?

bitch bitch bitch bitch SKY bitch bitch bitch BBC bitch bitch bitch highlights???? bitch bitch bitch. Sorry, I just want to fit in here...

@7 sorry mate don't want to pick on you but don't you think there was a room full of people banking that people would kick up a stink for a while but soon get bored and move on to something else when sigining off on this deal.
I have SKY, won't have to pay an extra penny, but it makes my blood boil to think that the one media organisation that is supposedly paid for and made for the people of the country have been sold down the river so Murdoch can get his mits on one of the few remainig free to air sports and the BBC don't have to deal with the embarrasing headlines they had when ITV poached F1 from them.
Some nice choices from Jarno, I think this will be the 1st time I've seen his win since the day.

can we just have a rule, where we will ASSUME you're all annoyed about the bbc deal, and this can just be for talking about f1? Most of you are saying that there's no way youll watch next year (massive fans obviously, and the removal of your buying power will be a huge loss to the sport) so get it in while you can and stop whining.

the bbc should pull out of f1 altogether and save even more money and leave a forum up regarding the issue so us fans can rant to our hearts content without having to do it every other week over a drivers classic races

how do I watch Monaco 04, i can't see a hyperlink...

"extended highlights" I really can't stand them 2 words now!

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Here's the cold, clinical truth of the matter: If you can't afford SKY then you're of no loss to F1's current business model anyway, and if you could possibly find a way to buy SKY but don't then you're no loss as a fan.

LOL. You've just linked to RED TOP newspaper website. Of course, believe every word as if it's gospel.

Anyways ... back to the F1. Great selection from Trulli, shame about all the TROLL comments about next seasons coverage underneath though, I'm also annoyed, but I have the insight to realise that the deal is done, it's out of my hands and going on the internet and acting like a spoilt child on Andrew Bensons blog is going to get me nowhere.

Jarno - hopefully you are reading all these feedback posts of your choices and realise FOM/BBC/Sky have ruined the very fan base you are presenting. Sorry. Can't let this lie.

I love it when someone disagrees about something they are labelled as 'whingers' and 'moaners' and eventually ignored because it irritates them. Makes me laugh...

real fans want the best coverage possibly imo, and 50/50 SKY & BBC leads to better coverage the C4 F1 with Ortis Deeley would. "It's been a sunny race here in... Singapore... Rubens Barrichello... goodnight"

Firstly, I am also against the BBC's actions and, whilst I will make the best of it whilst not subscribing to Sky I will continue to support any action that may result in the deal benig reversed.

Secondly, on topic..! Some great choices by Jarno. That Monaco win was a fantastic one (slightly tempered for me by virtue of being a Jenson follower) and the other choices just show that, on his day, he can be a match for anyone. I do hope that he gets that Lotus more to his liking, as time is not on his side.

@20 Dave
try this link then:
https://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/94168

who's laughing now...

The point is, F1 is supposed to be 'free' for all to see on terrestial TV channels. This Sky deal means it's not. Surely the BBC is breaking some law here???

@21, people are labelled as moaners because they disagree, they're labelled as moaners when they take every opportunity to pointlessly and endlessly moan

@26

I suppose that's exactly what you are doing. Moaning about those who disagree...

The 'extended Highlights' aren't very extensive are they.

Livelylefty, let me get this straight. Because I can't afford an extra £600 pounds a year for Sky then I am have no loss to F1.
I travel to 2 grand prix every season. Silverstone and Spa. both cost me upward of £300 pound per race. Plus merchandise I purchase which goes to the teams.
How am I not part of F1's business model.
Are you saying I should sacrifice the thrill being at the event in order to line Rupert Murdochs pocket.
Do one!

The BBC/Sky deal has ruined F1 for many people. I actually have Sky, but the decision by the BBC to greatly scale back one of their best programmes reeks of sheer ignorance.

Whilst trash such as Strictly Come Dancing and anything on BBC3 continue to get shown, and people like Alan Shearer get paid crazy wages to bore viewers to death, the BBC decide that the program that should make way for all this is one that has been increasing in viewership, and one that's been recognised as being something exceptional in every way.

And the fact that the BBC have continued to ignore complaints, and won't address any of them in any kind of statement or discussion at all... I genuinely think that the issue of whether we should be forced to pay for a TV licence should be addressed, since this corporation no longer cares what its paying public thinks.

And decent choices by Jarno. But I won't be watching him race next year. And to be honest, if someone's bought Sky to watch half of the races, then they'll almost certainly watch all of the races on Sky. No need for the Beeb to show anything really.

This quote from Don Foster MP, the Liberal Democrat spokesman for Culture, Media and Sport sums the up this whole farce perfectly:

"I also have to question whether it is a good deal for licence fee payers. They are getting half of what they got before, although the BBC argue at a third of the cost. But if you are an F1 fan and want to see all F1, you have no choice but to get the whole of Sky - so you are not benefitting at all. It is a very, very poor deal."

@29 Cronnie

Looks like Livelylefty doesn't understand what a true F1 fan is. I too have been to the British Grand Prix's, I too am donned in merchandise bought from these events.

Thing is, I CAN AFFORD Sky, but I refuse to have it. Moreso after the scandals on the phone-hacking against deceased Joe Publuc. So its not strictly all about cost for some, its can be plain as ethics.

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@ livelylefty

Not everyone is ALLOWED to have a sky dish on the side of their house, your comments about the cost of sky are irrelevant to us, we can easily afford it and were not complain about the cost, but about the availabilty of a signal that can be recived by a terristrial aerial.

If Sky really want to expand their subscription base they should start lobbying parliment for a change of law regarding the placment of satellite dish on listed building in conservation areas.

We will continue to campaign for full FTA coverage until the start of the next season, the first time highlights only are available will be the time we drop F1 (and in my case all tv, as i only watch F1) until it returns unedited and uncut to a terristrial channel.

Wow, Andrew Benson really does get the cream of the underclass crop on his comments page week in-week out, because seriously kiddies, complaining about something you have no control over on a comments section for a blog relating to the sport, but not to the matter!?

Trolls.

I was hoping Trulli would pick the German GP where he led the race in a Prost (maybe '97?), which was the first time he looked really capable of great things. Nonetheless, an interesting little selection.

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@Dave - this is what happens when people are ignored, if you want to complain to someone why don't you tell the Beeb to answer our questions & explain why this is a good deal?

@livelylefty
You clearly already own Sky so you cannot view from our perspective. What annoys me are three things (most likely more)

1) The BBC's god awful response to the deal


2) The poor excuse for competition in the sports broadcasting market. Sky dominate. Pay TV dominates. People are NOT going to pay for Sky to watch 10 bloody races. This need be more equal than what it is.

3) What the hell happened to the Concorde Agreement?

Sky are good at what they do, believe me I hate to say that but the market is not fair. This is where my inner commie speaks out...

@35 Dave

Interesting no mention of red tops now that you have been given a Autosport link. Very amusing. In fact, reminds me of the elephant on a race weekend with the BBC F1 team... yes indeed, very amusing.

Interesting choices from Truli. Not the same 2008 Brazil Grand Prix rubbish. I have to agree with f1316, surprised he did not go for that race.

Week in week out all the whingers do is annoy more people and get more people OFF your side. You need to realise that not many people actually care!! look at your little petition, it has about 25,000 sign ups.... That's rubbish. This weekend MILLIONS actually MILLIONS with watch the Monza GP - of these MILLIONS 25,000 actually care about deal. MOVE ON

@35 Dave, the blog relating to this issue was closed weeks ago with over 8000 comments. If you have followed the story for the last 5 weeks then you will know why we are on each and every BBC F1 blog trying to get answers from the BBC.

Whether or not we have control over it is out to debate. Our letters to MP's and the Culture for Media and Sport have resulted in the BBC facing questions on the legitimacy of the deal in front of a select committee. That wouldn't have come about without our actions.

I understand it’s very difficult now for people to see the full picture what with the BBC’s efforts to bury the story, but when you look into Bernies original comments that Sky would be suicide, The Concorde Agreement, contradictory comments by the BBC and Bernie pointing the finger at each other, the timing of the announcement and subsequent silence, and the moral/ethical issues involved, it would take a very unusual type of F1 ‘fan’ to continue to support the deal.

*culture secretary

Another thing to add - what if Sky make you pay extra for the actual race ontop of your Sky subscription?

I can just see it, FP1, FP2, FP3, Qualifiers all on Sky Sports subs to tantalise you and then if you want to watch the GP on Sunday, whoop bang, an extra fee please!!

Yes I can just see that happening then those who think this is not an issue worth fighting for will start to feel the grief!

@ Dave

Untill the BBC address our questions we have every right to continue the fight to have all the non live races in full and unedited on terristrial tv, giving up isnt something in our lexicon.

If your unhappy about this may i suggest you complain to the BBC asking them to deal with our concerns.

Some good choices there from Jarno.

I might be able to afford the Sky subscription next year, if I -
cancel my Vodafone contract, stop smoking Malboro cigs, refrain from drinking Kingfisher lager and Red Bull energy drinks and, finally, spend all the cash I currently have in my Santander bank account and all the investments I have with ING.

I think I'll have enough after all that but would welcome further suggestions ;)

@45 - what like we pay extra for ESPN or for a big boxing fight... if that did happen i would probably either pay for it, or go to the pub... both better than standing on box crying about it!

@ all the pro bbc trolls as long as we are not off topic (as we are the anti bbc trolls:))and do not break house rules I cant see a problem.(dont like it dont read it).

Jarno a good driver pity he never had a great car under him will be nice to see his win again:).

@42 janner might be millions this year next year might only be 25000 you like me are funding this mess you might be happy with it Im not so I wont be moving on thanks all the same:)

Good choices Jarno! I'm looking forward to watching you progress with Lotus in coming seasons, though it's a pity I won't be able to thanks to the BBC ignoring viewers and dropping its public services responsibilities.

@ livelylefty - how on earth can this be a good deal for F1 fans? If the BBC hadn't
got into bed with BSkyB the deal couldn't have gone ahead at all! And for the
record I am never going to give the Murdochs any of my money ever, we all know why (moderated version).

@Dave.

I'm not entirely sure that you understand where we are coming from. If everything of interest that you were saying was being censored, I'm sure that you would feel exactly the same.

Constructive points are welcomed by anyone, but childish snipes at people with a valid contribution to make, conveys the image of you being of a very juvenile demeanour.

The "I'm alright Jack" crew, starring

LivelyLefty
Janner
Dave
Sturogers

Who are you to tell anyone on this blog whether they are a proper F1 fan or not. Not doubt you are the same sort of people who say you can't be a proper football fan unless you watch your team regularly at their ground. Utter rubbish. Some people love their sport but either can't watch it because of geographic location or can't afford to watch it. Obviously you lot have no problem affording sky which is no bad thing but please remember some people are not as fortunate as you and the last thing they need is someone rubbing their face in it. Capiche?

They (the BBC and it's presenters) must be scratching their heads to know what subject to blog about.
You are now scrapping the bottom of the barrel with this latest blog called "Jarno Trulli - classic F1".
The HERD of white elephants is getting closer.

Come on you fans keep on subject... return F1 free-to-air.

https://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/57

@42 Janner. 800 people complained on a radio show where 640,000 listened to Jonathan Ross and Russel brand took the mic out of Andrew Sachs.
Those 800 people effectively got Jonathan Ross and Russel Brand suspended. The percentages between the 25000 and 800 people in comparison to the listening and viewing figures is very similar so why on earth can 25,000 people not be a voice against this.
Move on I think was your phrase!

What about all the many many people who pay for a TV licence, but couldn't give two hoots about F1 - should their opinions be counted??? They obviously won't be on this blog to add a contribution, but do you think if the BBC did a national poll, to see what the TV licence money was spent on, F1 would be top of the list???

Bottom line is - the same small minority of people, thinking soley of themselves, are moaning because things aren't going there way!!

@48 janner

Feel better now.

@55 - Do you think 640,000 are reading this blog...

I think we maybe talking about two slightly different things here...

Also I feel it's only right to remind everyone that as the BBC has around 30 percent of the audience share for F1 the fans that are going to lose out all over the world probably do hold real power, if viewing figures drop & people don't buy sponsors products there are going to be a lot of unhappy people...

6.4 million would think so.
As would 8 million Eastenders viewers.
Your argument is flawed. Ask 65,000,000 people what the want to watch you will get pockets of 6 million want this, 8 million want that, 3 million want that. Ergo your argument doesn't stand out as no programme will ever win a majority.
Eastenders will get the highest vote so by your logic we'll be watching Eastenders 24/7.

@56 janner.

I would have to disagree with your post @56. It really isn't about people having things their own way. It is about the censorship of valid contributions, and being met with silence from a public broadcaster.

These are bigger issues that you seem to be able to get your head around.

@58 Janner
No, 25,000,000 are. Hence the petetion figures. Hence the 10,000 individual complaints on Ben Gallops blog. The point I made was 800 complained about a show where 640,000 listened. 25,000 have complained about the new F1 deal where an average of 6.4 million watch. The percentage of complaint is very similar. The 800 radio listeners got their way, so why can't we. What is the harm in trying.

Thanks Mr Trulli - btw do you mind asking the BBC why they are acting all leftfield and liberal when in reality they are employing some of the same tricks of the goverments they cover in the news

I'm looking forward to Monza. The GP is more than just a race in our household - we go out of our way to watch the races as we've always done in the past 20 years.

What a great way to spend a lazy Sunday! Thanks BBC... you know the rest.

LivelyLefty
Janner
Dave
Sturogers
et al

I don't really see the point of your comments, you all think the deal is fine, well good for you, we don't & we're never going to stop telling the world how we feel, reading your comments I'm not sure you would ever have empathy for anyone you didn't agree with which is rather sad.

@ all the i hate Janner folk.

60 - yes that is my point, everybody wants to watch a selection of things on telly - therefore why not share it out (i.e show HALF)

61 - it is - you people think that BBC didn't let C4 have it (which maybe true, i don't know) but what about all the C4 viewers who watch Horse racing from 1pm - 4pm every saturday. Would that be moved for Qualifying?? Then these people would moan and make a little petition...

So what's the sensible thing to do.... Oh yeah move the SPORT to a SPORTS channel, showing SPORT for SPORTS fans!!!!

@ The "I'm alright Jack" crew.

We have been asking for answers for 6 weeks now and have been met with a great wall of silence. We get news that there is "full" deferred races and then "highlights only" - non of which have come from the BBC.

Why pay a subscription to Sky for just 10 races? Why does the BBC bother showing the other half, certianly not in the best interest of the fans, and why have they not been shouting about this deal from the rooftops to all and sundry?

Note that F1 on BBC pulls in 6 million viewers while Sky has only 2 million Sky Sports subscribers - are the other 4 million fans, from the BBC, suddenly going to go out and subscribe?

As for us not being proper F1 fans then may I point out that we have been keeping on the blogs and are working on getting answers and some sort of resolution - now that's being a fan.

Anyone tried Jarno's wine?

66.At 11:39 7th Sep 2011, janner - I only watch F1 so why would I want a sports package?!

So that you can watch F1...

Stupid question get's a stupid answer as they say

@66 janner

I don't hate you. Hate is a very strong word and I do not hate.

Now I believe @49 ferrari35 makes an excellent point which I feel you ought to go back and acquaint yourself to. Which is, 'if you don't like it, don't read it'.

Clearly pro-F1 fans have added a subject that you have freely posted about. That is your right. Just like the right we F1 fans have to post our comments. Now if your sole purpose is to just demean and criticise then I'm afraid I can't help you. Just move along and read the Trulli topic and immerse yourself in that fantasy world. That might make you feel better. having said that, we're not going away... we'll continue and we'll carry on soldiering until we have our questions answered.

Okay? No move along , nothing to see here...

@65 - you already pay your license fee, and the BBC have spent your money on a contract to show F1 until 2013.

There should be no reason for you to buy a sports channel for half a sport.

Except the BBC renaged on that contract and invited Sky in to block another FTA channel from getting the coverage.

@Janner etc, keep your comments coming, it's always good to hear both sides of an argument when it's constructive, and when both parties listen and contribute.

Exactly right... Nothing to see here - same old moan after same old moan.

Morning all....

@56 that is one of our points - this has been put out there as the best deal for the license fee payers we want to know the logic behind that - the F1 fans either have to pay out another £600 + the license fee each year for 8 years and the non F1 fans have their license fee spent on F1 for 8 years instead of the 1 or 2 seasons that were left on the origional contract. Yes we love F1 on the BBC - the best coverage we have ever had - but we don't want half a season how is that any good for anyone or good value for anyone? There are many ways round it and I will be using those to watch the races next year along with 5live commentary.

Nice choices Jarno, hope the power steering is fixed for this weekend. Shame you have all worked so hard to bring Lotus back to us and so many people will now not bring the next generation of fans along with them.

@72 janner

Your point has been noted, read and digested. But the conclusion I have come to is that your comments are regurgitations of your original post. Therefore, after the first comment you made, the rest have no substance.

Great c ces by arno. Rea ed s c es.

Sorry. Only had half a keyboard. Went out and bought another keyboard but it did'nt feel very comfortable so I ended up chopping my old keyboard in half, along with the new one, and stuck both parts together. So far, I've paid for two keyboards, and ended up with one very messy very expensive one, but hey, it does the job so its a great deal for me.

@75.

Brilliant, and I'm sure one of the selling tools was that it was in your best interests.

@66 Janner

What a great idea, move it to a sports channel for sports fans.

Yes couldn’t agree more. Turn BBC4 into a sports channel keep F1 free to air for everyone to enjoy not just an elite.
More viewers equals greater brand awareness for sponsors maybe they can then pay the BBC in these hard times?

If you don’t like people complaining then I suggest you stop complaining and let the rest of us try and save a sport we all love for disappearing.

Sorry back to the topic of this blog, I wouldn’t want to go off topic and talk about the appalling way the BBC have handled this whole sorry situation.

Great choices Jarno.

@75 Barbara Slater rang, she finds your new keyboard "absolutely delightful"

@75 Riggadon

Best comment on this blog to date!

@75 Brilliant analogy. Oh I laughed at that.

Maybe I'm having a bad brain day but I only see four choices from Jarno. I thought the drivers got to pick five races. May the fifth choice was snapped up by Sky. ;-)

It's also clear that Jarno's choices are a big pat on his own back. Puts the selection of only four GPs into a new light - he couldn't even find five classic moments from his own career. Just as well he has his own wine business then.

@73 very good points, why is this a good deal for anyone? If you don't like F1 you're paying for it, if you do you have to buy Sky anyway or use a work around, what a waste of money!

A good selection here! Looking forward to this weekend's race.

Making the most of the last season of freedom. Shame about the Sky move, BBC coverage has been great.

Judging by the responses to '75 comment', the sort of people making these anti-BBC comments have just become more understandable... oh dear!

56. At 11:24 7th Sep 2011, janner wrote:

What about all the many many people who pay for a TV licence, but couldn't give two hoots about F1 - should their opinions be counted??? They obviously won't be on this blog to add a contribution, but do you think if the BBC did a national poll, to see what the TV licence money was spent on, F1 would be top of the list???

Bottom line is - the same small minority of people, thinking soley of themselves, are moaning because things aren't going there way!!

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janner, if the BBC did a poll and F1 wasnt top of the list, the BBC could have withdrawn from bidding for a new contract and allowed one of the other free to air tv stations to take over.

But instead of pulling out, which only harms them, they harmed the multi million viewer fanbase they currently get, by splitting their deal with Sky. Now nobody wins, except Sky.

So the small minority of 10% of this country's population (6 million people, just in case you think thats a small percentage) are not fighting to keep what they have, they are fighting against having to line Rupert Murdochs pockets to follow their sport because the BBC werent interested in bowing out gracefully.

Just interesting to see that Freesat now hes 2000000 household out there in only two years and a large amount of those are ex Sky subscribers. Freesat is growinbg twice as fast ast Sky now.

https://www.joinfreesat.co.uk/index.php/freesat-surges-ahead-with-2-million-sales?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+joinfreesat+%28Join+Freesat%29&utm_content=Google+UK

@84

Me too. Witty people with valid contributions.

@84 Can't you read? These comments aren't anti-BBC, they are questioning the logic of this particular deal, we are entitled to an explanation which we haven't received. It no wonder everyone is so dismayed.

72.At 11:54 7th Sep 2011, janner wrote:
Exactly right... Nothing to see here - same old moan after same old moan.


janner your moaning about people moaning I fail to see how this can be on topic please try to stay on topic:)

I did not know Jarno made his own Ill have to look out for that thanks for the heads up:)

I do understand the frustration due to a BBC decision that at best could be described as 'poorly communicated', but this is the world in which we live in and no amount of complaining is going to change.

The fact is that the BBC do give fantastic coverage of F1, I really enjoy the pundits, Jake does a great job, Eddie is well...Eddie, and Martin and David are a brilliant partnership in the commentary box. I love the fact that there are no adverts, I love the qually programme and the red button, i love it all, its fantastic.

BUT, and its a big but, F1 has now become a huge commercial animal, pretty much like all sports. In the main this is because of money and the TV rights it can generate, just look at the way football has gone since 1992 and the inception of the Premier League. The BBC being funded purely by the licence fee does not have the financial clout to be able to compete with commercial organisations. The options to change that are to massively increase the licence fee (which would then basically be another version of Sky or Virgin monthly pay tv) or to have government subsidies (which would marginalise the 'independent' news coverage).

Concord agreements and any other laws or government guidance on what should remain on free to air TV, the so called crown jewels mean nothing if someone can buy you off, simple market forces – EVERYONE has their price. I’m not saying this is right or wrong, its just life and we cant change it.

I have Sky, because it allows me to watch my favourite programmes, including sports coverage. Am I happy to pay £50 per month for the privilege? No – but I recognise that without it I miss out. As much as you can say that people power would dictate that if we all boycotted Sky they would have no business model and we would go back to the old world then its not practical. (a) it wouldn’t happen as we are British and not French, and (b) what we would find is our favourite programmes would get cancelled as there was no money to pay for them and our sports would dissolve as they would have no money to bank roll them – imagine what would happen to the Premier League clubs if their £100m per year was taken away.

My concern is not that F1 has moved to Sky, but that its coverage on the BBC is so good that how can it get better? Maybe we should be optimistic, look at Football and Cricket and how far Sky have moved on the coverage of those sports compared to when they used to be on the BBC. Lets hope they can do t

@86 - is that a serious comment?? Are you aware that the UK has/currently is turning digital - Therefore if want to watch telly you will need 'FreeSat', this may be a reason for the sudden increase...

@ 86 - hit_the_sponsors

As mentioned in another article Freesat have no way of determining whether or not every household that has FreeSAT actually use it. I have a TV with built in Freesat (HD infact) yet I don't use it. It's just the basic DAB service for me.

Therefore the figures for Freesat and Sky are not mutually exclusive. There will be people who subscribe to Sky while owning a TV with Freesat. It doesn't mean they are only using one or the other. They could be using both or neither.

My concern is not that F1 has moved to Sky, but that its coverage on the BBC is so good that how can it get better? Maybe we should be optimistic, look at Football and Cricket and how far Sky have moved on the coverage of those sports compared to when they used to be on the BBC. Lets hope they can do the same to F1, im sure they have plenty of ideas of how to add to our viewing experience. I honestly hope that they can poach Martin and David from the commentary box, you get used to hearing the voices and without them its not the same (Just like when Murray retired).

All good things come to an end, and this is, at the moment the beginning of the end of F1 on the BBC.

PEOPLE...

There are a small minority of people out there that are objectionable and pedantic, and take great pleasure in causing unrest.

These people need to be taken with a pinch of salt as their motivation is to compensate for a much deeper rooted problem.

I don't need to mention any names, but it rhymes with spanner

Janner, as I said @71 "@Janner etc, keep your comments coming, it's always good to hear both sides of an argument when it's constructive, and when both parties listen and contribute."

You're making it very difficult to construct a valid dialogue with you that all can contribute to.

People have followed up your points, and provided good arguments. For example the argument that the BBC's actions result in a bad deal for both the F1 fan (we have to pay for Sky to get a full season live), and the non-F1 fan (they still have to pay the license fee for half a sport they don't like, and it's no cheaper).

We understand that you don't really care about the Sky F1 deal. A lot of people do care about it, so why try to hound them just because their opinion is different to yours?

If it's because you think we are posting in the wrong place, then I would suggest you join us in inviting the BBC to re-open Ben Gallops blog so that we can discuss in the correct forum, but alas we already know your response from the Sergio Perez blog:

"74.
At 14:41 24th Aug 2011, janner wrote:

Dear BBC, please do NOT re-open Ben Gallops blog.

The whinging and moaning is bad enough, let not encourage these people by giving them an area to go and moan."

So to summarise your opinion Janner, it is that we "put up, shut up and go away". Thank you, we have all taken that on board, but as the BBC is a public service broadcaster, that we pay for, and they are wrongly claiming that their actions are in our best interests, we have every right to voice our concerns whenever and however we would like to.

I rather feel the cleverness of comment 75 has escaped certain posters on here. For those who think that this is just people moaning about F1 the analogy of 75 should make it crystal clear that it is the decision itself that is just wrong on so many levels.

I want to know why *my* money (TV license) is being given to Sky.
I want to know why an organisation which I fund refuses to respond to thousands of complaints and requests for information from their major stakeholders, the people whose money ensures their very existence.

I do have a basic Sky package for reasons other than I watching TV (something that happens very rarely), the vast majority of the time which is on the terrestrial channels unless I wish to watch something like Discovery, NatGeo or History Channels.

This is *not* and never has been about Sky themselves this is about a quite possibly illegal deal initiated by the BBC against the very fundamental basis of their charter to us the paying public and their continued refusal to justify their actions.

Take care

TMF

@84 - we are not by in all ''anti-BBC''. A lot of us, if you bothered to get to know us through these blogs, are in fact very pro BBC and stood up for, what we believed were it's morals and championing of free speach. That is the reason we have been so dissapointed not only with the origional announcement but with the way the issue has been dealt with since, both from a commercial and customer service point of view.

I used to trust the BBC and enjoy many aspects of what they offer, but everything is now viewed a little more jadedly (may just have made that word up??).

I am pleased for you that you are happy sat on high watching down over us mere mortals being 'that sort of people' and I wish you a long and happy time watching Sky destroy the greatest motorsport show on earth and encouraging people to bet on the priviledge.

Personally I am amazed that after 6 weeks of stone walling by all quarters there are still so many of us joined together in actively fighting our cause - for a country normally noted for it's apathy it is amazing. Slowly but surely the message is getting out and cracks are beginning to show and we will keep it up as we will not be beaten until we have answers.

@75

Brilliant!

Just paid my television licence costing a whopping £145.50 for the year.
Nice to know every penny is going to be spent on what I want to watch - yeah right!
The BBC must remember who funds the corporation because I rather think you have forgotten.
The silent treatment all British F1 fans have endured from the BBC is breathtaking and demonstrates complete ignorance and arrogance.
It's time Mark Gallop addressed the fans on the next F1 broadcast to explain himself as he is ultimately accountable, not just to the BBC, but the hard working British public who fund the corporation.
The treatment we, the fans, have received from the BBC is disgusting and its time the BBC grew a pair and confronted this issue.

Thank god for Veetle and any other TV player that you can use to watch SKY for Free via the Internet.