Has state multiculturalism failed?

Mr Cameron doesn't understand his own culture so how is he qualified to comment on multiculturalism.

More hot air without touching brain cells.

Multi-culturalism failed? Of course it has. Ask anyone who lives in a town or city whose way of life has been dramatically affected by this experiment. No doubt we'll get opposite views from those that live in parts of our country which have not been touched.
Maybe, one day, we'll find out whether that Labour adviser was right? Was it intended to rub the indigenous population's nose in multi-culturalism?

So Mr Powell was right all along...well well, how surprising is that ?

Within the UK we have no "Standard" to judge cultures against, every time we try to define what being British is vocal minorities from all religions and interest groups get a say far beyond the size of the community they represent. The majority is always right - they call it democracy.

If you don't like multicultural Britain then:

send the alphabet back to rome
send theorems of geometry back to greece
send tea back to india
paper back to egypt
most of our vocabulary back to rome/athens/france/germany
potatoes back to south america
most musical instruments and classical music back to where it came from
christianity back to the middle east

etc etc

Britain has been multicultural for hundreds if not thousands of years. In fact you probably can't even define "mono/multi culture"

Bring on the usual crowd...

Of course it failed.
Yes, immigrants when immigrants come they have their own culture and language and they would not change overnight, but if the children and grand children of immigrants still feel that the culture of the country is not their culture, it means that there is something wrong.
Mr Cameron only carefully voices something the majority of the population knew for a long time.

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Mr Cameron doesn't understand his own culture so how is he qualified to comment on multiculturalism.

More hot air without touching brain
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Anyone who lives in London is qualified- even Notting Hill!

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Cue the comments from the racist right wingers claiming multiculturalism has failed and that the UK should be a 'white only' zone.

Speaking as a British Asian who was born in this country, I say that multiculturalism works if immigrants are willing to put the effort into learning the language and ways of this country and fitting in well. It also benefits domestic folks in that it helps broaden their minds and gives the country more options in certain things (eg food etc). But lately I've been noticing a rise in right wing racist tendencies and it's got me worried.

It’s good to see a senior public future like the Prime Minister finally admit that multiculturalism has failed particularly when it comes to Muslims. The defensive response of Islamic spokesmen to the PM's remarks only serves to undermine the validity of his comments.

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Of course it has failed. Micro-management of people will always fail.

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How has it failed? Mosques' are in most citys in the u.k and Madress are opening all the time in the U.K. Britain is full of people from all parts of the old british empire most live in peace, except the few who have a hidden purpose .The british way of life will soon be a part of history?

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You only have to go to an England Pakistan cricket match to see its failed, young men of asian desent born in this country supporting Pakistan against their own country. My father was Italian but I was born in England and would never think of supporting Italy against my own country.

Am an Indian, & i believe Mr. Cameron is right. People should Integrate with their local community in the countries that they adopt or else, they should leave or has to be forced to leave.
Freedom doesn`t mean only rights, but also duties too. & the very basic duty being to integrate. You`ll find people protesting against Danish Cartoons all across europe, but none for the Blasphemy laws in Pakistan.
Time to Ponder what Mr. Cameron has got to say.

If you don't like multiculturalism, you can always change the channel

"Has state multiculturalism failed?"

It never left the starting block.

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What is working is Cameron dividing the country. Make us fight each other so we don't fight him / the government. Basic Macchiavelli.

, sick and tired of arrogant americans wrote:
Cue the comments from the racist right wingers claiming multiculturalism has failed and that the UK should be a 'white only' zone.

Speaking as a British Asian who was born in this country, I say that multiculturalism works if immigrants are willing to put the effort into learning the language and ways of this country and fitting in well. It also benefits domestic folks in that it helps broaden their minds and gives the country more options in certain things (eg food etc). But lately I've been noticing a rise in right wing racist tendencies and it's got me worried.

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Here we go again! Anyone who dares to complain about this is labelled "racist"

When were the British people ever asked whether they wanted mass immigration?

3. At 10:54am on 05 Feb 2011, Brian wrote:

So Mr Powell was right all along...well well, how surprising is that?

Well he isn't 'right' yet, although I am still unsure whether he will be proved right one day.

What Enoch Powell underestimated was the tolerance, patience, passivity and fairness of the British people; despite the protestations of the left wing and more extreme Muslims.

Have to say that our tolerance and patience has now been stretched so thin as to be within a whisker of breaking.

Merkel says jump, Cameron asks how high. What is it with that man and strong women? Thatcher, Merkel...

I wonder what Baroness Warsi thinks of the Prime Minister's speech?

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At 10:54am on 05 Feb 2011, Brian wrote:

So Mr Powell was right all along...well well, how surprising is that ?

I go along with Brian's comment and would add: Are our politicians at long long last waking-up to how things really are. Are they joining the valid comments made so well by the Australian PM on this subject? I certainly hope so, for I don't want to see True British Culture being ethnically cleansed to suit or appease the 'feelings' of immigrants.
My neighbour is welcome regardless of origin or religion, provided they accept they must conform to established laws and values of THIS country.

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We have absolutely failed. I am of an Asian origin, I feel we are more divided than ever before. The whole society needs to be more patriotic and be proud of being British, be it Hindu, Muslim, Christians or any other religious sects. Currently there are few who are far more segregated than others and a very small minority within those community brings down the whole community in name of religion. I am also a Londoner and live in part of London that makes up a fair share of more recent immigrants to the UK. I find these community to be even less willing to get to know people of other faiths and accept them as part of the whole community within they live.

Yes we have failed, though there is a far larger percentages of Asians who like myself who feel proud of being British, and at the same time feel proud of their roots, their religion, their mother tongue.

I also feel conservative party is a little hypocritical after speech of Lady Warsi just couple of weeks back.

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How has it failed? Mosques' are in most citys in the u.k and Madress are opening all the time in the U.K. Britain is full of people from all parts of the old british empire most live in peace, except the few who have a hidden purpose .The british way of life will soon be a part of history?
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When was Somalia part of the Empire, when was Algeria? I can go on.
In fact we're a soft touch for the rest of the world. They risk life and limb, travelling through numerous other countries, to get here.

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Extremists target and groom emotionally and psychologically vulnerable people, so a stronger sense of national identity will not turn those people away from committing these atrocities, it will only draw the country together in it's resolute defiance, which admittedly is no bad thing. All governments can do to tackle extremism is to continue the work of the intelligence services and try to nip it in the bud. If someone is caught clearly planning a terrorist act, why should they not be punished as if they had committed the act; there would be no point punishing them after as they would be dead along with scores of innocents.
Multiculturalism should mean the free intermingling of cultures whilst united under one law. The problem comes when cultures have different sets of values that are not necessarily compatible with the law or the values and traditions of the country they are residing in. With Islam, as with Christianity and Judaism, there is a wide range of interpretation and how orthodox followers of the religion are. There are some traditions in orthodox religions, such as the subjugation of women, which are incompatible with out laws and there does need to be a point where tolerance and respect for culture stops and the law becomes the moderator. Any person who wishes to live in a country, as Mr Cameron said, must understand they keys values of that country. It is, however, sad that Mr Cameron feels that he has to suggest that Muslim groups should actively denounce terrorism else they should receive no public money. Silence does not imply complicity or condoning. Obviously any Muslim group that condones or supports extremism should fall into that category, but that is the point that I think the Muslim Council of Britain is trying to make; Muslims should not be tarred with the same brush as extremists. Stronger national identity means referring to people as Britsh instead of Muslim or Christian. As we are all united under the laws of the country, it should be the thing that most connects us that defines us.

3. At 10:54am on 05 Feb 2011, Brian wrote:
So Mr Powell was right all along...well well, how surprising is that ?

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Why, what did he say? Because I suspect you just think you know what he said, whereas you actually don't.

Mr Cameron - I fail to see a significant difference between Islam and Islamism. And I have carefully studied Islam, so I am considering carefully what I am saying. It is time for all of us, and mainly the liberal elites in UK politics, intelligentsia and the media to talk straightforwardly and honestly about this subject.

Asserting a difference allows the causes of disengagement and social division to spread uncontrolllably, which lead to un-western(sorry, but you know what I mean) attitudes and behaviours.

Europeans have to understand that their continent is in a very dangerous state compared to all others. Out of the whole world, Europe faces the greatest and most serious problem, which, if they explode, can escalate to a third World War.

The Europeans are in a very unstable situation precisely because they decided to unite, but on the other hand their union is egoistic. If one egoist separates from another with a boundary, then they are still able to maintain a connection through that boundary according to set rules. But if there are no formal connections and everyone comes to the common market with a common economy, and with the huge problematic reserves that Europe possesses, then I don’t see it having any opportunity to exist and thrive in the world.

After all, how would that be possible? It would go against the laws of nature. Therefore, Europe will face increasingly more serious problems unless Europeans recognize that it is necessary to correct their ego. They have placed themselves in a situation where they simply have no other choice.

Yes,multiculturalism has failed.it was a doomed experiment from the start.why? simply because too much emphasis was placed on appeasing the minorities and not enough on the indigenous majority.
Our leaders have failed miserably to put in place the necessary safeguards to protect our own culture and beliefs.

Well, Mr. Cameron is right, & if you see youtube video`s of British Pakistani`s who are protesting against US/West in support of Mujahideen/Taliban of Pakistan, you will understand what he means. & yes, if such people dont adopt, they must be sent back.
I hope the moderator is secular enough to let me comment get posted.

David Cameron is 100% right. 'Multicultural Britain' is DIVIDED BRITAIN. Foreign political ideologies slip into the UK under the guise of being 'religions'. And as 'religions' they expect (and unfortunately GET) respect, appeasement, charitable status, schools to breed more of their kind, kangaroo courts to impose their superstitious laws - all covered by the euphemistic claim 'its our culture'. Ghettoes (mental and geographic) are infecting our society. Race does not divide; religion does. The strident voices of these groups should generate phobia (fear) - fear of our 'free country' becoming another third-world (very religious) country.

I think the vast majority of the people in the K wold agree with Mr Cameron.
We will have the minority, delusional leftist crying, but you only have to look at the getto's in some towns and citys in the UK.
If many dont like it here,hate our culture or do not want to intergrate, why did they come here?

11. At 10:58am on 05 Feb 2011, pogo50 wrote:

But the Muslim Council of Britain said its community was being seen as part of the problem rather than the solution.

Until we hear of groups of radical Sikhs, or extreme Buddhists etc detonating themselves on tube trains one would venture to suggest that the Islamic community is rather more than just "part of the problem".

Agree with you. If the cap fits, etc.

Britain has a very good history of integration with Jews, Sikhs, Buddhists and Hindus. These people form an important part of British society and as you say, none of them have felt inclined to bite the hand held out in welcome. What is it about Islam that makes it so difficult to integrate?

Incidentally, the Muslim Council of Britain is closed to me on the grounds of my religion (or lack thereof). How do I get these organisation proscribed for discriminating against me?

Please don't tell me it is publicly funded... That would make me very cross.

Multi-culturalism failed? Yes, continuously.

The shear influx of millions of migrants into the UK in such a short
period of time has been and continues to be a national disaster. It is wholly unfair on the indigenous populace, who have been partially displaced in their own country.

Migrants are here for these reasons only - to survive, procreate, and consolidate. It's human nature to do so. The authorities ought to have seen this coming, but sadly the previous Labour (treasonous?) Government (and I voted for them ... more fool me!) allowed this mass influx to happen without much restriction.

At the end of the day, migrants have taken many jobs - some 2.5+ million work here, not to mention the benefit culture, which is all being paid by the tax payer - both rich and poor.

I never felt this way about immigration years ago, but I'm afraid my eyes have been opened to the utter abuse of our space and society these peoples have taken for themselves, and indeed for granted.

Well done David Cameron for having the guts to speak the truth!!!

It has only failed when these immigrates take advange of our "softly softly" approach to our way of life. Most Muslims want to live in peace. A minority rant and rave about bring Britain into the Islam way of life. It is these people who spoil it for those who just want a quite life. What really angers me is that Muslims do nothing about their extreme brothers. Nothing ! Yet they moan to the Goverment about any unfairness which affects their every day life.

DM must take a stand on any extremist groups. Any group who attacks our way of life should be charged with treason and sent back home or gain a prison sentence if they were born here.

There you go BBC, after decades of shoveling Multiculturalism down our throats what are you going to do? The BBC was forever proclaiming that Britain was a Multicultural society. No we know this is a lie. The BBC is just the propoganda wing of the Labour Party, and you have now been caught promoting it's failed policy. You claim to be impartial, yet you promote the Lie of Multiculturalism. Now how is the BBC going to compensate the Licence Fee Payer, because you extorted money from them and used it to promote the Big Lie.

Angela Merkel said a similar thing about German society just a few months ago.

https://bbc.kongjiang.org/www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11559451

Who will be next on the bandwagon, Sarkozy?

Successive Governments have allowed this multiculturalism ( ! THEY ARE NOW CALLING IT AN EXPERIMENT !) How can they have been so stupid and not listened to the people who elected them over the years. Were they blind to the ghettos being set up throughout the country. They continually brought in new laws to protect minorities, when British/English common law was more than adequate.
I would like to be a fly on the wall when they try to rectify the sorry situation this once fair country is in under the legistlation they and the EU are responcible for, whilst 'of course' keeping within their new laws on ''Human Rights etc''.

A stronger national identity is simply promoting another brand of extremism. I have a suspicion Cameron is taking the Nazi german route, great British pride, Muslim scapegoat(along with other ethic minorities of course). "We have even tolerated these segregated communities behaving in ways that run counter to our values" - Yeeps that doesn't sound good.

Worse, reading the small(so far) number of comments seems rather worrying. Perhaps it is because I personally have no loyalty to any nation in particular and rank people and nation based on ability and potential use but I was always under the impression that we judge people based on the individual and express tolerance to everything that is not over the top.

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"Let's properly judge these organisations: Do they believe in universal human rights - including for women and people of other faiths? Do they believe in equality of all before the law? Do they believe in democracy and the right of people to elect their own government? Do they encourage integration or separatism?

"These are the sorts of questions we need to ask. Fail these tests and the presumption should be not to engage with organisations," he added
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This sounds like quite the polarising idea there Dave, let's all throw all these groups into the same box regardless as to whether they are communist or wife-beaters or simply misanthropic.

At Last!

Multiculturalism DOESN'T work. It never has done. It is divisive and I hope the government will apologise to the Headmaster, Ray Honeyford, ousted for his views.

Honeyford was pilloried in the Eighties and driven out of his job after an article in a Right-wing journal spelling out the ethnic problems of Bradford schools as he saw them.

I have nothing against anyone, Islamist, Jew, Irish ... whaterver BUT they must be British first ... we are, after all, an amalgam of allcomers but all these people must respect and conform to our customs.

Yes Yes Yes!!! This is *exactly* the speech thats been needed for years!

Its interesting the Muslim council of Britain, have chosed to whinge & whine rather than look at their own behaviour. Their silence has been deafening on so many different issues when they could have shown they're a grown up organisation by tackling the bad behaviour within their community.

Lets hope this leads to action however, and is not just warm fuzzy words.

Like everything else that Blair and Brown did in their 13 years running Britain into the ground, multiculturalism has not only failed, it has been an utter disaster. And, as was always the case with them they would never listen to the voices of reason or the opinions of anybody else. Those who begged to differ were branded as racists, bigots, out of touch and reactionary. Well, the results of their conniving, hidden agendas,self interest and total disregard for the wishes of the British people are plain for all to see. Sadly Britain is forever changed for the worse. The clock cannot be turned back.

There are people who have entered and lived in this country for 30 years and who still can't speak english. The availabity of multi translation services has prevented cultural integration. We have cultural secular ghettoes spread throughout every city in the UK. It is not the british residents who are racist and separists it is the incomers refusal to bend and integrate.

Of course it has failed. The British are naturally a tolerant and easy-going race but the time has come to say enough is enough! We pander to all and sundry and as a result have lost our sense of belonging and heritage. Lets us welcome people who genuinely wish to work and make a contribution to British life, but to allow people to come here and continue as if in their own countries is utterly wrong.

We must insist that immigrants wishing to live in this country be able to converse in English, are prepared to work and not expect the State to keep them, to integrate with the indiginous population and adopt the British way of life (and dress accordingly). If they are not prepared to do this, they should not be allowed in.

Cameron is sharp eh? Most people could have told him that when the country was under the jackboot of the NewLieMore Junta! Oh yes...we did & lo & behold, our glorious lords 'n' masters pooh pooh'd the unwashed masses!

NOW that he sees some political mileage in jumping on the bandwagon...Cameron wakes up!

Pity, he won't do a damn thing about it ...NewLieMore's HRA has seen to that - all the scum of the earth allowed in, kill, rape, bomb, rant religious bigotry & somehow these same scum cannot be deported as it will infringe their human rights!

Well, I hope when those in the legal profession who effectively protect these animals are on the receiving end of their activities, a little more realism will sink into their thick skulls! I won't be holding my breath!

16. At 11:05am on 05 Feb 2011, frankiecrisp wrote:

You only have to go to an England Pakistan cricket match to see its failed, young men of asian desent born in this country supporting Pakistan against their own country. My father was Italian but I was born in England and would never think of supporting Italy against my own country.

I see that you are a big fan of Norman Tebbit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricket_test

The british are tolerant of most things but a line has to be drawn. When i was a driving instructor i had an asian woman as a pupil. She had two small children. She told me that her husband used to beat her regularly and this was accepted within her community as she was seen as being owned by her husband. Eventually she got a divorce and as a consequence she was shunned by her community. This is the unacceptable face of immigration. We are secular and our laws are based on the rights of the individual and not on religious dogma. Get rid of sharia law, honour killings and the ownership of women then we might be able to make progress. Until these basic inconsistancies are removed we will never make progress.

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My wife Indian born parents and i have a beautiful anglo-indian 1.5 year old girl, I am quite happy to live with people of different background but ramming it down peoples throat like labour has done is wrong and will never work,

Multi-culturalsim really meant to the left was the English should change and be accommodating but immigrants should keep their language and culture, which has been proven be how many languages the NHS have to translate.

There is something this wrong with multi-culturalism if a UK born national of foreign grandparents goes off to fight against his own country he born in, personally i think they should be charged with treason if they do.

Of course it has failed. What disgusts me even more is that despite protestations from millions of people, ALL these liberal/left wing policies have failed. Soft on crime, villification of the police, destruction of British culture, unfounded experimentation with education, meaningless quangos, poisonous equality legislation, pointless human rights etc etc. The lunatics have taken over the asylum - thank goodness someoine in power has the courage, albeit very late, to speak for the silent, oppressed, excessively tolerant many. More of the same please.

33. At 11:17am on 05 Feb 2011, Le Brigate PeeCee wrote:

3. At 10:54am on 05 Feb 2011, Brian wrote:
So Mr Powell was right all along...well well, how surprising is that ?

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Why, what did he say? Because I suspect you just think you know what he said, whereas you actually don't

Here is a link to the full text of his speech.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3643823/Enoch-Powells-Rivers-of-Blood-speech.html

29. At 11:16am on 05 Feb 2011, The Londoner wrote:
This is a good response, it is just a pity that there are not more who feel the same way and are willing to accept, instead of sneering at, our society.
The big issue is going to be the Sharia Law one. Having seen the Sharia justice system with regards punishments of flogging, stoning, I can only assume that those who practice it are mis-guided to say the least.
If you come to UK you must accept.

22. At 11:10am on 05 Feb 2011, Bill wrote:
, sick and tired of arrogant americans wrote:
Cue the comments from the racist right wingers claiming multiculturalism has failed and that the UK should be a 'white only' zone.

Speaking as a British Asian who was born in this country, I say that multiculturalism works if immigrants are willing to put the effort into learning the language and ways of this country and fitting in well. It also benefits domestic folks in that it helps broaden their minds and gives the country more options in certain things (eg food etc). But lately I've been noticing a rise in right wing racist tendencies and it's got me worried.

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Here we go again! Anyone who dares to complain about this is labelled "racist"

When were the British people ever asked whether they wanted mass immigration?

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Bill? Isn't that short for William...a French name? When do you plan to leave?

If you don't like westerners don't come and live in the west.

In response to the speech, the usual ritual expressions of "offence" are already coming from the "community leaders".

It can't be long before they trot out the usual denigrations and accusations of "demonising an entire community".

As reported by the BBC, "...the Muslim Council of Britain said its community was being seen as part of the problem rather than the solution".

Perhaps they might like to re-read the exhortations set out in the Qur'an, Sunnah and Hadiths and then reflect on that assertion and the "source" of the "problem".

Good lord, Mr Cameron has finally said something that I completely agree with. How very unsurprising that the 'Muslim Council of Great Britain' has got all defensive about the speech.

Let's hope that our illustrious leader doesn't cave in and apologise for speaking the truth for once!

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Some Muslims are being radicalised nothing other than what is happening in Palistine. British and American goverment have been supporting terrorism, rape, murder and shooting of children throwing stones to which Muslims all around the world have been seeing since the 60's. This is the reason why Muslims are angry and frustrated. if American stop supplying the guns and Britian stopped supplying the bullets so the above mentioned is not carried out. hence finanical support to building on palistine land there would be no need for Muslims particularly in Britian to feel angry. remember before 9/11 over 400 children were shot for throwing stones. what other country does that happen. it is also stated 9/11 was allowed to happen because of the American economy.

From what I Can see he's saying everyone has to adopt the "culture" of the South East of England or have sanctions imposed. The West of England, Wales, Northern England, The Midlands, Scotland and Northern Ireland are not and never have been part of the "culture" he defines.

The central issue is real human rights.

How can you back any group which alienates itself or puts its own rights or culture above those of everyone else.

Live and let live, absolutely, find out about other cultures, absolutely, enjoy the differences, absolutely. If those cultural differences include the subjugation of women, respect for the stoning of abuse victims and other matters which we find abhorrent, then I'm afraid I won't be giving respect to those beliefs or cultures.

Its just good old fashioned common sense really.

It failed a long time ago and still is failing, it has also cost an enormous amount of money to prop it up and made many people trapped in an alien culture they didn’t want to be in very unhappy, also made many citizens feel as though they were wrong to object as hundreds of years of our own culture was swept aside due to the multiculturalism dogma spred by NuLabour

8. At 10:57am on 05 Feb 2011, Stephanni Snape wrote:

We do tend to have over strong stereotypes. I know I'm not alone in blaming the rigid national curriculum for our narrow thinking, combined with possibly the most tabloids of any country.
we have a whole list of areas where we seem the most repressive and restrictivein Europe, (foreigners joke about our attitudes to sex and nudity, but it goes far beyond that).
Eg. A recent survey show UK was by far the most worried about immigration, although half the countries surveyed had more immigrants than we do.
The British Muslim council frequently condemns acts of terrorism and many Muslims feel the same way about these things as anyone else. Just as most Christians/Catholics felt the same about IRA bombings as anyone else.
But I do agree we don't do enough to integrate immigrants, especially Muslims, and isolate the fundamentalists, maybe France tries harder.

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There is a big difference between, "The British Muslim council frequently condemns acts of terrorism" and actually doing something about it.

Fatuous expressions of "not in my name" does not constitute "doing something".

9. At 10:57am on 05 Feb 2011, sick and tired of arrogant americans wrote:
Cue the comments from the racist right wingers claiming multiculturalism has failed and that the UK should be a 'white only' zone.

Cue the screams of 'racist' from people as soon as anyone mentions immigration etc, who employ this tactic to shout down anyone who says something they don't happen to agree with.

Cameron is deeply unpopular at home where he protects the thieving policies of the Banks, and the Rich and like a vindictive rat attacks the poor and vulnerable. That is enough to demonstrate his low moral values.

However he may have a point on this issue. Its not multiculturalism its extremists within it. Yet Cameron is a Capitalist extremist so how can he talk about extremists?

Islam though is far to intolerant you only need to witness the disgusting racism within that faith and attacks on non muslims in native muslim countries.

Multiculturism - can we all get along and live hunky dory lives side by side.Its a difficult one to answer.The problem is most of these people who have settled in the uk dont seem to want to adopt any of our cultures.We let them have all the benefits and yet we get factions who plot to murder us and the others dont denounce it.Human right legislation favours the real hard line anti British muslims and so we have to put up with it.We would never have the same freedom in middle eastern countries.We cant change things now and recession usually stokes up the hatrid between us.Maybe it will end in rivers of blood and Enoch Powell will be proved right.I hope not but muslims and other cultures must try harder if they do want it to work.

How can a society with inalienable ( fixed by the Koran) alien values be part of a free-thinking and tolerant society such as ours that has evolved over many centuries? The Muslim communities take advantage of our tolerance.
It is time for us to set requirements for UK citizenship and take action against those who do not comply.

Extract from Statement by Australian PM. Question:If a British PM said this, would it be racist?
Quote: IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT.. Take It Or Leave It.

I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.'

'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'


'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!'


'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

'This is, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all of this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'

'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'

Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves in the UK, Canada & USA , we will find the courage to start speaking and voicing the same truths.

"Multiculturalism" was a gimmick to cover up the mass immigration required to shore up property prices to stave off financial meltdown.

So yes in that respect it has worked because property prices are still artificially inflated.

But it has come at a very high price to the British population (mass unemployment) and,I suspect, to those immigrants who were persuaded to come here.

There will be bloodshed when the markets finally correct.

I don't think multiculturalism has failed. Cultures have been mixing and influencing each other for thousands of years. It is not a question of failed or succeeded, it is more a question of how the situation is perceived and managed.

Traditional British culture? Tradition changes continuously, those that we value are retained, while those that we no longer value are discarded.

Some people look for the simplest solutions. Its always easiest to blame those different to ourselves.

Posters asking "when did the indigenous populace ask for mass immigration?".
Let me ask you this, when was the British populace asked if it wanted to bailout the banks? Or go to war in Iraq? Or about any number of actions the government has taken on our behalf?

Your voice only matters once every 4 years. Otherwise the country will be run for the interest of a small minority.

Instead of demonising immigrants I suggest you do a bit of soul searching. What aspect of culture are you actually trying to preserve? Mindless consumerism is the dominant western culture at this time, is it something worth protecting? Freedom, democracy, these are just words unless the populace understands and strives for them.

In this country a significant proportion of the electorate never vote. They see no point. When disillusionment is so widespread is it any surprise that a lot of people embrace greed and hedonism?

Culture is not static, it evolves with humanity. The world is not the same place today as it was last year, looking back for thew ideal culture is pointless. It never existed apart from in the minds of individuals.

To not embrace other cultures is crazy as it is natural evolution but the argument is how much do you do that when the 'other' culture becomes invasive and how much the other culture is prepared to embrace yours?
And what is the additive value of that cultural injection? Most people in the Uk have been open minded and welcoming but as we now appear to be the only country in the free world who is so tolerant it is time for a rethink. Especially as - lets face it - we have big problems and multiculturalism has caused a few. And not brought such great benefits.
What is multiculturalism - the injection of lots of largely unskilled people? Lets also face it multiculturalism in the UK is an urban thing and is too concentrated. And we can see non-urban places in the Uk where life is better because multiculturalism has not had such an effect. So the evidence is there.

How about the ‘Christian’ West’s treatment of the Islamic world over the last eight centuries?

More particularly we could examine Britain's involvement in India/Pakistan (pre-1947) and Britain and the US in the Middle East over the last two centuries. Both counties have an abysmal record. For example, look at Egypt today and what the US has achieved by supporting Mubarak’s brutal repressive dictatorship.

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You make a valid point in referring to Christian fundamentalism, particularly in the US, and its blind support for Israel and Zionism, which has resulted in savage repression and dispossession of the Palestinian people.

Whose picture do you see at the top of the Conservatives Friends of Israel website? (at 11.52 am today).

https://www2.cfoi.co.uk/

‘Does the UK need a stronger national identity?’

Echoes here of Gordon Brown - more Union Flags flying from public buildings, more vague ‘British culture’ pushed into the national curriculum.

Perhaps it might be more appropriate for our children and young people to be taught more of Britain’s woeful imperial history and its consequences for the contemporary world.

An apology from Mr Cameron for all the injustices perpetrated by the British State, particularly in the Middle East, might be a good beginning, before launching he launches into sound bites about multiculturalism?

Maybe we should knock down all Churches as they represent a foreign cultural import from the middle east. You can't find a Pagan festival for love nor money these days.

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We have a problem with "British culture" never mind anything else - Cameron et al are hardly the norm are they?
Still, the empire comes home to roost.

When we are ordered to remove our crucifix's, George flags, Christmas decorations, told to call Christmas something else, told to stop singing traditional nursery rhymes, while being confronted with flag burning, poppy burning, insulting placard waving demonstrators, who incidentally are welcome to wear/display their symbols of faith/religion anytime anyplace they choose. Then yes, not only multiculturalism has failed but also the people in power who are supposed to back this so called Britishness have failed also.

David Cameron has completely missed the point but is nonetheless right, but for all the wrong reasons.

Consider the following statements he's made:

"Let's properly judge these organisations: Do they believe in universal human rights - including for women and people of other faiths? Do they believe in equality of all before the law? Do they believe in democracy and the right of people to elect their own government? Do they encourage integration or separatism?

"These are the sorts of questions we need to ask. Fail these tests and the presumption should be not to engage with organisations," he added.

Well let's be clear. Both the CofE and the RC Church actively oppose 'equality for all before the law'. The RC Church insists on it having the legal right to discriminate against homosexuals - a law it uses. And the CofE insists that Anglicans (and Christians generally) should have a legal right to discriminate against non-Christians (and especially atheists) when it comes to school admissions. Both also insist that ALL taxpayers should pay for faith schools, even though the vast majority are not actively religious.

So I agree with David Cameron. These organisations should not receive public money to promote their discriminatory faiths. They should not be given privileged seats in the House of Lords (CofE) so that they can further inflict discrimination by influencing the law. And they should not be given unchallenged advertising slots on the Today programme (Thought For The Day).

The point that DC completely misses is that people will only support a nation if it promotes values of equality and integrity. And the UK doesn't. Ok, it's better than many, but it actively discriminates against Catholics (who can't be king or queen) and non-believers (see above, and in a whole raft of other ways). So, DC, enough of the nationalistic rhetoric, put your own house in order by applying your stated principles to ALL before pointing out the failings of particular minorities. Only then will your arguments have any credibility.

So Cameron is so bereft of ideas and initiatives he has to pick up statements from Angela Merkel and attempt to pander to disillusioned BNP members? Pathetic.

So, politicians are slowly catching up with the rest of us, they are now only 25 years behind.
Massively increase any ingredient in a recipe and it doesn't work anymore, it tastes bad.
Does the recipe in Luton, Leicester, Bradford etc etc work for you ?

Multiculturalism was killed off when the volumes of immigration were no longer controlled.
25 years of mass immigration, whilst various goverments sat and watched, not daring to say non PC things caused it all.

What next?
Politicians will start learning to count ?

Take the housing shortage, the unemployment benefits costs,
all other benefits costs and the levels of immigration
over the last 25 years and do your own sums.

Being ridiculously PC doesn't balance the books.

Its about as sensible as selling off your major national assets to overseas interests.
( gas, water, electricity, forests etc etc )

Cameron is virulently attacking the poor, ordinary working people, minorities and public services while defending the interest of the bankers and ultra rich. He makes the Thatcher administration look left-wing.

53. At 11:31am on 05 Feb 2011, Magi Tatcher wrote:
16. At 11:05am on 05 Feb 2011, frankiecrisp wrote:

You only have to go to an England Pakistan cricket match to see its failed, young men of asian desent born in this country supporting Pakistan against their own country. My father was Italian but I was born in England and would never think of supporting Italy against my own country.

I see that you are a big fan of Norman Tebbit.


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I remember Tebbits comments. You only have to look at the response of uk born asians to cricketers of asian desent who play for England they get terrible abuse from other asians for playing for the country of their birth

As reported by the BBC:

In the speech in Munich, Mr Cameron drew a clear distinction between "Islam the religion" and what he described as "Islamist extremism" - a political ideology he said attracted people who feel "rootless" within their own countries.

We need to be clear: Islamist extremism and Islam are not the same thing," he said.

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It would be very interesting to see the precise distinctions between the texts and tenets of Islam (with their numerous exhortations to violent actions in pursuit of the so-called "religious" ideals) and "Islamist extremism" (which uses exactly the same texts and tenets of Islam to "inspire" and "justify" its actions).

Such clarity would be most welcome in respect of the UK situation.

David Cameron might find it difficult to insert "the world's thinnest piece of paper" into the gap between "Islam the religion" and "Islamist extremism".

Politicians might also like to analyse the texts and tenets of Islam for themselves and see how the oft-quoted claim that "Islam is a 'Religion of Peace'" stand up to srutiny.

MR . TRUCULENT SAYS.

When the spending cuts start to bite in the winter of 2011/12.
The trouble will start as inner city poverty riots. These will then turn into full blowen racial riots.
Doing the opposite to Mrs. Thatcher, by reducing the number of police officers, the coalision will may have to bring troups in if the trouble esculates to most majour cities. It will be like Northern Ireland in the 1970s
I hope the coalition has thought this one out!!!!
Another election wont help ,because I do not think it will end in a majority government.
The only other senario is extreme right wing, left wing,and racial leaders pouring peterol on a burning situation.and BANG to multiculturalisim.

E&OE MR. TRUCULENT.

It has failed completely. Unless this country puts a complete stop to all immigration from the EU and the rest of the world and starts addressing the problem caused by the last 14 years or so of unfettered immigration and our inability to deport people due to the human rights act it will be impossible to sort this out.
The time has come to bring some discipline to our society and stop appeasing people who refuse to comply with the UK culture. To start with we should allow no more translation services unless the person requiring it pays for it. Anyone deliberately not comply with UK laws and rules should be deported.

"75. At 11:50am on 05 Feb 2011, John"

hmmm....If you think Australia needs to reverse multiculturalism then perhaps you'll need to rewind the clock back a few hundred years and bring back all the people we sent over there. Same goes for the US, Canada, South Africa, New Zealand.

Know your history before you form an opinion.

Multiculturalism = Epic Fail!

Democracy, freedom of speech, freedom of thought, liberty, justice, equality, enlightenment, civilisation itself and a reason for living are all abhorrent to some the people we share our country with. One culture/religion/cult in particular springs to mind, and we all know which one that is!

Our youngest son married a japanese girl and lives in Japan. He respects and abides by their laws. He speaks fluent japanese. He doesn`t ask for peferential treatment. He loves japanese culture and is all too ready to intigrate into such a lifestyle. He told me "If i`m to live in Japan the least i can do is show a willingness and enthusiasm to integrate. It`s just common decency". Needless to say he makes me proud to be his father.

Well, it's about time! I'm really pleased to see a senior politician put his head above the parapet and say what most people have been saying for years.

If you live in Britain and have chosen to make your life here then first and foremost you're British. Whatever your colour, whatever your beliefs....you're British.

Multiculturalism creates division and division creates conflict. Do away with the division, do away with 'Faith' schools, provide Government and Council information in English only, stop describing people by their colour, stop asking people their ethnicity on official forms; just have one box to tick....British.

It's a long road back and it'll take a very long time to change things around, but I think Cameron has at least taken the first step. Well done, that man.

What Britain has lost is family ties.

Most British families do not integrate with themselves let alone others.

When was your last family get together, parents, grandparents, uncles and aunts, I bet the last funeral or wedding.

We are unable to tolerate each other let alone people from other countries.

What infuriates me is the imported crime and illegal workers in this country, not the legitimate immigrants.

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I don't know about multi-culturalism but try taking a No 468 bus through south London to Croydon, any day between 11am and 4pm- particularly upstairs. You'll be lucky to see another white person. If you do they are probably eastern European. My neigbour's grandson is one of just two English pupils in his class in a school just down the road.

That's not multi-culturalism, it's 'taken over' in my language!

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I think Mr Cameron is saying what a lot of people have been afraid to say because the minute they do they get accused of being a right wing racist. However Mr Cameron needs to stress that when he says :

"Let's properly judge these organisations: Do they believe in universal human rights - including for women and people of other faiths? Do they believe in equality of all before the law? Do they believe in democracy and the right of people to elect their own government? Do they encourage integration or separatism?"

He means organisations run by ALL faiths and not just Muslims. He needs to take a very close look at the relationship between his own Minister for Culture Ed Vaizey and Safermedia/MediaMatch who seem to want to impose their "Christian Values" on all UK citizens when it comes to their views on pornography and violence. Hardly the "liberal" society standpoint he seems to be talking about.